578hp and 530 torque for new 2011 M5...

[ChinoOrtega]

So it puts it right next to the new RS6 and above the E63, based on this, the new m3 would be 460-480hp, just like footie said, it will be a beast,

complete news
http://www.motorauthority.com/blog/1...or-2011-bmw-m5

[chungdae]

Stunning.

[bobbyd1961]

i love my M3. i would keep my 2009 m3 and would love to add 2011 M5

[Pete The Greek]

Nice, this is definitely something to consider when it's time to get a new car

[MVF4Rrider]

Originally Posted by footie

Now how would someone claim by many as anti-BMW and a troll know all this stuff.

It wasn't much of a stretch to believe BMW wouldn't place the X5M/X6M motor in the new M5/M6. That was an economical decision as much as anything else. It's more than reasonable to think BMW designed the new M5 and X5M/X6M with that motor in mind. The body configuration alone would force a unique exhaust system so power output will differ slightly. But undoubtedly BMW would want to boost power a bit as well for marketing as much as anything else. But with the additional power comes gearing choices which tame the end result. Power to weight is important too and it's not a stretch to guess that it will be very close in weight to the E60 M5 even with the additional effort to use lighter weight materials here and there. I really don't understand how BMW keeps making thirsty high power cars in this economy. The price of this car will be out of touch with most consumers. However the beauty of depreciating assets is in 3 years you can buy a barely used one for half price, just as you can now.

[-=Hot|Ice=-]

I can't wait for the the M5. Even though BMW has gone the FI route, I still think it'll be a great all around car and will hopefully take care of the nav annoyances.

[GnokGnik]

I guess its time to sell my 335i and my c2s.

FI M3 and FI M5 FTMFW

[mkoesel]

As already seen on bimmerpost front page:

http://f10.5post.com/forums/showthread.php?t=338680

Very nice looking car. These artist renderings sort of reminds me of the E92 M3, even, which is cool for a sedan. Hope that it actually looks like this when they release it.

[footie]

You can expect a better handing car than the last M5, the adoption of wishbones at the front will benefit it in so many ways. It will be a very attractive car which will look a bit more aggressive than the E90, which is a good thing in my eye.

[MVF4Rrider]

Footie,

There's nothing coming out of the M factory these days I'm remotely interested in so feel free to pass on whatever you wish. You actually do a better job with that than discussing anything technical. Besides, I'm well informed of BMW happenings. I just lived in Germany the past 5 years and have many contacts within BMW.

Motoring is mostly about passion and I'm not passionate about the current direction of BMW no matter the spec sheets. I've bought my last new BMW (have owned 8 in all starting with a 1976 2002). Low-end torque bias turbo motors are not for me, nor is a luxury and feature bias.

[-=Hot|Ice=-]

Originally Posted by MVF4Rrider

Footie,

There's nothing coming out of the M factory these days I'm remotely interested in so feel free to pass on whatever you wish. You actually do a better job with that than discussing anything technical. Besides, I'm well informed of BMW happenings. I just lived in Germany the past 5 years and have many contacts within BMW.

Motoring is mostly about passion and I'm not passionate about the current direction of BMW no matter the spec sheets. I've bought my last new BMW (have owned 8 in all starting with a 1976 2002). Low-end torque bias turbo motors are not for me, nor is a luxury and feature bias.

Not too late to buy and M3 coupe.

[MVF4Rrider]

Originally Posted by -=Hot|Ice=-

Not too late to buy and M3 coupe.

I don't get excited when I look at it. It's too freakin' big and it has a luxury bias as well. Much prefer the E30 and E46 M3s when it comes to driving enjoyment. I like feeling connected to the car. Very capable car of course and I do respect its performance. Truthfully the motor is the only reason to have one. But I'd rather have that engine in a E46 M3 a la M3 GTR.

[ChinoOrtega]

So what can we expect from the FI M3??? since it's been 100hp less, and probably the same engine minus the 2 cylinders, what do you guys think?

[MVF4Rrider]

Originally Posted by ChinoOrtega

So what can we expect from the FI M3???

The end of 23 years of M3 racing heritage.

[gr8000]

It is amasing how BMW choses to continue adding up more and more musle instead of devoting more resources in weight reduction solutions instead. I know the article mentions nothing about weight, but looking at 0-100 acceleration times, I bet this is going to be another heavy luxury car...

[MVF4Rrider]

Originally Posted by GnokGnik

How can you not appreciate a better handling, 580hp/530lbft M5 that looks gorgeous and is dripping with luxury.

Never said I didn't appreciate it. It's just not my idea of a M car, but I understand BMW has no choice in order to sell cars in that very small segment. Am I required to like it?

BTW, better handling than what? Certaining not my Z4 M Coupe. As far as luxury cars, I do like the previous generation 7 series and they can be had these days for around $40K. With a car that big, being a M makes no sense unless you live in Europe.

[e46e92love]

I'm sure it will be an intoxicating, blood curdling, toe curling 5800 rpm, provide the thrill and excitement that //M has always produced. Those high revving low torque engines are for pu**ies. What I want is a low revving torque monster and completely unbalanced and unimaginable, so that I can smoke my tires, and look cool to my friends and strangers alike. In fact, just so that everyone knows my car is better, I will post the horsepower and torque numbers on the rear windshield.

Who wants a crappy 911 Carrera S, what a slow piece of crap--- doesn't even hit the 400hp mark.

GO //M!

Cheers,
e46e92

[330CIZHP]

Originally Posted by MVF4Rrider

The end of 23 years of M3 racing heritage.

Agreed. Very disappointing. Let's see here are the figures:

- A heavy porker tank weighing no less than 4600 lbs
- Low-revving (max. 7000 rpm), low-compression, slow piston speeds turbocharged engine
- No significant engine/exhaust sound to entertain all of driver's senses.

Welcome to completely a new era of "compromised" steroid-fed big performance cars rather than home-grown, natural, athele performance cars.

Let me make this clear, it is all about producing cheaper engines.

[330CIZHP]

Originally Posted by e46e92love

I'm sure it will be an intoxicating, blood curdling, toe curling 5800 rpm, provide the thrill and excitement that //M has always produced. Those high revving low torque engines are for pu**ies. What I want is a low revving torque monster and completely unbalanced and unimaginable, so that I can smoke my tires, and look cool to my friends and strangers alike. In fact, just so that everyone knows my car is better, I will post the horsepower and torque numbers on the rear windshield.

Who wants a crappy 911 Carrera S, what a slow piece of crap--- doesn't even hit the 400hp.

GO //M

Cheers,
e46e92

God I love this post! So true

[mtla4]

I've been looking for the right time to trade in my 135 for an M3(since 2008). Let's face it the new F/I ///M are downers. My non-M F/I 135I sounds like a vaccum cleaner has gobs of torque(boring+takes no skills to drive). I couldn't care less about fuel economy if I'm driving an ///M car. I regret my decision of not buying an E46 M3 when I got this car. It might be slower but you can really feel that is a special car. I thank the tree huggers and status symbol seekers which complained about the lack of torque for killing all the fun cars. Gone are the M3, S4, S2000,NSX,The whole Acura Lineup,etc . I guess I'll have to start looking at the mustang and other american cars. My arm is up and I'm getting ready to throw the towel in term of new cars. I might just get the bloated(a tad too big for my taste) E90 M3 sedan make it a keeper and drive an hybrid or those 3 cylinder engine cars as a daily. Everytime I see an RS4/M3/M5... I just shut the radio roll down my window and listen to the exhaust note. Try doing that with the new M(X5-X6). My friend old 4.8IS sounds like a beast compared to it.

[CATCH_M3]

I just hope this M5 will beat the CTS-V around the ring by at least 5 seconds. Better than a 7:55 time. BMW used to dominate in the sport sedan segment but now the competition has caught up. Before we were able to say that our cars were better engineered and more balanced; however I would say that the new generation of American sports cars like the Corvette & CTS-V are actually quite well balanced. We used to brag about response and HP/Litre and complain that other manufacturers used big displacement & forced induction instead of real engineering in order to make their cars have more torque... However we no longer have that 'excuse' since BMW has now entered the FI game as well. BMW's engine & chassis technology should make the M5 significantly faster than the CTS-V (especially since the CTS-V came out a while ago & at quite a lower price.) Anything less and I will honestly be quite disappointed. Hope the M5 can do it!

[330CIZHP]

I guess, E30 M3 even for 1990 with 215 HP was never an HP monster. It had what truly matters for performance lightweight, good power and an unmatched chassis.

Yes, if BMW is unable to do proper R&D to lighten their cars up using latest technology as apparent from the weights of the cars creeping close to 5000 lbs, I completely agree a steroid-fed cookie cutter torquey turbo engine will do the trick while reducing fuel consumption and controlling emissions that could be used in no less than 3 - 4 M cars.

It is afterall a business so maximum profitability is now BMW's goal as opposed to building the best daily-driven performance cars that BMW used to in the last decade.

Originally Posted by CATCH_M3

I just hope this M5 will beat the CTS-V around the ring by at least 5 seconds. Better than a 7:55 time. BMW used to dominate in the sport sedan segment but now the competition has caught up. Before we were able to say that our cars were better engineered and more balanced; however I would say that the new generation of American sports cars like the Corvette & CTS-V are actually quite well balanced. We used to brag about response and HP/Litre and complain that other manufacturers used big displacement & forced induction instead of real engineering in order to make their cars have more torque... However we no longer have that 'excuse' since BMW has now entered the FI game as well. BMW's engine & chassis technology should make the M5 significantly faster than the CTS-V (especially since the CTS-V came out a while ago & at quite a lower price.) Anything less and I will honestly be quite disappointed. Hope the M5 can do it!