Last year for current M3 = MY2011 ?

[HDB]

Alright lads!

I know its been asked a million times before but after reading the following thread some people seem to think that the last year of production for the current range of M3s will be 2011, with a year long gap before the new range:

http://www.m3post.com/forums/showthr...=332300&page=5

Is this true?

Cheers

[Technic]

Originally Posted by HDB

Alright lads!

I know its been asked a million times before but after reading the following thread some people seem to think that the last year of production for the current range of M3s will be 2011, with a year long gap before the new range:

http://www.m3post.com/forums/showthr...=332300&page=5

Is this true?

Cheers

It will be true when/if BMW says so... so far the regular schedule follows a 5/6-model year run for the Coupe/Convertible, a year less for the Sedan. That could change if BMW cuts the E90 production by a year.

[bobbyz]

My guess is there will be a 2012...it will be the E90/E92 body style where the new F30 3 sedan will be introduced as well in the 2012 model year...then for the 2013 model year there will be no M3, but the new regualr 3 coupe will be introduced...then for the 2014 model year, we will see the new M3. Seems to be the way BMW have done it in the past.

[BimmerBoomer]

No way they're selling an E9x M3 with a new 2012 F30 in the showrooms.

[Pimp Star]

Originally Posted by Jim Pearce

No way they're selling an E9x M3 with a new 2012 F30 in the showrooms.

2006 E90 325i/330i
2006 E46 M3

[Technic]

Originally Posted by Jim Pearce

No way they're selling an E9x M3 with a new 2012 F30 in the showrooms.

1999 E46 Sedan
1999 E36 M3 Coupe/Convertible

[Lemans_Blue_M]

Originally Posted by Technic

1999 E46 Sedan
1999 E36 M3 Coupe/Convertible

1991 E36 Sedan
1991 E30 M3 Coupe

[BimmerBoomer]

New sedans. But if the F30 coupe is available in the fall of 2011 as I expect, the 2011 M3 will be on sale until then.

[aajami]

Originally Posted by Jim Pearce

No way they're selling an E9x M3 with a new 2012 F30 in the showrooms.

Why not? BMW did exactly that for the E36 -> E46 and E46 -> E92 transitions.

[mkoesel]

Originally Posted by bobbyz

My guess is there will be a 2012...it will be the E90/E92 body style where the new F30 3 sedan will be introduced as well in the 2012 model year...

You have to be careful with the "e90/e92" generalization here, i think. The E90 M3 will go away a year before the E92/E93 M3 because the life-cycle for the E90/E91 platform is one year ahead of the E92/E93 platform. I.e. E90/E91 will be in production from MY 2006 to MY 2012 while the E92/E93 will be in production from MY2007 to MY2013.

These are US designations, BTW. This also assumes that things aren't pushed up a year, as I noted in the other thread. I am still skeptical that will happen, but we shall see.

Originally Posted by Jim Pearce

No way they're selling an E9x M3 with a new 2012 F30 in the showrooms.

They will sell the E92/E93 M3 and E92/E93 3 series along side the F30/F31 3 series. This is nearly guaranteed, unless just the F32 coupe is moved up, which seems even more unlikely than the whole F3x timeline being moved up.

I suspect the F30 sedan will come in early 2012 as a 2013, similar to how the E90 sedan came in early 2005 as a 2006. The F31 will then arrive in the fall, and the F32 will arrive a year later, and then the F33 will arrive in the spring following that. M3 comes a year after.

Originally Posted by Jim Pearce

New sedans. But if the F30 coupe is available in the fall of 2011 as I expect, the 2011 M3 will be on sale until then.

coupe = F32, and don't get your hopes up for that timeline.

[MrHarris]

^ I agree 100%

Originally Posted by HDB

Alright lads!

I know its been asked a million times before but after reading the following thread some people seem to think that the last year of production for the current range of M3s will be 2011, with a year long gap before the new range:

http://www.m3post.com/forums/showthr...=332300&page=5

Is this true?

Cheers

BMW product life cycle for the 3 series is always 7 years

[UltimateBMW]

In addition to the 7 year model run. each version of the new chassis will be released in 1 year increments in the following order. Sedan, Coupe, M. Where the M3 will be in production until the release of the new coupe, leaving the final model year for the M3 as 2012.

[mkoesel]

Originally Posted by UltimateBMW

In addition to the 7 year model run. each version of the new chassis will be released in 1 year increments in the following order. Sedan, Coupe, M. Where the M3 will be in production until the release of the new coupe, leaving the final model year for the M3 as 2012.

Can't agree. e92/e93 debuted for MY2007. Seven model years puts the final E92/E93 M3 and 3 series at MY2013. Now, the E90(/E91) M3 and 3 series will end after MY2012, yes. Of course, as I said earlier, this is tentative due to suggestions that the the F3x timeline has been moved ahead a year. However, I wouldn't count on that until there is some firm confirmation beyond the current rumor/speculation.

[UltimateBMW]

Originally Posted by mkoesel

Can't agree. e92/e93 debuted for MY2007. Seven model years puts the final E92/E93 M3 and 3 series at MY2013. Now, the E90(/E91) M3 and 3 series will end after MY2012, yes. Of course, as I said earlier, this is tentative due to suggestions that the the F3x timeline has been moved ahead a year. However, I wouldn't count on that until there is some firm confirmation beyond the current rumor/speculation.

I think you might be mistaken a bit by the years.

If the F30 sedan comes in 2012, the F32 in 2013, and the F3X M3's in 2014. Then 2013 is the 1 year break before the MY2014 M3's hit the floor. Since there will not be a 2013 M3, how would 2012 not be the last model year of product for the E9X series.

The generic 3 series lasts 7 years, the M3 is only available for 6 of those 7. Leaving that extra year out for development. (Reference the E46 M3, 2001-2006.)

Edit: Although, looking back at the timeline for the e90 3 series. The e90 Sedan began in March 2005. The time until the M3 came out (2008) seems to have been delayed by an extra year, so perhaps this will mean this time around we won't have the gap year between M3's. However, If the gap year still occurs, and we also have a 2013 M3, then that means that there will be a 2 year gap between the launch of the F30 sedan and the first F3X M3. Meaning the estimated 2014 M3 isn't accurate. Basically, its up to whatever BMW wants to do and not really predictable.

[mkoesel]

Originally Posted by UltimateBMW

I think you might be mistaken a bit by the years.

Could be, but I am not seeing it.

If the F30 sedan comes in 2012...

Then it will be a MY2013. Even if it comes early 2012. You can at least agree with that, right? This would be identical to how the E90 sedan came in early 2005 as an MY2006.

Now, will it come in 2012? Yes, quite likely. Could it come early, in 2011 as an MY2012 for example? Yes, that's possible too. But that would mean cutting the E90 one model year short (MY2006-MY2011 is 6 model years). And as I've said a couple times, that has by no means been confirmed to happen. People are merely speculating that it will happen.

[AMMZING]

I think this means that i really have to pick up a new M3 next summer..i dont wanna wait another year (till 2011) itself, what with production stopping and stuff. When will the 2012 models come out?, since the 2011's are coming early this time.

[HDB]

I think this means that i really have to pick up a new M3 next summer..i dont wanna wait another year (till 2011) itself, what with production stopping and stuff. When will the 2012 models come out?, since the 2011's are coming early this time.

Im thinking the same thing. Thats my next question - when will the 2012 model year come out - may 2011? - and then thats the last year for the current range of M3s?

[mkoesel]

Originally Posted by AMMZING

I think this means that i really have to pick up a new M3 next summer..i dont wanna wait another year (till 2011) itself, what with production stopping and stuff.

Buy the car next summer because you want it and you can. Don't hinge anything on this thread, since its all speculation.

When will the 2012 models come out?, since the 2011's are coming early this time.

Very likely that they will come out in September 2011 as MY2012 models typically would. The 2011 model year will thus be a long one (March 2010 to September 2011).

[southlight]

Originally Posted by mkoesel

Can't agree. e92/e93 debuted for MY2007. Seven model years puts the final E92/E93 M3 and 3 series at MY2013. Now, the E90(/E91) M3 and 3 series will end after MY2012, yes. Of course, as I said earlier, this is tentative due to suggestions that the the F3x timeline has been moved ahead a year. However, I wouldn't count on that until there is some firm confirmation beyond the current rumor/speculation.

Originally Posted by UltimateBMW

I think you might be mistaken a bit by the years.

If the F30 sedan comes in 2012, the F32 in 2013, and the F3X M3's in 2014. Then 2013 is the 1 year break before the MY2014 M3's hit the floor. Since there will not be a 2013 M3, how would 2012 not be the last model year of product for the E9X series.

The generic 3 series lasts 7 years, the M3 is only available for 6 of those 7. Leaving that extra year out for development. (Reference the E46 M3, 2001-2006.)

Edit: Although, looking back at the timeline for the e90 3 series. The e90 Sedan began in March 2005. The time until the M3 came out (2008) seems to have been delayed by an extra year, so perhaps this will mean this time around we won't have the gap year between M3's. However, If the gap year still occurs, and we also have a 2013 M3, then that means that there will be a 2 year gap between the launch of the F30 sedan and the first F3X M3. Meaning the estimated 2014 M3 isn't accurate. Basically, its up to whatever BMW wants to do and not really predictable.

You guys are confusing me, years, model years etc...

Assuming the F3x has not been moved ahead a year, the F30 sedan will debut in Spring 2012, the F31 touring in Fall 2012. This leaves Spring or Fall 2013 for the F32 coupe and Spring 2014 for the F33 convertible.

The production of the related M models end with the production of the core model, i.e. the E90 M3 will end around Dec 2011 (around three months before the F30 will be launched) and the E92 M3 around June 2013 (assuming a Fall 2013 launch for the F32 coupe).

UltimateBMW is likely to be right about the new F32 M3 coming out in Fall 2014 (Europe), but that would be an MY 2015.


Best regards,
south

[mkoesel]

Originally Posted by southlight

You guys are confusing me, years, model years etc...

Assuming the F3x has not been moved ahead a year, the F30 sedan will debut in Spring 2012, the F31 touring in Fall 2012. This leaves Spring or Fall 2013 for the F32 coupe and Spring 2014 for the F33 convertible.

Thanks for chiming in south, I have to agree with you. In fact, that's essentially what I was relating in my first post above.

UltimateBMW is likely to be right about the new F32 M3 coming out in Fall 2014 (Europe), but that would be an MY 2015.

Yes and on this point I am in agreeance with you both. As far as the US is concerned, we probably won't see the first cars until early 2015 calendar year, but like the E9x, they will still be called MY2015 (rather than an early MY2016). Reason is, they don't want confusion vs. the 3 series on sale at the same time, which will naturally be an MY2015 as well.

[duk]

2012 likely, moving everything up a year