Poll: Would You Have Ordered a Diesel, Were It Available in North America?

cracka · 03-06-2008, 01:49 PM

Let's see how the availability of the diesels would have affected North American 1er orders.

vivid · 03-06-2008, 01:53 PM

you left out one option... would not want a diesel.

I would not want one for a sports car but would consider it for an SUV or a 5series or larger sedan

KingOfJericho · 03-06-2008, 01:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Vivid

you left out one option... would not want a diesel.

I would not want one for a sports car but would consider it for an SUV or a 5series or larger sedan

+1

Oh and I love the Weim... I miss mine!

dclee1 · 03-06-2008, 02:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Vivid

you left out one option... would not want a diesel.

I would not want one for a sports car but would consider it for an SUV or a 5series or larger sedan

I would have still gone with the 135i

Nixon · 03-06-2008, 02:04 PM

The 120d sounds somewhat tempting, but I think the 123d will ultimately respond much better to tuning.

I don't really consider the 135i and the 123d to be direct competitors. They are very different cars. I think the 128i and the 123d are more of competitors.

cracka · 03-06-2008, 02:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Vivid

you left out one option... would not want a diesel.

Shizzle. Maybe someone with some authoritay can add that for me?

Quote:

Originally Posted by Vivid

I would not want one for a sports car but would consider it for an SUV or a 5series or larger sedan

Are you sure? Never say never. :wink:

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Nixon · 03-06-2008, 02:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Vivid

you left out one option... would not want a diesel.

I would not want one for a sports car but would consider it for an SUV or a 5series or larger sedan

Is this just because the current choices (4 cyl diesels vs. 6 cyl gassers) only pits smaller, lower HP/TQ diesels against larger, higher HP/TQ gassers?

If there were a 6 cyl diesel offered in a 1-er, with higher HP/TQ, and was faster than the 135i, would you still choose the 135i? If so, why?

moff · 03-06-2008, 02:56 PM

Diesels are crappy... seriously, they are not for driving enthusiasts in my opinion.

My wife drives a 335d and it's very fast, economical and a great cruiser, but it's not a 'fun' car.

Sports car should be revved, diesels have too short a power band and hate to be revved.

moff · 03-06-2008, 02:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Nixon

If there were a 6 cyl diesel offered in a 1-er, with higher HP/TQ, and was faster than the 135i, would you still choose the 135i? If so, why?

I understand your question, but fairly irrelvant since there isn't a more powerful BMW diesel engine option.

Brandon26pdx · 03-06-2008, 03:01 PM

I'd take a 123d w/m-pack over a US 135i, especially if there was a purchase price incentive. (We already know how the fuel economy compares!)

vivid · 03-06-2008, 03:59 PM

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Originally Posted by KingOfJericho

+1

Oh and I love the Weim... I miss mine!

She took some steroids or something

She did look like a Weimi when she was younger but she's a Blue Great Dane

vivid · 03-06-2008, 04:02 PM

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Originally Posted by KingOfJericho

+1

Oh and I love the Weim... I miss mine!

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Originally Posted by cracka

Shizzle. Maybe someone with some authoritay can add that for me?

Are you sure? Never say never. :wink:

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I won't say never... but for right now nearly all auto makers are not make sports cars with diesels... No doubt time can change every thing, I hope they can make a high revving diesel with gobs of HP and not just tq

BMW Dreamer · 03-06-2008, 04:02 PM

NO. The 135i 300hp 300tq @ 1400. 0-60 5.0...

Jewpac · 03-06-2008, 04:03 PM

From what I have read about the diesel options in Europe they are way underpowered. Torque is awesome, but I bought the 135 for the performance potential, not for economy. If they could get a 250hp 350 ft lb diesel then maybe I would think about it, but for a 120 or a 123 no way.

Jewpac · 03-06-2008, 04:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Vivid

I won't say never... but for right now nearly all auto makers are not make sports cars with diesels... No doubt time can change every thing, I hope they can make a high revving diesel with gobs of HP and not just tq

Tell that to the Le Mans winning diesel Audi R8's.

vivid · 03-06-2008, 04:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Jewpac

Tell that to the Le Mans winning diesel Audi R8's.

And they are sitting on the Audi lot for sale? I'm sure in time the can/will make a sporty diesel for a production car but until they do I will stick with petrol for my sports cars.

WhiteOne · 03-06-2008, 04:23 PM

If the 135i (6MT) works out, I'd like to get my lady a 123D (auto). It would be great for trips (54mpg).

Jewpac · 03-06-2008, 04:51 PM

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Originally Posted by Vivid

And they are sitting on the Audi lot for sale? I'm sure in time the can/will make a sporty diesel for a production car but until they do I will stick with petrol for my sports cars.

They are working on a production version of the R8 with a diesel engine, Im not sure on a date when it will be available to the public, but I wouldnt be surprised to see it in the next 18 months.

Nixon · 03-06-2008, 04:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Vivid

I won't say never... but for right now nearly all auto makers are not make sports cars with diesels... No doubt time can change every thing, I hope they can make a high revving diesel with gobs of HP and not just tq

Quote:

Originally Posted by Vivid

I'm sure in time the can/will make a sporty diesel for a production car but until they do I will stick with petrol for my sports cars.

I think that is a fair enough assessment. Getting diesels to rev higher is a tough challenge, and is directly linked to the peak horsepower. If the 135i reached it's peak horsepower at 4400 rpm like the 123d, it would only be rated as about a 240 hp engine. The 5500 rpm redline of the 123d is a big hit compared to the 7000 rpm redline on the 135i, or the 6500 redline on the 128i.

That is one of the reasons why I think the 123d competes more against the 128i then the 135i. The 123d is a good solid car, but the 135i is still the top performer of the group.

Until BMW puts out a higher reving aluminum block version of their current 3.0 liter 6 cyl sequential turbo diesel engine, the 135i is going to continue to be the top of the 1-er lineup. They need to update their 6 cyl diesel the same way they just got done updating their 4 cyl.

With all that said about the 135i being the top performer, I would still rather have the 123d. :biggrin:

It's sort of like the same reason I own a Suzuki SV650 instead of a GSXR 750 or a 'busa. I know their are better performers out there, but having a very good performer is still a whole heck of a lot of fun!

Slow · 03-06-2008, 07:29 PM

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Originally Posted by KingOfJericho

+1

Oh and I love the Weim... I miss mine!

Take my 8-month Weim! His separation anxiety and super rambunctious personality is killing me. And heck... he's gonna kill my 135. Vivid, I don't think your Great Dane will fit in the car, hehe. Very pretty dog by the way.

bum944 · 03-07-2008, 01:08 AM

I'm test driving the 1 on Sunday, but have no intention of buying one for daily use, maybe as a spare fun car. If diesels were available now, I'd buy a 6-speed coupe for myself and an auto convertible for the wife without hesitation.

MVF4Rrider · 03-07-2008, 01:12 AM

Diesels have merit in racing cars. Just look at Le Mans and FIA WTCC these days. Just last weekend the Seat TDI put a beating on the 320si. Audi R10 TDIs have dominated in endurance racing in their class.

At the moment, BMW doesn't really have a sporty small diesel (to my knowledge anyway). They'd need to go the TDI route to at least keep up with Audi and Seat. The biggest downside of the diesel is the extra weight of the motor. But the torque and HP are amazing. Last weekend in WTCC, the Seat simply ran away from the Bimmer on the straights! The Bimmer had no chance even if in the tow. At the next round in Mexico if will be even worse for BMW due to the elevation.

BTW, the Audi TT Diesel was just launched in Geneva.

View Poll Results: If you are in North America, would you have ordered a diesel 1er if available?
Ordered a 135i, Would have ordered a 120d	1	1.16%
Ordered a 135i, Would have ordered a 123d	19	22.09%
Ordered a 128i, Would have ordered a 120d	1	1.16%
Ordered a 128i, Would have ordered a 123d	4	4.65%
Didn't order a 1er, Would have ordered a 120d	0	0%
Didn't order a 1er, Would have ordered a 123d	20	23.26%
Didn't order a 1er, Wouldn't have ordered a 120d or 123d	6	6.98%
Ordered a 1er, Wouldn't have ordered a 120d or 123d	35	40.70%
Voters: 86. You may not vote on this poll

03-06-2008, 01:49 PM	#1
cracka Captain 26 Rep 780 Posts Drives: VO 1M Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: DFW iTrader: (0)	Poll: Would You Have Ordered a Diesel, Were It Available in North America? Let's see how the availability of the diesels would have affected North American 1er orders.
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03-06-2008, 01:53 PM	#2
vivid Captain 40 Rep 822 Posts Drives: 135i, 323i Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Atlanta, GA. iTrader: (0)	you left out one option... would not want a diesel. I would not want one for a sports car but would consider it for an SUV or a 5series or larger sedan __________________ Current: 135i, 323i wagon. Sold:GTI Sold: FX45 Sold: E36 M3
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Nixon Banned 57 Rep 1,396 Posts Drives: : Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: : iTrader: (0)	The 120d sounds somewhat tempting, but I think the 123d will ultimately respond much better to tuning. I don't really consider the 135i and the 123d to be direct competitors. They are very different cars. I think the 128i and the 123d are more of competitors.
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moff Colonel 1363 Rep 2,495 Posts Drives: X4M Competition Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: Nottingham GB iTrader: (0)	Diesels are crappy... seriously, they are not for driving enthusiasts in my opinion. My wife drives a 335d and it's very fast, economical and a great cruiser, but it's not a 'fun' car. Sports car should be revved, diesels have too short a power band and hate to be revved. __________________ Arrived! 2022 X4M Competition, SPY + Black Merino Gone: 2019 X3M Competition, Toronto Red, Adelaide Grey.
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Brandon26pdx Lieutenant Colonel 28 Rep 1,938 Posts Drives: 2011 135i Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: Portland, OR iTrader: (1)	I'd take a 123d w/m-pack over a US 135i, especially if there was a purchase price incentive. (We already know how the fuel economy compares!)
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BMW Dreamer Colonel 72 Rep 2,387 Posts Drives: Modded 06 TL Manual Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: Northern IL. iTrader: (0)	NO. The 135i 300hp 300tq @ 1400. 0-60 5.0...
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Jewpac Marty Turco Hater 37 Rep 768 Posts Drives: Join Date: Feb 2008 iTrader: (0)	From what I have read about the diesel options in Europe they are way underpowered. Torque is awesome, but I bought the 135 for the performance potential, not for economy. If they could get a 250hp 350 ft lb diesel then maybe I would think about it, but for a 120 or a 123 no way. __________________ 135i, Alpine White, Taupe Leatherette, iPod USB adaptor, 6MT Delivery Wednesday 5/7
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WhiteOne Major 28 Rep 1,000 Posts Drives: 2008 AW 135i Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Alabama iTrader: (0)	If the 135i (6MT) works out, I'd like to get my lady a 123D (auto). It would be great for trips (54mpg).
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bum944 Enlisted Member 1 Rep 43 Posts Drives: Join Date: Nov 2006 iTrader: (0)	I'm test driving the 1 on Sunday, but have no intention of buying one for daily use, maybe as a spare fun car. If diesels were available now, I'd buy a 6-speed coupe for myself and an auto convertible for the wife without hesitation.
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MVF4Rrider PCA, BMWCCA 102 Rep 2,058 Posts Drives: 997S, MV Agusta F4, E46 M3 Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: Las Vegas NV iTrader: (0)	Diesels have merit in racing cars. Just look at Le Mans and FIA WTCC these days. Just last weekend the Seat TDI put a beating on the 320si. Audi R10 TDIs have dominated in endurance racing in their class. At the moment, BMW doesn't really have a sporty small diesel (to my knowledge anyway). They'd need to go the TDI route to at least keep up with Audi and Seat. The biggest downside of the diesel is the extra weight of the motor. But the torque and HP are amazing. Last weekend in WTCC, the Seat simply ran away from the Bimmer on the straights! The Bimmer had no chance even if in the tow. At the next round in Mexico if will be even worse for BMW due to the elevation. BTW, the Audi TT Diesel was just launched in Geneva. __________________ '08 Carrera S 6MT Guards Red/Black ext leather, Carbon fiber pkg, sport exh, sport chrono +, PASM, Nav, Bose, 19" forged turbos, red tranny tunnel '07 MV Agusta F4 1000 R 1+1, Corse Red/Silver, RG3 race pipes and factory race ECU
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