Future of e9x m3

[santiago.rincon]

Will the e9x m3 still be a popular choice for the coming years? Will it still be worth buying? 2018-2022?

[WingZeroX5]

Definitely, it'll probably sell like hot cakes!

[Ngilbe36]

Look to history for the answer. What has happened with E30's, E46's and now even E36's? Prices are all on the rise. People loved them and want them back or always loved them and are now able to buy them.

[oldmanstyle]

Depends on how the bearing situation continues to play out. This car comes with a more expensive gamble than the previous ones.

[santiago.rincon]

Originally Posted by Ngilbe36

Look to history for the answer. What has happened with E30's, E46's and now even E36's? Prices are all on the rise. People loved them and want them back or always loved them and are now able to buy them.

What about the warranty for those 10+ year cars?

[Helmsman]

Assuming petrol is available (in volume!) and legal to use - more popular then ever without a doubt!

[spazzyfry123]

As seen in the "what's most like the E9x M3 that's not an E9x M3" thread, there really isn't much out there that gives the same experience. I'd say it's going to be quite a desired car in the incoming years.

[Law]

Originally Posted by oldmanstyle

Depends on how the bearing situation continues to play out. This car comes with a more expensive gamble than the previous ones.

Not really.
The E46 M3 takes first place for most expensive gamble by far.
Spinning rod bearings, cracking subframes, self-destructing VANOS, failing SMG pumps, etc.
And then also add to the fact that it's one generation older than the E9x.

[Ab28]

No doubt it will be sought after.

An 8,400 rpm V8 will not be made again.

Smaller displacement turbo motors with muffled exhaust systems are the new norm.

There will be enough enthusiasts (or at least enough young men with functioning hormones) to keep the market for these cars.

I think the whole "electric/driverless/automated" thing is still a WAYS OFF from now.

[DSilk]

It's a fools game to make predictions about the future value of our cars. With rare exceptions old cars have generally not been of any great value until the Boomer generation reached a stage of affluence and decided to go after the cars they wanted as teens but couldn't afford. In the 1970s a Series 1 or 2 E-Type Jaguar could be purchased used for under $4,000 and a Porsche 356 was cheaper. Unless today's youth develop the same attachment to cars that earlier generations did, values may not climb. Given the fact that the automobile does not hold the same romantic aura today of freedom and the open road that it did for generations past it would be folly to make a car selection based upon perceived future value. Who knows, the most sought-after classic in 50 years could be a Tesla. Buy what you enjoy driving and enjoy it while you can.

[Dr. Dre]

Originally Posted by DSilk

It's a fools game to make predictions about the future value of our cars. With rare exceptions old cars have generally not been of any great value until the Boomer generation reached a stage of affluence and decided to go after the cars they wanted as teens but couldn't afford. In the 1970s a Series 1 or 2 E-Type Jaguar could be purchased used for under $4,000 and a Porsche 356 was cheaper. Unless today's youth develop the same attachment to cars that earlier generations did, values may not climb. Given the fact that the automobile does not hold the same romantic aura today of freedom and the open road that it did for generations past it would be folly to make a car selection based upon perceived future value. Who knows, the most sought-after classic in 50 years could be a Tesla. Buy what you enjoy driving and enjoy it while you can.

I completely disagree with your statement. A fairly current example of this is the Toyota Supra. There was a time you could pick up a Supra for nothing. I used to work for Toyota Motors Sales, USA and had plenty of opportunity to buy a Supra even cheaper than you would in the general market.

In some respects they are very similar cars. They are at the top of their game. While we currently have twin turbo cars from BMW it's highly unlikely you'll ever see a high reving NA engine from BMW.

Shit they have even gone AWD on the new M5. If you said that was possible years ago I would have laughed at you.

If I had the money i would buy anything used (M Cars), anything Porsche, anything Ducati, anything AMG.

[CHE///MIST3]

I need to buy up all the throttle actuators and gloss shadow-line trim while we can !

GM

[oldmanstyle]

Originally Posted by Law

Not really.
The E46 M3 takes first place for most expensive gamble by far.
Spinning rod bearings, cracking subframes, self-destructing VANOS, failing SMG pumps, etc.
And then also add to the fact that it's one generation older than the E9x.

The E46 does not have a rod bearing problem. The recall was over a decade ago and 99.9% of people who are replacing bearings now are doing so because of wear/high mileage. Subframe and VANOS kits are available to solve those specific issues, and together they cost roughly the same as a preventative rod bearing swap on the S65. There is no problem on the E46 M3 that can put you an instant +$10k in the hole unless some very bad decisions were made in the car buying process.

[Law]

Originally Posted by oldmanstyle

The E46 does not have a rod bearing problem. The recall was over a decade ago and 99.9% of people who are replacing bearings now are doing so because of wear/high mileage. Subframe and VANOS kits are available to solve those specific issues, and together they cost roughly the same as a preventative rod bearing swap on the S65. There is no problem on the E46 M3 that can put you an instant +$10k in the hole unless some very bad decisions were made in the car buying process.

Yes it does.
Nice try but I owned an E46 M3 not included in the VIN batch that spun rod-bearings at 6x,xxx miles and was in the scene long enough to see the same thing happen to my peers.
It's a catastrophic failure that can affect all S54s and not a case of high-miles.
The indy-shop that specializes in E46 and E9x BMWs in my area has torn apart enough S54s over the years to confirm this fact.

VANOS kits are available as are subframes, correct.
But so are rod bearing kits for the E9x. And in certain cases, a simple "reinforcement" kit for the subframe is not enough and requires more specialized work, especially for track cars.

Your point is moot and disproved.
Add up the total, the E46 is the grenade of M3s.

[jaehshim]

Originally Posted by Law

Yes it does.
Nice try but I owned an E46 M3 not included in the VIN batch that spun rod-bearings at 6x,xxx miles and was in the scene long enough to see the same thing happen to my peers.
It's a catastrophic failure that can affect all S54s and not a case of high-miles.
The indy-shop that specializes in E46 and E9x BMWs in my area has torn apart enough S54s over the years to confirm this fact.

VANOS kits are available as are subframes, correct.
But so are rod bearing kits for the E9x. And in certain cases, a simple "reinforcement" kit for the subframe is not enough and requires more specialized work, especially for track cars.

Your point is moot and disproved.
Add up the total, the E46 is the grenade of M3s.

hell yea E46 had rod bearing issues, on top of their main problems including subframe and vanos.
you talk to a local tuning/mechanic shop, rod bearing + throttle actuator are a "joke" in terms of engine issues...you talk about maintaining a well deserved "performance segment" cars like AMG and Audi S/RS, compare that to the S65's potential + its problems, these S65 engines are by far the most reliable M engine produced/easy to maintain.

E46 was great, but then the S65 came out...while having LESS weight than the S54, it has 2 MORE cylinders + 80hp MORE+ HIGHER redline rpm NA motor while KEEPING ITB tech. This engine simply is the pinnacle of BMW M's NA motor, this engine itself can be the reason why E9X will be a special model.

You talk about the F80, N54 engine base with 2 mitsubishi turbo for more torque. Oh wait, the competition pack is better. Oh wait, the CS is better. Oh wait, they are coming out with the S58, same exact engine just tuned more...but wait, you will have the same engine in X3M, probably in X4M and everyting else. But hold on, just wait 2 more yrs they will come out with the same exact engine but tuned to have 50 more hp!

what a fukin joke bmw... lol

[6ixSpd]

Hold on, let us all get a crystal ball. Maybe I can get it to give me some stock options for 2022 as well.

[6ixSpd]

Originally Posted by santiago.rincon

What about the warranty for those 10+ year cars?

[Law]

Originally Posted by jaehshim

hell yea E46 had rod bearing issues, on top of their main problems including subframe and vanos.
you talk to a local tuning/mechanic shop, rod bearing + throttle actuator are a "joke" in terms of engine issues...you talk about maintaining a well deserved "performance segment" cars like AMG and Audi S/RS, compare that to the S65's potential + its problems, these S65 engines are by far the most reliable M engine produced/easy to maintain.

E46 was great, but then the S65 came out...while having LESS weight than the S54, it has 2 MORE cylinders + 80hp MORE+ HIGHER redline rpm NA motor while KEEPING ITB tech. This engine simply is the pinnacle of BMW M's NA motor, this engine itself can be the reason why E9X will be a special model.

You talk about the F80, N54 engine base with 2 mitsubishi turbo for more torque. Oh wait, the competition pack is better. Oh wait, the CS is better. Oh wait, they are coming out with the S58, same exact engine just tuned more...but wait, you will have the same engine in X3M, probably in X4M and everyting else. But hold on, just wait 2 more yrs they will come out with the same exact engine but tuned to have 50 more hp!

what a fukin joke bmw... lol

Pretty much agreed here.

This is the second time i'm saying this today and probably the third time this week but BMW has really forgotten that it's middle name is "motor".
Especially sad about BMW M. Each and every engine produced used to be crafted with the prowess and experience from the best racing engineers to give a really bring the ethos of a race-bred daily driver to the customer.
BMW and especially BMW M was always renown for its good motors.
Robust and full of character and properly engineered for performance with great response and noise.
Now they are resorting to what i liked to call "lazy engineering", basically repackaging the same engines with different states of tunes.

This trend will see that in the long run, older BMWs like our E9x M3 will be more desirable in the future. Even if it isn't super hot in the future, it will definitely have it's place in history.

[Dr. Dre]

Originally Posted by 6ixSpd

Hold on, let us all get a crystal ball. Maybe I can get it to give me some stock options for 2022 as well.

With 20-25 Trillion dollars in debt an E92 might be worth more than your stock options. We are overdue for a correction in the market.

Buy another M3, an AR15 and some ammo.

[aswy6]

What about E60 M5? Prices are down to 15-20k lol

[KPop]

Originally Posted by spazzyfry123

As seen in the "what's most like the E9x M3 that's not an E9x M3" thread, there really isn't much out there that gives the same experience. I'd say it's going to be quite a desired car in the incoming years.

100% agree.

That was a great thread and there's a rapidly shrinking handful of cars that offer the same recipe as the E9X M3, most of which are out of production.

I think in 7-10 years, the low-mileage unmolested >8/10 condition examples of our cars will begin to appreciate. Probably not to air-cooled 911 or NSX bubble levels, but pretty similar to pristine E46 M3 or 1M appreciation. An easy way to keep tabs is by looking at EAG prices, which are priced at the very top-end of the market's willingness to pay.

[GT3fan]

Originally Posted by lat77

No doubt it will be sought after.

An 8,400 rpm V8 will not be made again.

Smaller displacement turbo motors with muffled exhaust systems are the new norm.

There will be enough enthusiasts (or at least enough young men with functioning hormones) to keep the market for these cars.

I think the whole "electric/driverless/automated" thing is still a WAYS OFF from now.

I agree there will never be another high revving NA v8 like the s65 in a sporty sedan ever again. it's just too inefficient with fuel to be feasible in the future.

But, I do remember in the mid 90s when I had a 300zx twin turbo and most of the Japanese sports cars were twin turbo making 300hp+ and then they disappeared due increasing prices and dwindling demand. Back then they said we'd never see mass produced twin turbo cars again and that we were living in the pinnacle of performance cars. Fast forward today and high power turbos are everywhere and battery powered luxury sedans outrun high end 911 turbos.