Alfa QV vs M3 ZCP

domino_z · 07-27-2017, 09:42 PM

Another Alfa vs BMW test

These guys are actually quite good reviewers - haven't seen much from them lately, but I remember some really good full length comparison videos with r35 vs evo x, and evo vs sti vs focus rs vs golf r which are worth searching for

Also looks like they have been working on a full generation of m3 video

damnitBobby · 07-27-2017, 10:22 PM

They did a good job filming the cars in motion and also captured the sound well.

stevehifi · 07-28-2017, 11:50 AM

great review.. very unbiased and thorough.
I totally agree with the feedback on the steering feel on the m3. you're using it to turn the front of the car and not the entire car.

FC · 07-28-2017, 03:49 PM

These guys are great. One glaring omission, however, is talk of transmission offerings.

I say that because if you don't want the 6MT and are willing to ignore reliability concerns, the Alfa is definitely worth considering. But to me, those two kill the Alfa.

Add to that the dealer network, the higher price, and lack of Euro delivery (which I love) and it doesn't work for me. But I am optimistic that years down the road I could own the next gen Giulia QV.

Hedoniste · 07-28-2017, 04:16 PM

I test drove the Alfa and liked a lot this car. Sure it is nice to drive and it is a beautiful machine. I ended with a second F80 because I had a better deal and the M3 is more luxury and has better ergonomy than the Alfa ( instant feeling ). Plus I know I wouldnt be disappointed with ZCP... maybe the Alfa is a bit too expensive.
BTW this is a fair review!

DataNerd · 07-28-2017, 06:29 PM

Thanks for posting this.

I love the "Let's hope the reliability is there", at the end with regard to the Alfa

stevehifi · 07-28-2017, 07:19 PM

I think in a couple years, alfa will get rid of the reliability issues. They plunged into this crowded market and did everything they could to deliver a bang with this car in a short timeframe. (concept to production)

Let's hope however poor sales don't cancel this platform.

KevinM · 07-28-2017, 09:55 PM

Nice video, pretty much in line with others...depends what you want. Those who appreciate BMW's approach of "smashing" roads rather than "rotating" on them will probably continue to like the F8X better.

As for the Alfa, which I am impressed with based on reviews (still have not had a chance to drive one, which is not likely to happen in Tucson!):

Dynamics: +1
Reliability: 0 (or -1?)
Lack of MT: Non-starter

When a MT becomes not available on any new performance sedan (soon, I'm sure), the playing field will finally be level for me. Of course, at that point, I may just revel in my old MT cars for fun drives and have an electric car as a DD...

Thescout13 · 07-29-2017, 12:28 AM

Wonder what mountain roads they are driving on. Look unnaturally empty.

Wills2 · 07-29-2017, 10:24 AM

They mention the QF's brakes as did Motortrend in their video piece "QF vs. everything"

Motortrend said it would make the car a pain to drive round town and they say similar things, it seems a small foot note to the reviews but I can imagine that would get old really quickly.

07-27-2017, 09:42 PM	#1
domino_z Lieutenant Colonel 1250 Rep 1,973 Posts Drives: F-Pace SVR Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: Australia iTrader: (0)	Another Alfa vs BMW test These guys are actually quite good reviewers - haven't seen much from them lately, but I remember some really good full length comparison videos with r35 vs evo x, and evo vs sti vs focus rs vs golf r which are worth searching for Also looks like they have been working on a full generation of m3 video
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damnitBobby Major 992 Rep 1,370 Posts Drives: 2018 M3 ZCP Join Date: Jan 2014 Location: Houston iTrader: (0)	They did a good job filming the cars in motion and also captured the sound well.
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07-28-2017, 11:50 AM	#3
stevehifi Captain 528 Rep 855 Posts Drives: 17 F80 M3 ZCP Join Date: May 2008 Location: Irvine,CA iTrader: (5)	great review.. very unbiased and thorough. I totally agree with the feedback on the steering feel on the m3. you're using it to turn the front of the car and not the entire car.
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FC Lieutenant 244 Rep 517 Posts Drives: '21 F90, '23 BGTS 4.0, '21 GTI Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: Northeast iTrader: (0)	These guys are great. One glaring omission, however, is talk of transmission offerings. I say that because if you don't want the 6MT and are willing to ignore reliability concerns, the Alfa is definitely worth considering. But to me, those two kill the Alfa. Add to that the dealer network, the higher price, and lack of Euro delivery (which I love) and it doesn't work for me. But I am optimistic that years down the road I could own the next gen Giulia QV.
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Hedoniste Lieutenant Colonel 3834 Rep 1,672 Posts Drives: M2 CS \| M135i Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Swiss Alps iTrader: (0) Garage List 2020 BMW M2 CS [10.00]	I test drove the Alfa and liked a lot this car. Sure it is nice to drive and it is a beautiful machine. I ended with a second F80 because I had a better deal and the M3 is more luxury and has better ergonomy than the Alfa ( instant feeling ). Plus I know I wouldnt be disappointed with ZCP... maybe the Alfa is a bit too expensive. BTW this is a fair review! __________________ 2020 M2 CS DCT 2021 M135i xDrive ex: 18 M3 DCT ZCP \| 15 M3 DCT \| 11 M3 Coupe 6MT ZCP \| 07 M Coupe
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DataNerd Private First Class 96 Rep 120 Posts Drives: F80 M3 (sold). G80 M3C Xdrive Join Date: Apr 2014 Location: TPA iTrader: (1)	Thanks for posting this. I love the "Let's hope the reliability is there", at the end with regard to the Alfa
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stevehifi Captain 528 Rep 855 Posts Drives: 17 F80 M3 ZCP Join Date: May 2008 Location: Irvine,CA iTrader: (5)	I think in a couple years, alfa will get rid of the reliability issues. They plunged into this crowded market and did everything they could to deliver a bang with this car in a short timeframe. (concept to production) Let's hope however poor sales don't cancel this platform.
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KevinM Brigadier General 2936 Rep 3,286 Posts Drives: 2002 M5;2007 M Coupe;2020 M2C Join Date: Jul 2011 Location: Tucson iTrader: (0) Garage List 2020 M2 Competition [10.00] 2007 E86 M coupe [8.38] 2002 E39 M5 [9.00]	Nice video, pretty much in line with others...depends what you want. Those who appreciate BMW's approach of "smashing" roads rather than "rotating" on them will probably continue to like the F8X better. As for the Alfa, which I am impressed with based on reviews (still have not had a chance to drive one, which is not likely to happen in Tucson!): Dynamics: +1 Reliability: 0 (or -1?) Lack of MT: Non-starter When a MT becomes not available on any new performance sedan (soon, I'm sure), the playing field will finally be level for me. Of course, at that point, I may just revel in my old MT cars for fun drives and have an electric car as a DD... __________________ 2020 F87 M2C Hockenheim Silver/MT 2002 E39 M5 Sterling Gray/Caramel 2007 E86 Z4M Coupe Silver Gray/Black 2021 Kia Telluride (hauler)
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Thescout13 Brigadier General 4947 Rep 4,976 Posts Drives: '20 F80 M3CS, %E2%80%9818 GT3 Join Date: Nov 2013 Location: California iTrader: (0)	Wonder what mountain roads they are driving on. Look unnaturally empty. __________________ Wife's Car: 2020 X4M Competition, Alpine White on Black Alcantara and Biege Current Car: 2018 F80 M3CS, SMB, DCT, ZEC, MPE Recently Departed: 2020 F87 M2C, LBB, ZEC, 6MT (Euro Delivery Aug. 29, 2019, totaled by an idiot in a Camry who then ran from the scene) Wife's Prior Car: 2018 F80 M3, Yas Marina Blue, DCT, Black 19s, Carbon Structure Anthracite Cloth/Leather Combination, Driving Assistance Package (Euro Delivery Oct. 9, 2017)
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Wills2 Barge driver 8656 Rep 12,425 Posts Drives: 730d Join Date: Aug 2014 Location: UK iTrader: (0)	They mention the QF's brakes as did Motortrend in their video piece "QF vs. everything" Motortrend said it would make the car a pain to drive round town and they say similar things, it seems a small foot note to the reviews but I can imagine that would get old really quickly. __________________ 730d/Z4C
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