Top Gear Giulia vs M3

M3steve2014 · 03-19-2017, 07:32 PM

Got a little worried until I see it only beat the M3 by .2, with a non-ZCP. I would love to have seen the ZCP comparison. I have to assume the Competition Package would have at least tied it; if not beaten it. But.... it does look like a fun car none the less.

MonacoMurphy · 03-19-2017, 07:42 PM

It wasn't a comp pack either. I bet ZCP would have been just as, if not faster.

M3steve2014 · 03-19-2017, 07:43 PM

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Originally Posted by MonacoMurphy

It wasn't a comp pack either. I bet ZCP would have been just as, if not faster.

I wrote Top Gear asking for a rematch with a ZCP. Not holding my breathe but I thought I'd try for the team.

AIRPOWER · 03-19-2017, 07:45 PM

ZCP is slower than normal M4. See the instrumented Car and Driver write up below.

Also this topic has been discussed for some time now......just saying.

http://www.caranddriver.com/reviews/...package-review

neilum · 03-19-2017, 07:58 PM

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Originally Posted by M3steve2014

Got a little worried until I see it only beat the M3 by .2, with a non-ZCP. I would love to have seen the ZCP comparison. I have to assume the Competition Package would have at least tied it; if not beaten it. But.... it does look like a fun car none the less.

The Quad is a very capable car that sounds great, probably has 460 wheel HP stock, and handles just as well as the M3, but in my opinion I don't really love the styling. It doesn't look nearly as sexy as the M3 does.

Honestly though, these two cars are almost identical in all performance metrics. People in general put way too much stock into car reviews.

The better driver will win every race when it comes to these two cars, that's all that matters.

Still think it looks so funny on paper that the M3 is listed to have 425 HP but magically keeping up with 500 + HP cars. Can't they just say it has 480 HP, we all know it does.

Gibson6594 · 03-19-2017, 08:05 PM

I think I read that dynos showed the Alfa's horse power was overstated.

Falafel Combo · 03-19-2017, 08:05 PM

Anyone who says these cars are "similar", doesn't even begin to appreciate subtleties.

dantm3 · 03-19-2017, 08:06 PM

I just watched this too... m3 looks better in my opinion and we are talking a difference of .2 seconds... how many people really would be able to tell which is better with average driving skills.. I doubt most use the performance to full potential so then it comes down to styling and personal choice.. I think Alfa has more exclusiveness as you won't see a ton of them around like BMW cars... but I still will get the m3

M3steve2014 · 03-19-2017, 08:06 PM

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Originally Posted by AIRPOWER

ZCP is slower than normal M4. See the instrumented Car and Driver write up below.

Also this topic has been discussed for some time now......just saying.

http://www.caranddriver.com/reviews/...package-review

I agree. But not with the Top Gear TV review to my knowledge. If so, my bad.

M3steve2014 · 03-19-2017, 08:08 PM

I'm just glad to see another marque in the game. The sports car world is getting pretty fun again. Can't wait to see the Giulia on the track soon. Sounds awesome as well.

gonoyaro11 · 03-19-2017, 08:35 PM

Non zcp is faster than zcp.

MonacoMurphy · 03-19-2017, 08:44 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by AIRPOWER

ZCP is slower than normal M4. See the instrumented Car and Driver write up below.

Also this topic has been discussed for some time now......just saying.

http://www.caranddriver.com/reviews/...package-review

Good thing we don't own M4's.

M3steve2014 · 03-19-2017, 08:48 PM

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Originally Posted by basara078

Non zcp is faster than zcp.

Of course I can't find it now, but I've read just the opposite. Either way, would've been nice to see. All good cars!

AIRPOWER · 03-19-2017, 09:03 PM

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Originally Posted by M3steve2014

Of course I can't find it now, but I've read just the opposite. Either way, would've been nice to see. All good cars!

I posted the link to the calibrated test article above

M3steve2014 · 03-19-2017, 09:04 PM

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Originally Posted by AIRPOWER

Quote:

Originally Posted by M3steve2014

Of course I can't find it now, but I've read just the opposite. Either way, would've been nice to see. All good cars!

I posted the link to the calibrated test article above

Saw that. Interesting read. There was another one I saw a while back.

CanAutM3 · 03-20-2017, 07:59 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by AIRPOWER

ZCP is slower than normal M4. See the instrumented Car and Driver write up below.

Also this topic has been discussed for some time now......just saying.

http://www.caranddriver.com/reviews/...package-review

Based on a few tests from major publications in the US and Germany, it seems that the CP does not provide much improvements in terms of straight line acceleration. However, track times for the CP have shown to be marginally better compared to the non-CP.

mc3456 · 03-20-2017, 09:51 AM

The positive Alfa reviews just keep stacking up.

ClothSeats · 03-20-2017, 01:12 PM

The M3 used for the lap was a 30 Jahre with CCB. You can watch it on Extra Gear. Nice color!

M3steve2014 · 03-20-2017, 01:13 PM

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Originally Posted by ClothSeats

The M3 used for the lap was a 30 Jahre with CCB. You can watch it on Extra Gear. Nice color!

Saw that. That would've been a fun comparison in my opinion. He LOVES that car.

MCarRacr07 · 03-20-2017, 03:24 PM

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Originally Posted by ClothSeats

The M3 used for the lap was a 30 Jahre with CCB. You can watch it on Extra Gear. Nice color!

that color is Silverstone II in the picture

ClothSeats · 03-20-2017, 04:02 PM

Looked like a matte finish in the studio. Pretty cool how it reflects light.

umizoomi · 03-20-2017, 04:22 PM

I'm an alfa fan and ex-owner going back decades. I love the Quadrifoglio. Had a deposit down with dealer. Had ZERO intention of cross-shopping it with anything. I wanted it. PERIOD. Spent hours test driving. What's in my driveway now?

Despite the emotional attraction, at the end of the day the car just fell short for me personally and there was no way for me to get past that. I wanted a stick, but was willing to entertain the 8-speed. I found the electronic brakes difficult to get used to. As good as the steering feel and response was, the brakes were the opposite. As much fun as the engine was and how amazing the 8-speed was (best implementation I've ever driven), I wanted my left leg to be busy. I wanted to be able to control the nannies, not all-On or all-Off. Heck, in the absence of the ability to mount a roofbox (has CF roof, like the F80) I needed rear seats that folded. At the end of a few hours and nearly 200 miles, I asked for my deposit back. Then I drove straight over to my local M dealer and did something i'd never even considered. Bought an M3. 6MT ZCP

Thanks, Alfa.

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