MT Video: 2017 Alfa Romeo Giulia Quadrifoglio VS. F80 M3 Comp Pack

[buddalun]

I'd like to get my hands on a Giulia Quadrifoglio.

[GuidoK]

It's still strange that alfa romeo decided to not deliver on a manual in the US.
Over here in europe an automatic is still associated with luxury, premium and a bonus over a manual, because everybody here learned how to drive in old small cars, all with manuals.
But in the US a manual is slowly considered to be a bonus as more involving, more sportier.
Like why the e60 M5 was available with a manual only in the US.

But hey, its alfa, so there's bound to be some management mistakes to be made...

Could be that the manual has slightly higher emissions, giving problems in California.

[buddalun]

A manual would have been a wonderful option. Just let us have it, damnit!

[KenB925]

The MT guys speculated that it could be a crash test problem with the third pedal.

[Germanauto]

Problem with the Alfa is that it's interior is more befitting of a competitor to the E90 than the F30, it's reliability will be horrid, and residuals will be in the tank.

I'd surely like to drive one, but there's no denying a beautiful Yas Marina Blue ///M3 is heads and shoulders the superior all-around car.

I don't care what MT has to say because they have no credibility. They raved over the ATS and CTS yet sales have been in the tank their entire production runs (they can't even hit 800 units/month lmao). It took a couple years, but only now is MT discussing the Caddys' pitfalls whether it be shoddy transmissions, mediocre engines, mediocre interiors, etc.

[mirob]

It's mainly an AR Giulia QF review with an M3 ZCP track comparison.

Enjoy!

[GuidoK]

Originally Posted by Lobb

We will only get the 8AT in the UK

Yeah but thats punishment for driving on the wrong side of the road

[VanosKickedInYo]

Considering Motortrend is equivalent to fox news...

They couldn't get Randy Pobst to show how dominating the Alfa is with its aggressive R compound tires over the M3 with its street tires...

The Quadrifoglio is an amazing vehicle. Lovely engine indeed.

But even that 3 year gap can't dethrone the King of its class.

[Mantii]

Just watched the video. Alfa is lovely but the M3 still rules. Put on the same tires and the gap widens. So much for the 505hp. But I am glad the Alfa exists- Because BMW knows that competition is catching up and they will have to make a product that truly stands out again in this segment.

[mc3456]

Originally Posted by Germanauto

Problem with the Alfa is that it's interior is more befitting of a competitor to the E90 than the F30, it's reliability will be horrid, and residuals will be in the tank.

I'd surely like to drive one, but there's no denying a beautiful Yas Marina Blue ///M3 is heads and shoulders the superior all-around car.

I don't care what MT has to say because they have no credibility. They raved over the ATS and CTS yet sales have been in the tank their entire production runs (they can't even hit 800 units/month lmao). It took a couple years, but only now is MT discussing the Caddys' pitfalls whether it be shoddy transmissions, mediocre engines, mediocre interiors, etc.

However, unlike Motor Trend, YOU have greater credibility. Thought that's what you said!

[JDE92M3]

I got love for both vehicles. But to compare a car on track with a tread rating of 60 vs 200. It's not really a good comparison, apples to oranges if you ask me. I love competition it just means the future vehicles have to be that much better. I'm not a BMW fanboy, I want to love the Alfa or some other make as much if not more than the M3. It's just that companies now are just starting to catch up, but no one is truly dethroning the M3 haha. There are "pros" in a lot of sport sedans of different makes, but the all around car is still the M3.

And anyone care to explain how the Alfa pulled off a "13 second" faster Nurburgring time than the M3. But so far in every track battle comparison the M3 is dead even, if not faster than the Alfa? That's a serious question, not trying to be condescending at all haha.

JD

[The Automotive Enthusiast]

[mc3456]

Originally Posted by JDE92M3

I got love for both vehicles. But to compare a car on track with a tread rating of 60 vs 200. It's not really a good comparison, apples to oranges if you ask me. I love competition it just means the future vehicles have to be that much better. I'm not a BMW fanboy, I want to love the Alfa or some other make as much if not more than the M3. It's just that companies now are just starting to catch up, but no one is truly dethroning the M3 haha. There are "pros" in a lot of sport sedans of different makes, but the all around car is still the M3.

And anyone care to explain how the Alfa pulled off a "13 second" faster Nurburgring time than the M3. But so far in every track battle comparison the M3 is dead even, if not faster than the Alfa? That's a serious question, not trying to be condescending at all haha.

JD

The best way to answer that is the magazine track tests to date are relatively short and much less demanding than the green hell. A cars true colors are exposed on the Nurburgring. The M3 is no longer ahead, but it's not way behind either. It's still an amazing car in need of a more advanced drivetrain and updated engine. If the rumors of an S58 are true, that ought to help. Let's just hope it doesn't sound as shitty as the S55. Lots of room for improvement On that front.

[CanAutM3]

Originally Posted by mc3456

The best way to answer that is the magazine track tests to date are relatively short and much less demanding than the green hell. A cars true colors are exposed on the Nurburgring. The M3 is no longer ahead, but it's not way behind either. It's still an amazing car in need of a more advanced drivetrain and updated engine. If the rumors of an S58 are true, that ought to help. Let's just hope it doesn't sound as shitty as the S55. Lots of room for improvement On that front.

Let's wait until Sport Auto Supertest the Giulia-Q before we make firm conclusions on 'ring times.

BTW, IMO, an S58 in unlikely for the F8X generation...

[mc3456]

Originally Posted by CanAutM3

Let's wait until Sport Auto Supertest the Giulia-Q before we make firm conclusions on 'ring times.

BTW, IMO, an S58 in unlikely for the F8X generation...

Honestly, does whoever sets the fastest ring time really matter to you in your everyday life? I highly doubt it. Don't miss out on a chance to check out a great car in the Quadrafoglio based on some yet to be determined ring test by one magazine. Is their opinion going to dictate your life and reverse the positive reviews of countless other reviewers and former M3 owners that have already jumped into a Quadrafoglio? Do you think we would gone from reasonable M3 leases into expensive purchases if the car was not more entertaining and capable???

[///M-er-gized]

It looks like a Pontiac and a Lexus had sex with each other, and this is what came out.

[Polopolisgeorge]

Originally Posted by VanosKickedInYo

Considering Motortrend is equivalent to fox news...

They couldn't get Randy Pobst to show how dominating the Alfa is with its aggressive R compound tires over the M3 with its street tires...

The Quadrifoglio is an amazing vehicle. Lovely engine indeed.

But even that 3 year gap can't dethrone the King of its class.

What happened to Randy? They used to have him talk about the cars too. Seems like he hasn't gotten many lines since the episode where he liked the M4 while the others were busy hating it.

[CanAutM3]

Originally Posted by mc3456

Honestly, does whoever sets the fastest ring time really matter to you in your everyday life? I highly doubt it. Don't miss out on a chance to check out a great car in the Quadrafoglio based on some yet to be determined ring test by one magazine. Is their opinion going to dictate your life and reverse the positive reviews of countless other reviewers and former M3 owners that have already jumped into a Quadrafoglio? Do you think we would gone from reasonable M3 leases into expensive purchases if the car was not more entertaining and capable???

No, 'ring times should not be the only deciding factor in a car purchase. I never said that.

I have no doubts that the Giulia-Q is a great car. Enjoy in good health

[sjuhawks19]

I can't stand Jason Camissa.

[AIRPOWER]

Personally, I think it's sexy and you cant deny that performance. I'm glad to see AR back into the NA market as strong as this...competition is a good thing!

I was going to say if they used a non-CP M3, the gap could have been greater.....but I don't want to open that can of worms as this thread is about the Gulia!

[Dethsupp0rt]

Originally Posted by AIRPOWER

I was going to say if they used a non-CP M3, the gap could have been greater.....but I don't want to open that can of worms as this thread is about the Gulia!

It's an impressive machine. It was only .2 seconds faster than the M around the Top Gear track, so they're actually a bit closer in performance than one would think.

I might buy one pre-owned in a few years, if they haven't fallen apart. I wouldn't buy one new though.

[mc3456]

Not sure what to believe anymore because the Giulia beat the M3 in the first multicar comparo. This is like the 2nd or 3rd track test by MT of the two cars.