Engine malfunction! Flat tyre malfunction DSC malfunction!

Ronson71 · 06-22-2015, 02:29 PM

Hi
Get these messages sometimes and the engine goes into limpmode.
Can clear with OBD or turn of the car for a wile and the it works again.

Any guess what causses this problem ?

kb9uwu · 06-22-2015, 03:54 PM

I get these 3 codes once a week. First time car went into limp mode, I had car towed to dealer (dumb move) only for them to say "we cleared your faults, here's your diagnostic fee, nothing found." A few days later it happens again.

grantmax · 06-23-2015, 12:26 AM

Ruh roh. This smacks of rod bearings. Good luck, OP! We're pulling for you.

BzsBimmer · 06-23-2015, 12:59 AM

What are the codes?
I'm wondering if this is a symptom of the DSC module. $$ to replace I've read.
IIRC the unit needs to be welded and coded to your vehicle.

Ronson71 · 06-23-2015, 01:13 AM

Hi i recive these codes when i run it with carlys fault seeker

Jsantos · 06-23-2015, 01:13 AM

Did you ever go back to them?

BzsBimmer · 06-23-2015, 01:51 AM

Fault: Rear left wheel speed sensor pulses Code: 5DB2
http://www.m3post.com/forums/showthread.php?t=681976
http://www.m3post.com/forums/showthread.php?t=948107

27A2
http://www.m3post.com/forums/showthread.php?t=729315

Now an interesting thing comes up, I think all of your errors come up possibly being attributed to your throttle valve actuator/s

kb9uwu · 06-23-2015, 08:55 AM

my random codes are CC-ID 31 (DME/DDE 31 Engine Problem, Increased Emissions)
CC-ID 35 (DSC Failed)

Per last dealer invoice "Throttle Sensor fault found, occurred 1 time, cleared fault memory, did not reoccur, no repairs needed at this time"

Time for a pair of throttle actuators?

Isiscool · 06-23-2015, 03:38 PM

Seems like your getting all the codes I did when my actuator went, only happened recently to me also. Apparently they can be on and off like that but then just go altogether after a few weeks as others have seen. I had code checked and sorted it straight away, throttle actuator bank 1 was at fault. It has been replaced and issue sorted.

Isiscool · 06-23-2015, 03:41 PM

http://www.m3post.com/forums/showthread.php?t=729315

Searched for one of your motor codes and this showed up, more than likely an actuator gone.

Ronson71 · 06-24-2015, 07:41 AM

Why alarm for Flat tyre monitor if it is the Throttle actuator ?

kenwelch · 06-24-2015, 10:17 AM

With the collection of CAN faults, steering angle sensor time-out, and the large collection of codes. Start with the easy tests:
1. Check the battery with a reliable battery capacity tester. (not just a volt meter)
2. Run a complete charging system test. Some battery testers will do this also.
3. If battery and charging system are good, check for voltage drop at the battery connections.

Battery, charging system, and voltage problem with often cause multiple error codes. Some members also noted that the clock needed resetting often.

Ronson71 · 06-24-2015, 11:16 AM

The problem only appers during startup and never during driving
Does that help to find the problem?

kb9uwu · 06-24-2015, 12:07 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ronson71

The problem only appers during startup and never during driving
Does that help to find the problem?

My similar problem/codes always happen about 10 minutes after starting. Normally at a red light. Always fun trying to pull away in limp mode. Usually after turning off the car and letting the car sit for a few minutes time, the codes go away and the engine returns to normal operation.

Will start looking for low mileage actuators on the used market

Ronson71 · 06-24-2015, 01:49 PM

My problems only happens direct at startup

kb9uwu · 06-29-2015, 08:46 AM

Got these codes frequently this weekend. Sometimes removing key and restarting would clear it up. Hopefully taking car into dealer this week. Not knowing when the car will randomly go into limp mode is getting old. I'll try to pull specific codes with BMWhat tonight.

DSC 24 DBC Dynamic Brake Control Brake Assist Failed
DME/DDE 29 Engine Problem, Power Reduced
DME/DDE 31 Engine Problem, Increased Emissions
DSC 35 DSC Failed
DSC 354 Start Assist Inactive

kb9uwu · 06-29-2015, 01:22 PM

here's what BMWhat says..

Engine:
Fan motor 2 is activated (code 0027A2)
check at lower top (002B57)
Predriver check throttle valve actuator (002B22)

ABS/DSC Brake:
Engine torque is not adjustable CAN (005E19)

Throttle actuators!

alpina-527 · 07-06-2015, 05:09 AM

Next time the car is in limp mode, turn ignition on until the exclamation mark appears without the engine running. Then get someone to push the throttle while you peer under the plenum to see if the throttle levers are moving.

The drivers side (on an RHD car)is easy to see but passenger side needs a torch.

If one side isn't working, that's your problem. You need an actuator on that side.

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Ronson71 New Member 3 Rep 16 Posts Drives: BMW M3 E92 Join Date: Jun 2014 Location: Sweden iTrader: (0)	Engine malfunction! Flat tyre malfunction DSC malfunction! Hi Get these messages sometimes and the engine goes into limpmode. Can clear with OBD or turn of the car for a wile and the it works again. Any guess what causses this problem ? Attached Images
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kb9uwu Supreme Czar 309 Rep 779 Posts Drives: AW E90 M3 6MT (GONE) Join Date: Oct 2014 Location: Central Illinois iTrader: (0)	I get these 3 codes once a week. First time car went into limp mode, I had car towed to dealer (dumb move) only for them to say "we cleared your faults, here's your diagnostic fee, nothing found." A few days later it happens again.
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06-23-2015, 12:26 AM	#3
grantmax Lieutenant Colonel 142 Rep 1,637 Posts Drives: 2011 M3 ZCP Join Date: Mar 2011 Location: LA iTrader: (1)	Ruh roh. This smacks of rod bearings. Good luck, OP! We're pulling for you.
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BzsBimmer Major General 3274 Rep 6,723 Posts Drives: '23 G80 FO M3, M3 & MY Tezzy's Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Nor. Cal iTrader: (32)	What are the codes? I'm wondering if this is a symptom of the DSC module. $$ to replace I've read. IIRC the unit needs to be welded and coded to your vehicle.
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06-23-2015, 01:13 AM	#6
Jsantos Private First Class 35 Rep 144 Posts Drives: E90 M3 SSII 6MT Join Date: Jun 2015 Location: San Francisco CA iTrader: (0) Garage List 2008 E90 M3 [0.00] 2006 E90 330i [0.00]	Did you ever go back to them?
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BzsBimmer Major General 3274 Rep 6,723 Posts Drives: '23 G80 FO M3, M3 & MY Tezzy's Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Nor. Cal iTrader: (32)	Fault: Rear left wheel speed sensor pulses Code: 5DB2 http://www.m3post.com/forums/showthread.php?t=681976 http://www.m3post.com/forums/showthread.php?t=948107 27A2 http://www.m3post.com/forums/showthread.php?t=729315 Now an interesting thing comes up, I think all of your errors come up possibly being attributed to your throttle valve actuator/s
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06-23-2015, 08:55 AM	#8
kb9uwu Supreme Czar 309 Rep 779 Posts Drives: AW E90 M3 6MT (GONE) Join Date: Oct 2014 Location: Central Illinois iTrader: (0)	my random codes are CC-ID 31 (DME/DDE 31 Engine Problem, Increased Emissions) CC-ID 35 (DSC Failed) Per last dealer invoice "Throttle Sensor fault found, occurred 1 time, cleared fault memory, did not reoccur, no repairs needed at this time" Time for a pair of throttle actuators?
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06-23-2015, 03:38 PM	#9
Isiscool Registered 2 Rep 4 Posts Drives: 08 e92 m3 Join Date: Jun 2015 Location: Ireland iTrader: (0)	Seems like your getting all the codes I did when my actuator went, only happened recently to me also. Apparently they can be on and off like that but then just go altogether after a few weeks as others have seen. I had code checked and sorted it straight away, throttle actuator bank 1 was at fault. It has been replaced and issue sorted.
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Isiscool Registered 2 Rep 4 Posts Drives: 08 e92 m3 Join Date: Jun 2015 Location: Ireland iTrader: (0)	http://www.m3post.com/forums/showthread.php?t=729315 Searched for one of your motor codes and this showed up, more than likely an actuator gone.
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06-24-2015, 07:41 AM	#11
Ronson71 New Member 3 Rep 16 Posts Drives: BMW M3 E92 Join Date: Jun 2014 Location: Sweden iTrader: (0)	Why alarm for Flat tyre monitor if it is the Throttle actuator ?
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06-24-2015, 10:17 AM	#12
kenwelch Lieutenant 96 Rep 545 Posts Drives: 2008 E92 M3 M-DCT & 2017 440GC Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: Mission Viejo, CA iTrader: (0)	With the collection of CAN faults, steering angle sensor time-out, and the large collection of codes. Start with the easy tests: 1. Check the battery with a reliable battery capacity tester. (not just a volt meter) 2. Run a complete charging system test. Some battery testers will do this also. 3. If battery and charging system are good, check for voltage drop at the battery connections. Battery, charging system, and voltage problem with often cause multiple error codes. Some members also noted that the clock needed resetting often.
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06-24-2015, 11:16 AM	#13
Ronson71 New Member 3 Rep 16 Posts Drives: BMW M3 E92 Join Date: Jun 2014 Location: Sweden iTrader: (0)	The problem only appers during startup and never during driving Does that help to find the problem?
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Ronson71 New Member 3 Rep 16 Posts Drives: BMW M3 E92 Join Date: Jun 2014 Location: Sweden iTrader: (0)	My problems only happens direct at startup
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06-29-2015, 08:46 AM	#16
kb9uwu Supreme Czar 309 Rep 779 Posts Drives: AW E90 M3 6MT (GONE) Join Date: Oct 2014 Location: Central Illinois iTrader: (0)	Got these codes frequently this weekend. Sometimes removing key and restarting would clear it up. Hopefully taking car into dealer this week. Not knowing when the car will randomly go into limp mode is getting old. I'll try to pull specific codes with BMWhat tonight. DSC 24 DBC Dynamic Brake Control Brake Assist Failed DME/DDE 29 Engine Problem, Power Reduced DME/DDE 31 Engine Problem, Increased Emissions DSC 35 DSC Failed DSC 354 Start Assist Inactive
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kb9uwu Supreme Czar 309 Rep 779 Posts Drives: AW E90 M3 6MT (GONE) Join Date: Oct 2014 Location: Central Illinois iTrader: (0)	here's what BMWhat says.. Engine: Fan motor 2 is activated (code 0027A2) check at lower top (002B57) Predriver check throttle valve actuator (002B22) ABS/DSC Brake: Engine torque is not adjustable CAN (005E19) Throttle actuators! Last edited by kb9uwu; 06-29-2015 at 01:26 PM.. Reason: removed ? after throttle actuators :)
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07-06-2015, 05:09 AM	#18
alpina-527 Private First Class 35 Rep 100 Posts Drives: E92 M3 Join Date: Aug 2014 Location: England iTrader: (1)	Next time the car is in limp mode, turn ignition on until the exclamation mark appears without the engine running. Then get someone to push the throttle while you peer under the plenum to see if the throttle levers are moving. The drivers side (on an RHD car)is easy to see but passenger side needs a torch. If one side isn't working, that's your problem. You need an actuator on that side.
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