Need more Ponies!...and advice!

WRichieX · 04-29-2014, 01:03 PM

Hey guys, so I need some advice. When I bought my car, I specifically looked for one that has the PPK v2 as I told myself that I wasn't going to mod my car anymore and just work on cosmetics. I was lying to myself. After 10 months of ownership I have now got the performance bug and want...nay...need more POWER!!! lol

I read a bunch of reviews on here of different products but wanted to get your input on how I should go about it. Also, I'm wondering because I have PPK if it will get in the way of other mods (will a tune just override the ppk tune? also if I do decide to go back, will it revert back to the ppk tune?). I'd like to retain as much of the PPK as possible.

I plan on going FBO, then a tune (JB4 or Cobb). With the FBO, what order should I attack this? I do really miss the sound of turbo spool so thinking of intake first. From what I read it seems that BMS, AFE, etc. are all pretty similar in gains/hold. correct me if I'm wrong.

Then CP (are they all pretty much the same? ER seems to be popular here), forged dv (or maybe throw in a BOV in there) actually probably do this together with intake since it's exposed anyways.

Then FMIC. Haven't decided which yet. Opinions welcome.

DP...this is where I'm a bit confused, does the PE exhaust have an upgraded DP? Couldn't find info on this. I have to replace my tstat and wp soon so depending on if I need a new dp, then might just do this all together while under the car.

Next question, it seems that with fbo and tune on pump gas people are getting around 350-360ish whp. Does that sound about right? To get over that 400 mark do we need to upgrade turbos?

Appreciate any help. Thanks.

tc535i · 04-29-2014, 01:05 PM

PE is behind the DP, not including

tc535i · 04-29-2014, 01:06 PM

you can hit 400 with a backend flash and e85 tune

foghat · 04-29-2014, 01:08 PM

no exhaust systems that I know of include down pipes. PE definitely does not. They are a separate purchase.

Depending on dyno you can be at 400whp with 93 octane gas and fbo. See my sig.

Once you go down pipe you are going to need a tune right away to prevent the o2 codes that will get thrown with a dp.

I personally prefer a tune (cobb) vs. piggyback (jb4). Lot's of opinions on this, do your research and make a decision. Can't really go wrong either way.

WRichieX · 04-29-2014, 01:11 PM

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Originally Posted by tc535i

PE is behind the DP, not including

That sucks!

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Originally Posted by tc535i

you can hit 400 with a backend flash and e85 tune

to the wheel?! that seems high.Plus I read that you need to play around with the tun to run e85 right. Could be disastrous. I could have read it wrong. Plus I don't know anywhere around me that has e85.

WRichieX · 04-29-2014, 01:13 PM

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Originally Posted by foghat

no exhaust systems that I know of include down pipes. PE definitely does not. They are a separate purchase.

Depending on dyno you can be at 400whp with 93 octane gas and fbo. See my sig.

Once you go down pipe you are going to need a tune right away to prevent the o2 codes that will get thrown with a dp.

I personally prefer a tune (cobb) vs. piggyback (jb4). Lot's of opinions on this, do your research and make a decision. Can't really go wrong either way.

Hmm. I guess that's why i've read that a lot of people go tune first before anything. Thanks.

foghat · 04-29-2014, 01:15 PM

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Originally Posted by WRichieX

That sucks!

to the wheel?! that seems high.Plus I read that you need to play around with the tun to run e85 right. Could be disastrous. I could have read it wrong. Plus I don't know anywhere around me that has e85.

400 to the wheels on a dynojet can be done without e85 or meth.

Every dyno reads different. While it is fun to throw out dyno numbers, they are a tuning tool. trap speed is what will tell you what you are really making. Too bad the track by my place shut down right around the time I got my car.

tc535i · 04-29-2014, 01:16 PM

tune on an otherwise stock car turns the boost up 4-6psi and nets you an easy 50-60 hp or so, best bang for the buck out there when you consider all the other benefits of units like JB4 (gauge jacking for psi/IAT/etc, code reading ability, USB datalogging, etc)

foghat · 04-29-2014, 01:17 PM

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Originally Posted by WRichieX

Hmm. I guess that's why i've read that a lot of people go tune first before anything. Thanks.

Tune really is the best bang for the buck - even on an otherwise stock car. I would definitely get one first.

Bimmerlover77 · 04-29-2014, 01:22 PM

Think your best bet is a 4x4 truck with a lift kit! Or just buy a boat!

WRichieX · 04-29-2014, 01:23 PM

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Originally Posted by tc535i

tune on an otherwise stock car turns the boost up 4-6psi and nets you an easy 50-60 hp or so, best bang for the buck out there when you consider all the other benefits of units like JB4 (gauge jacking for psi/IAT/etc, code reading ability, USB datalogging, etc)

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Originally Posted by foghat

Tune really is the best bang for the buck - even on an otherwise stock car. I would definitely get one first.

So with a tune or piggyback system, can I revert back to my ppk tune if I want?

tc535i · 04-29-2014, 01:25 PM

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Originally Posted by WRichieX

So with a tune or piggyback system, can I revert back to my ppk tune if I want?

you can go back to a stock tune, there's even a tune that disables the turbos and drives your car like a 330 pretty much

WRichieX · 04-29-2014, 01:31 PM

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Originally Posted by tc535i

you can go back to a stock tune, there's even a tune that disables the turbos and drives your car like a 330 pretty much

Interesting...but what' the fun in that? lol. Appreciate the help btw.

foghat · 04-29-2014, 01:33 PM

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Originally Posted by WRichieX

So with a tune or piggyback system, can I revert back to my ppk tune if I want?

With Jb4 for sure yes.

I am not sure with cobb. I know if you were to have a non-bmw tune on your car beforehand the cobb does not save that tune and will install a base tune if you unmarry it. Not sure if ppk is treated differently and saved.

I'd get in touch with cobb on that one.

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