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      01-14-2014, 09:42 AM   #1
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Who is cross shopping the new Z06 against the M4?

I have had my license over 15 years and the new Z06 could be my first american car. Yesterday was a very proud day for americans.
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      01-14-2014, 09:51 AM   #2
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As a European member I can understand your being proud !

I`m a Bimmer fan myself, but the all new Corvette is an outstanding high performance supercar IMHO, really the 1st American car I do want

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      01-14-2014, 10:00 AM   #3
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Get a GM discount, and they are even cheaper to own.

That pic is the Z06, not the base Motor Trend Car of the Year Stingray. Which, will still probably eat up a M4. These two cars will go head-to-head in many shootouts over the years to come.
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      01-14-2014, 10:08 AM   #4
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Hell of a performance car and likely value, but if you're cross shopping you don't have a clear focus on what you want/need - totally different. I had a '69 Camaro but that was my last American car. Looks like Detroit is definitely competitive on the world stage in some areas now, but I'm not a Chevy guy any more, and need a car with more utility and that attracts less attention from the blue light guys.
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      01-14-2014, 10:11 AM   #5
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A 2-seater is a very different vehicle than a 2+2 or four door sedan. One is a touring machine, one is not.
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      01-14-2014, 10:15 AM   #6
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A 2-seater is a very different vehicle than a 2+2 or four door sedan. One is a touring machine, one is not.
Most people car shop on affordability. At least I know I do. 911 have backseats too but I would definitely compare it to a Z06.
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      01-14-2014, 11:31 AM   #7
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I don't see how you can cross-shop these two equally great cars???

Totally different target audience ~ I love this new Vette but it would have to replace one of my 2-seater sports cars. Not even close to an M3 that serves duty as my DD to work with kids in tow.

This makes as much sense as comparing the GTR or Viper to the M3....
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      01-14-2014, 11:36 AM   #8
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This where I am torn. I really want to love the M4 F8X! I need a 4 seater for my 2 kids. But BMW fails miserably I will keep my M3 E90 as my daily driver and get the ZO6 as the weekend car.

I prefer to retire my M3 to be the weekend car and get the new F83 when it comes out. But I am cross shopping the Lexus RC-F. Or I may bail and go Audi, but from what I hear their reliability is wors than BMW. The C63 is also Choice. I cross shopped them last time.

Worst case scenario I sell or trade in my E90 and get the 911 S! Or I may just get the 550i as originally planned before I got into performance vehicles and switched to the M3.

Lots of choices to be sure. I just hope The F8X delivers so I don't have to waste my time.
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      01-14-2014, 11:47 AM   #9
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I think the Z06 looks great. Personally though I want my sport car to look small when behind the wheel Vettes just look too big compared to the competition with rear and mid engines. M3s of the past also look tight with maximized cabin, with good view over a smallish front end. The Z06 sure looks mean and distinctively American though. Nice car.
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a lot of BMW M guys buy these cars for more than just performance. they are easy to drive everyday, seat more people, look really nice. and still pack a lot of fun.

for me what kills the F80 Ms is the engine. a 3.0L 6 line engine doesn't appeal to me. I am not really going to cross shop a corvette. i am just going to buy a corvette without even having a M4 in mind.
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      01-14-2014, 12:47 PM   #11
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The new 'Vette is a nice car. Certainly, the best thing to come out of Detroit in a LONG time. Good performance, good value, looks better, maybe isn't as cheap looking/plasticky (or literally plastic when it comes to body panels) as various previous versions...). On a pure 'paper/merits' basis, it is a solid choice.

That said......yeah.....I'm not 100% convinced yet it will get past the existing image issues.

As a result of nearly every single Corvette I have seen in the last 15 years, the Corvette buying demographic is firmly and clearly painted in my mind as:

- 50+ years old
- probably balding
- shiny shoes
- barbie doll wife/girlfriend
- Grade 7-ish education
- and I could go on. and on. and on. and on.

In brief: I don't remember the last time I saw one that didn't scream "DB trying to recapture some long distant youth".

(put another way, to borrow from my tumblr blog, on every Corvette I see I expect to find a vanity plate like this: http://myzmak.tumblr.com/tagged/corvette)

I want to find those people and eliminate them from the gene pool. Think of how much better we'd be as a species.....

Maybe this is changing though.

Maybe a new car will turn that all around.

Maybe people with a modicum of sophistication will buy the Stingray.

Maybe an image can be changed (Audi went from 'who? oh. right. hahahaha' 20 years ago to a legit-ish contender with MB and BMW).

But it isn't there yet, and if I'm gonna drop $70k, I'm not gonna be the one to change that image....(assuming, of course, you believe that I'm not a 50+ balding trophy wife sporting fellow....)

So, no. I'll leave the Stingray to others.

ps - none of which is to say BMW owners don't have their own problems with image, including the horrific use/application of vanity plates...... http://myzmak.tumblr.com/tagged/bmw .....<shudder>

I guess what I am saying is, cars do say something about who we are, and if I'm gonna 'self-identify' in a nice car, I'd rather be an M3 owner (with whatever all that means) than a Corvette owner
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      01-14-2014, 12:51 PM   #12
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The Z06 is going to be 100k$ according to this
http://www.nydailynews.com/autos/aut...icle-1.1577829
I don t see how you can cross shop a car that is 35k more expensive
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      01-14-2014, 01:03 PM   #13
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The Z06 is not a Corvette with nice wheels and +15 HP. It is a hardcore track beast with signficant upgrades all the way around.

The M4 Comp Package will not compete with a Z06. It's doubtful that BMW would come out with anything as extreme as the Z06 for the M4. There is no cross shopping to be done here. Different category of cars.
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The Z06 is going to be 100k$ according to this
http://www.nydailynews.com/autos/aut...icle-1.1577829
I don t see how you can cross shop a car that is 35k more expensive
You're comparing the bottom end M3 price with the top end Z06 price. They said fully loaded would be 100k.
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The Z06 is going to be 100k$ according to this
http://www.nydailynews.com/autos/aut...icle-1.1577829
I don t see how you can cross shop a car that is 35k more expensive
They're wrong. According to this article, Tadge (lead designer) said that if you can afford the old ZO6, you'd be able to afford the new one, indicating only a small price increase.

http://www.caranddriver.com/news/201...-and-info-news

This would make sense, given that the 2014 Corvette Stringray is only about 2k more than the 2013 base corvette. So yeah, the new ZO6 will start at 77 - 79k I'm sure. Factor in the generally faster depreciation and higher maintenance costs of BMWs, and it's not unreasonable to compare this (on price) to a new M3/M4.
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The Z06 is not a Corvette with nice wheels and +15 HP. It is a hardcore track beast with signficant upgrades all the way around.

The M4 Comp Package will not compete with a Z06. It's doubtful that BMW would come out with anything as extreme as the Z06 for the M4. There is no cross shopping to be done here. Different category of cars.
The 'regular' Corvette will outperform the M4, the Z06 is in another world. Realistically, this car will compete with Ferraris and Lambos and quite probably beat up on cars costing double the price.

Just think of what the ZR1 did and they're saying this will be better.
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Im cross shopping. I will keep my 135i as the daily driver. I don't have kids so I don't care about back seats. Honestly, I have always wanted an M3/M4 but the C7 is very appealing. One thing that does keep me going back to the M3 is the fact I have a military down payment on the car and get it cheaper. However, If the price isn't significantly less I might end up with the c7.
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I have both a new M4 & Z06 on order.These are 2 totally different cars and do not even merit comparison.I have had 3 previous Corvettes that I enjoyed but never served the same purpose as the M cars that I have owned in the last 25 + years.I think this new Z06 will be an awesome track beast which be its main purpose for owning IMO.The M4 will be a great allround car that will be a good track car.
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CEO of GM said that if you could afford a C6 ZR1 you'll be able to afford the C7 Z06. I'm thinking loaded it will be 110kish

Base M4 is 63...not really in the same ballpark price wise.
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The new 'Vette is a nice car. Certainly, the best thing to come out of Detroit in a LONG time. Good performance, good value, looks better, maybe isn't as cheap looking/plasticky (or literally plastic when it comes to body panels) as various previous versions...). On a pure 'paper/merits' basis, it is a solid choice.

That said......yeah.....I'm not 100% convinced yet it will get past the existing image issues.

As a result of nearly every single Corvette I have seen in the last 15 years, the Corvette buying demographic is firmly and clearly painted in my mind as:

- 50+ years old
- probably balding
- shiny shoes
- barbie doll wife/girlfriend
- Grade 7-ish education
- and I could go on. and on. and on. and on.

In brief: I don't remember the last time I saw one that didn't scream "DB trying to recapture some long distant youth".

(put another way, to borrow from my tumblr blog, on every Corvette I see I expect to find a vanity plate like this: http://myzmak.tumblr.com/tagged/corvette)

I want to find those people and eliminate them from the gene pool. Think of how much better we'd be as a species.....

Maybe this is changing though.

Maybe a new car will turn that all around.

Maybe people with a modicum of sophistication will buy the Stingray.

Maybe an image can be changed (Audi went from 'who? oh. right. hahahaha' 20 years ago to a legit-ish contender with MB and BMW).

But it isn't there yet, and if I'm gonna drop $70k, I'm not gonna be the one to change that image....(assuming, of course, you believe that I'm not a 50+ balding trophy wife sporting fellow....)

So, no. I'll leave the Stingray to others.

ps - none of which is to say BMW owners don't have their own problems with image, including the horrific use/application of vanity plates...... http://myzmak.tumblr.com/tagged/bmw .....<shudder>

I guess what I am saying is, cars do say something about who we are, and if I'm gonna 'self-identify' in a nice car, I'd rather be an M3 owner (with whatever all that means) than a Corvette owner

I will tell you this. being in my 20s. everyone i know think vettes are just badass. guys love them, chicks love them... they have loud V8 engines, and look like the batmobile. low aggressive stance etc

I will admit i do see where you get that image from, and i have seen that guy in a vert vette driving around.

I think corvettes are liked by "younger people" teenager-20s or those guys you described.

because honestly i am not sure i could see my self with a family, and a respectable job driving around in a Z06 vette.

but right now all i want is loud, fast and cool looking cars. ATM no kids, no family, just fun. (again youth talking)
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I believe any cross shopping will be between the M4 and C7 Stingray, not Z06. The Z06 is in another league. Compared to the Stingray, the M4, and more so the M3, are more practical cars with their proper back seat and larger trunk.

Performance-wise the M3/M4 are on par with the Stingray although the Vette is likely a little better than the BMWs. But we still have yet to see how well the M3/M4 do. Wouldn't that be something if the M3/M4 surpassed the Vettes performance? But the BMWs will be far outclassed by the Z06.


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I believe any cross shopping will be between the M4 and C7 Stingray, not Z06. The Z06 is in another league. Compared to the Stingray, the M4, and more so the M3, are more practical cars with their proper back seat and larger trunk.

Performance-wise the M3/M4 are on par with the Stingray although the Vette is likely a little better than the BMWs. But we still have yet to see how well the M3/M4 do. Wouldn't that be something if the M3/M4 surpassed the Vettes performance? But the BMWs will be far outclassed by the Z06.


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