[iDriveSlo]

Well at the Behest of Tony I am posting some new info here for everyone. I should have been more on top of this but have had a lot going on that has kept me far to busy to be posting non stop updates so here it goes.


Car:
Vargas Stage 2 turbos with upgraded thrust parts
VRSF 7" FMIC
Vargas upgraded HPFP
Standalone Walbro 450LPH e85 pump
BMS Catless downpipes (thermal coated in & out)
BMS DCI
BMS OCC
BMS oil thermostat mod
RB Turbo PCV fix
Quaife LSD
6AT with Alpina Flash


Stock catback exhaust
Stock 193m wheels with 255/40 conti sport contact 3's
Stock charge pipe
No Meth


JB4 G4 board hooked up for canflap/gauge hijacking/quick logging(no tuning use currently)
Cobb AP Protune by Dzenno@ptf
Car is currently tuned for E50 and peak boost of 20PSI tapering to 18 at redline with max timing advance around 14 degrees (need to verify, sorry so many tune revisions I sometimes forget)

To preface the following info. The dyno is a Mustang dyno, it does not read high. We have personally verified this in the past by dynoing one of our cars on back to back days, first at sound performance on the mustang and the next day in same weather conditions at a different mustang which read even higher.

The pull was done during a dyno day open house, I unfortunately only got one good pull in as they asked my buddy and I to jump on unplanned just to add a few cars to the list for the day. We got the one pull in, and afterward the shop crew got tied up taking care of something for about 10 minutes and left my car idling on the dyno when we did the second pull the guy smashed the gas and hit kickdown ruining the pull, and by the third it was so heat soaked it wasn't worth saving the run.

I spun in 4th a little bit and the car pulled a couple of pounds of boost and some timing but still made 483rwhp
It is the only place my car has ever dynod.
They were as follows
First time(sep 12)
JB4 only 30%e85mix 386whp map 5
second time(feb 12)
added downpipes dyno in map 2 on only 93 octane 338whp Dyno again in map 4(stock map) 297whp which is spot on for stock map with downpipes
Third time(jun 12)
FBO as listed above 50% e85 483whp

So on this same dyno I have a 186WHP delta from my baseline of stock map+catlessdownpipes


SKIP TO 5:51 TO SEE ME DYNO direct time links dont work

Also got out to the track recently, I was running on the stock wheels with 255 width summer tires. Car ran in the 11's all day with 4 of my 6 passes in the 11.80's
Ambient temperature was 79-84 most of the day with track temps near 100 and humidity of about 70%

I asked this caliber for a money race... he declined. We ended up lining up together by chance lol

[Tiago@VRSF]

Nice numbers! Any interest in swapping your current 7" for the newest generation? A bit less pressure drop and a couple extra cooling rows should help you a bit.

[triggz]

You need meth if you don't want to heatsoak. Fmic can only do so much.

[Timore]

Please get it on a dynojet! Your probably gonna make around 520!

[JStang]

Very nice! Good to see some more data added to the limited amount available. I expected trap speeds to be a few mph higher though.

[ChuckD05]

Originally Posted by Timore

Please get it on a dynojet! Your probably gonna make around 520!

if that was the case his trap would be much higher, even in a 2000 DA

[E90Company]

Not bad!

[ChuckD05]

at 2350 DA Dragtimes calculator shows these corrections on july 1 at tri county track which is just one random track i picked in IL on the 1st of July


Stock and Mildly Modified Naturally Aspirated Engines
11.468 @ 122.917 MPH

Extensively Modified Naturally Aspirated Engines
11.581 @ 121.761 MPH

Extensively Modified Supercharged and Turbocharged Engines
11.676 @ 120.642 MPH

[akotten]

Originally Posted by Tiago@VRSF

Nice numbers! Any interest in swapping your current 7" for the newest generation? A bit less pressure drop and a couple extra cooling rows should help you a bit.

Where can I find more info on this?

[buster84]

You have two threads?? LOL.

http://www.e90post.com/forums/showthread.php?t=863058

[Slidewayz]

Honest question (not trolling/flaming)...

How much better is this than the stock turbos with the same mods, octane, and E85 mix ?

I thought there were stock turbo FBO cars with E85 well into the low-mid 400 WHP ?

[buster84]

Originally Posted by Slidewayz

Honest question (not trolling/flaming)...

How much better is this than the stock turbos with the same mods, octane, and E85 mix ?

I thought there were stock turbo FBO cars with E85 well into the low-mid 400 WHP ?

Its hard to say, but for a $2500+ upgrade its not worth it to me at least. I guess to some it could be. 100hp for $2500 just to barley reach 510hp 530tq and most are running meth to get there.

Same goes with RB turbos. We spent $500 for our first 100hp, then $2500 for the other? Thats seems wrong if you ask me.

If it was me, I'd rather pay someone to custom build me a Single turbo setup with a monster turbo for 5k-6k and get well over 600rhwp. Then if the turbo is big enough you can get the rest of the supporting mods and break into the 700+ range.

So far I've only seen a few threads of people attempting it. Seems promising and seems like the new way to go. All it takes is mass producing this monster.

Now this is a way better way to spend your thousands!! I love the top mount idea! Seems perfect for cheap install of turbo upgrades, rebuilds ect...

Although for someone living in CA this might not be a good idea since you wont pass smog (Legally). If the top mount gets into a kit or i decided to have one custom made I'll be doing it since I'm moving to Florida next year. I hate CA laws with cars! Cant even change your air filter without failing (unless its a $300 carb sticker one). Its so Sad

http://www.e90post.com/forums/showth...p+single+turbo

http://www.e90post.com/forums/showth...m+single+turbo

[joec500]

NICE NUMBERS on a Mustang Dyno...It would be great to see some numbers on a DynoJet, I am sure you will be well over 500WHP.

[buster84]

Originally Posted by buster84

I'm a little surprised about this. There are a few things that i noticed.

1) Your heat soak could be attributed to the fact that they used a TINY Fan when running on a Mustang Dyno.

2) There is a BIG ASS FAN behind the back of the car and that should be used when you run on a mustang dyno. My Dyno guy used 1 big fan, and one small one like in your picture. You also need the fan on your radiator not just your intercooler so that dyno was a "fail" with real world driving tests.

3) Most mustang Dynos run a duel design for load. I've never been to one with a single roll (so i cant say they exist or not) but single rolls are normally dyno jet.

4) The pressure drop does seem a little high, but that can also be factored in if you have a tiny little boost leak. You did just install new turbos, maybe the gasket or boost pipes have a 1mm leak.

As for the intercooler it's self. I agree that intercoolers can be made "the best" and average, but from what i've noticed in real world applications that its all about your own car.

Do what i did. On my 600hp mustang I custom installed a CRX racing intercooler. It is just like the "big tom" and heat soak was very minimal on my car. I rarely had temps go above 130 degrees (18psi Vortech T-trim) in 90 degree (outside temp).

Since i was getting the tune updated I came with a Paxton (vortech owns them) intercooler. It was just as big, and supposably twice as good (and 4 times the price new) as the crx racing one; however, that was not the case; At least with my car. I swapped out the paxton intercooler for the crx racing one (since i spent alot with him he let me do the change on my own). Then we redid the run (btw he's adjusting the tune for them).

The difference was only 6hp and 8tq with the paxton (if i recall correctly). Yes the intercooler was a tad better, but it was also a tad bigger.

I highly suggest you go buy a 7" ETS intercooler and test it on your car. If you gain 20hp+ then your more than welcome to keep it, but if you only gain 1-5hp is it really worth the extra $500?

That 1-5hp could easily be the dyno, the temp, the humidity, the fact that your oil is degrading ect... The best test would be to run a dyno on the VRSF one and the ETS one. Giving your car time to cool down between runs. Then come back and post your results. I can almost guarantee that most would love to see these results.

So test it, before you sell it. If my calculations are correct the vrsf size is just like the big tom so i dont see why you cant get 600+hp out of it.

This is the crx racing one (not my car)


This is the Novi 2000 intercooler (you can see the size difference)



P.S
When pushing more power like that you should really upgrade to 3 or 4 inch exhaust (I'm not sure what the 335i has stock?). Your pushing so much CFM into that intercooler and with a restrictive exhaust you might be causing it to heat soak much faster since it cant escape as fast as it comes in.

Ahh just found the answer to my own question (posted in the other thread but he deleted his starting post it so im posting here)

Looks like the duel rollers are the True mustang Dynos since they do full load on the car and the Singles are Inertia only. I'm not really sure how that would affect dyno numbers. Anyone who owns one able to explain this more?

I bet if he had that big fan (behind his car in the video) on his radiator he would have pulled a little bit higher numbers.

http://www.mustangdyne.com/mustangdy...aster%20Series

http://www.mustangdyne.com/mustangdy...D-800%20Series

[Joshboody]

Originally Posted by buster84

Its hard to say, but for a $2500+ upgrade its not worth it to me at least. I guess to some it could be. 100hp for $2500 just to barley reach 510hp 530tq and most are running meth to get there.

Same goes with RB turbos. We spent $500 for our first 100hp, then $2500 for the other? Thats seems wrong if you ask me.

If it was me, I'd rather pay someone to custom build me a Single turbo setup with a monster turbo for 5k-6k and get well over 600rhwp. Then if the turbo is big enough you can get the rest of the supporting mods and break into the 700+ range.

So far I've only seen a few threads of people attempting it. Seems promising and seems like the new way to go. All it takes is mass producing this monster.

Now this is a way better way to spend your thousands!! I love the top mount idea! Seems perfect for cheap install of turbo upgrades, rebuilds ect...

Although for someone living in CA this might not be a good idea since you wont pass smog (Legally). If the top mount gets into a kit or i decided to have one custom made I'll be doing it since I'm moving to Florida next year. I hate CA laws with cars! Cant even change your air filter without failing (unless its a $300 carb sticker one). Its so Sad

http://www.e90post.com/forums/showth...p+single+turbo

http://www.e90post.com/forums/showth...m+single+turbo

Compare RBs instead rev1 VVT to stock turbos. Unfortunately first shot design was a wiff IMO, BUT rev2 looks to be very promising. So have to give Tony props for altering the design, even though he maybe a little stubborn to admit rev1 wasn’t so successful in power production.

RBs have performed great trapping roughly 5mph over stock… this is a substantial gain putting you in c6z territory and keeping stockish drivability. Pretty good for $3k.

**Lurkers considering an n54, please see below link of car ready for these RBs (or rev2 VVT) I speak of…**

[Stucks]

Nice!

[froop]

Originally Posted by Joshboody

Compare RBs instead rev1 VVT to stock turbos. Unfortunately first shot design was a wiff IMO, BUT rev2 looks to be very promising. So have to give Tony props for altering the design, even though he maybe a little stubborn to admit rev1 wasn’t so successful in power production.

RBs have performed great trapping roughly 5mph over stock… this is a substantial gain putting you in c6z territory and keeping stockish drivability. Pretty good for $3k.

**Lurkers considering an n54, please see below link of car ready for these RBs (or rev2 VVT) I speak of…**

Isn't the OP on pre-update VTT Stage 2's?

[jayzF30]

These are amazing numbers. What people seem to always forget about is how stock turbos lose power towards redline compared to these and RB turbos. I am starting to really like these Stage 2 units. Decisions decisions.

[Joshboody]

Originally Posted by froop

Isn't the OP on pre-update VTT Stage 2's?

yeah, I was referring to these as not so impressive by traps and high reading dyno. But rev2 (not shipped yet AFAIK) should be much better. Just my opinion based on the facts presented.

Nice detailed info posted OP!

[themyst]

Not trying to be a debbie downer, but even after factoring in for DA a 119 MPH trap is pretty bad. I trapped 122.5 on RBs in +1100 DA at 19 psi on E85 running next to no timing due to 6AT post-shift correction issues.

Considering you're running cobb-only, I think you probably had the same timing correction issues. Any datalogs of your quarter mile runs?

[The Ghost]

Originally Posted by Joshboody

yeah, I was referring to these as not so impressive by traps and high reading dyno. But rev2 (not shipped yet AFAIK) should be much better. Just my opinion based on the facts presented.

Nice detailed info posted OP!

I agree. I put down 380whp on a Mustang dyno and trapped 119mph in a full-weight e92. The above dyno seems to read really high for a Mustang.

Thanks for posting results OP! You're holding a good amount of boost compared to the stock turbos.

[turb0mik3]

Great numbers! GIAC called me today and said they just broke through with some good power, no numbers yet though, just teasing me.