Turbo need replace Rb's vs Vargas , help needed

OMRITIME · 06-30-2013, 06:34 AM

My car 335 e92 2007
Jb4
Aa dp
Injen dci
Forge dv'
Akrapovic
Aa intercooler

90k km
Turbo rattle started 2k km ago
Thinking on upgrade turbos but I don't know where I'm going
I'm from israel and this cars very hard to find maybe 30 cars sold in israel from 2007

Last Dyno I pull out 370bhp
My turbos close to die

I don't want meth
And I want to keep the car as is daily driven I don't track ....
Just want more power with minimum issue and problems
Thinking on the rb's or Vargas
I'm thinking 450-500hp will be more than ok for me but I don't want squeeze the juice from the engine .

And all the info I found doesn't answer all my questions.

How much power my at trans hold(alpina flash done)?
What I need to do with program and how much it should cost?
Any more stuff to replace?
Fuel pumps ?
Pcv ?(I don't understand what it)
Better plugs? Better coils ?

Can Someone here make it clear
And tell me where I'm going and how much ?

rismo · 06-30-2013, 07:18 AM

Thinking on the rb's or Vargas (RB's proven, Vargas newer) Sufficient info on the board
How much power my at trans hold(alpina flash done)? 450tq, flash does not matter
What I need to do with program and how much it should cost? nothing, tune...
Any more stuff to replace? As it is quite an operation, you could consider replacing stuff which would normally require the same labour activities
Fuel pumps ? Only when they die or when you want to run with Ethanol higher then 50-70%, especially LPFP
Pcv ?(I don't understand what it) A valve... replace it when you order new turbo's... has to do with poor BMW design and increased pressure.
Better plugs? Better coils ? Not really required.

All info on this is very well documented on the board..

Blaster400 · 06-30-2013, 07:23 AM

I recently added RB Turbos and am very happy with them. RB has been shipping for a few years now and have several international customers so you should consider this. RB website has all pricing information. Vargas stage 2 also looks very good so it is not an easy choice.

Your transmission should be able to handle the added power but obviously you are adding stress. Your JB4 is good with RBs but work with Terry to dial in tune. You might also consider BMS backend flash with RBs. Definitely order the RB PCV valve at the same time. Do you have an OCC? If not consider adding BMS one. Your stock fuel pumps will be fine unless you are running E85 mixture over 40%. What fuel are you running now? No need to change coils but definitely put in new plugs if it has been more than 10,000 miles since you changed them last.

Good luck!

OMRITIME · 06-30-2013, 07:49 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Blaster400

I recently added RB Turbos and am very happy with them. RB has been shipping for a few years now and have several international customers so you should consider this. RB website has all pricing information. Vargas stage 2 also looks very good so it is not an easy choice.

Your transmission should be able to handle the added power but obviously you are adding stress. Your JB4 is good with RBs but work with Terry to dial in tune. You might also consider BMS backend flash with RBs. Definitely order the RB PCV valve at the same time. Do you have an OCC? If not consider adding BMS one. Your stock fuel pumps will be fine unless you are running E85 mixture over 40%. What fuel are you running now? No need to change coils but definitely put in new plugs if it has been more than 10,000 miles since you changed them last.

Good luck!

thanks
how much power will give me the rb without damage the trans?
i talked with terry
he said i need cobb ap
and g5 board , will be another 900usd

whats the bms flash?
i don't want meth or ethanol or all of this i'm on 93 octane

*i saw somewhere rob post not to use occ with is turbo....

Blaster400 · 06-30-2013, 08:05 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by OMRITIME

thanks
how much power will give me the rb without damage the trans?
i talked with terry
he said i need cobb ap
and g5 board , will be another 900usd

whats the bms flash?
i don't want meth or ethanol or all of this i'm on 93 octane

*i saw somewhere rob post not to use occ with is turbo....

BMS flash uses a Cobb AP so we are saying exact same thing. Using 93 octane and no meth or E85 should be no problem for your trans. Alpina flash DOES help tranny at higher power levels so good you have that. RB approves of using BMS OCC but recommends against using most other brands. RBs will give you about 50 HP more and extend your power band at higher RPMs. You will be very happy at how much stronger the car pulls with these turbos.

OMRITIME · 06-30-2013, 01:31 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Blaster400

BMS flash uses a Cobb AP so we are saying exact same thing. Using 93 octane and no meth or E85 should be no problem for your trans. Alpina flash DOES help tranny at higher power levels so good you have that. RB approves of using BMS OCC but recommends against using most other brands. RBs will give you about 50 HP more and extend your power band at higher RPMs. You will be very happy at how much stronger the car pulls with these turbos.

Ok
I think I will get the install kit from rob and the Pcv valve
So we talking about 50 Hp ? Only ?
Bms occ
Cobb ap + g5 upgrade
And done....
I'm on 450 Hp

AK 335i · 06-30-2013, 01:37 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by OMRITIME

Ok
I think I will get the install kit from rob and the Pcv valve
So we talking about 50 Hp ? Only ?
Bms occ
Cobb ap + g5 upgrade
And done....
I'm on 450 Hp

Dont get wrapped up with the 50HP gain number... Its about the curve, you will have WAY more power under the curve as you can run higher boost to redline on RBS or VArgas2

Blaster400 · 06-30-2013, 01:40 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by AK 335i

Dont get wrapped up with the 50HP gain number... Its about the curve, you will have WAY more power under the curve as you can run higher boost to redline on RBS or VArgas2

+1

robc1976 · 06-30-2013, 02:16 PM

RB'S are performed for sure...I run a very aggressive curve daily driver, meth, E85, flash ECT And all had been great.

Herr is a example of a what a RB curve can look like...notice how long it holds boost? Then good down to 18 then fou right back up.

AK 335i · 06-30-2013, 02:20 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by robc1976

RB'S are performed for sure...I run a very aggressive curve daily driver, meth, E85, flash ECT And all had been great.

Herr is a example of a what a RB curve can look like...notice how long it holds boost? Then good down to 18 then fou right back up.

EPIC log

robc1976 · 06-30-2013, 02:40 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by AK 335i

EPIC log

Running pretty strong!

07tundra · 06-30-2013, 03:40 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by OMRITIME

Ok
I think I will get the install kit from rob and the Pcv valve
So we talking about 50 Hp ? Only ?
Bms occ
Cobb ap + g5 upgrade
And done....
I'm on 450 Hp

I just got off the Dyno I think last week I hit 506whp 523tq with RBs and no meth jb4 g5,rb PVC,BMS occ, walbro 455 on e70 for fuel........choose your poison....lol. Terry was tuning my car via email andmtexts I spent most of the day on the Dyno. In my my opinion you will not receive that kind of customer service from anyone else.

SouthfloridaE92 · 06-30-2013, 04:18 PM

What's the price difference between the Vargas stg 2's with all upgrade options vs rb's.

OMRITIME · 07-01-2013, 10:45 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 07tundra

I just got off the Dyno I think last week I hit 506whp 523tq with RBs and no meth jb4 g5,rb PVC,BMS occ, walbro 455 on e70 for fuel........choose your poison....lol. Terry was tuning my car via email andmtexts I spent most of the day on the Dyno. In my my opinion you will not receive that kind of customer service from anyone else.

how terry tune it
by cobb, the bms flash yes?

all i can see this trip going to be about 5000$

07tundra · 07-01-2013, 01:59 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by OMRITIME

how terry tune it
by cobb, the bms flash yes?

all i can see this trip going to be about 5000$

By both Cobb and flash and some other settings

kiteboy · 07-01-2013, 02:01 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SouthfloridaE92

What's the price difference between the Vargas stg 2's with all upgrade options vs rb's.

one idea about the price between different turbos ??

Blaster400 · 07-01-2013, 02:09 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by kiteboy

one idea about the price between different turbos ??

http://www.e90post.com/forums/showth...on+chart+turbo
This really needs to be a sticky.

OMRITIME · 07-31-2013, 11:44 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 07tundra

By both Cobb and flash and some other settings

Can I save some money on the Cobb
And just order the open flash tablet ?

OpenFlash · 07-31-2013, 11:45 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by OMRITIME

Can I save some money on the Cobb
And just order the open flash tablet ?

Yes

tjnitsche · 08-01-2013, 12:54 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by OMRITIME

Quote:

Originally Posted by 07tundra

By both Cobb and flash and some other settings

Can I save some money on the Cobb
And just order the open flash tablet ?

Do you have a bt cable? If you are interested in saving money there is another tune coming out that only needs the BT cable to flash your car with any map. Also I would look into a piggy (jb4/proceede) on top of a flash tune. From all of the threads I have seen it delivered very very good consistent results. I can vouch for the piggy + flash for e85 makes the car so much smoother

OMRITIME · 08-01-2013, 02:00 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by shiv@vishnu

Yes

it will work with the jb4?

i can load the bms flash with it?

jippii ensio · 08-01-2013, 02:34 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by OMRITIME

it will work with the jb4?

i can load the bms flash with it?

Yes. You will have a beast.

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OMRITIME Lieutenant 106 Rep 589 Posts Drives: M4 Join Date: May 2010 Location: tel-aviv iTrader: (1)	Turbo need replace Rb's vs Vargas , help needed My car 335 e92 2007 Jb4 Aa dp Injen dci Forge dv' Akrapovic Aa intercooler 90k km Turbo rattle started 2k km ago Thinking on upgrade turbos but I don't know where I'm going I'm from israel and this cars very hard to find maybe 30 cars sold in israel from 2007 Last Dyno I pull out 370bhp My turbos close to die I don't want meth And I want to keep the car as is daily driven I don't track .... Just want more power with minimum issue and problems Thinking on the rb's or Vargas I'm thinking 450-500hp will be more than ok for me but I don't want squeeze the juice from the engine . And all the info I found doesn't answer all my questions. How much power my at trans hold(alpina flash done)? What I need to do with program and how much it should cost? Any more stuff to replace? Fuel pumps ? Pcv ?(I don't understand what it) Better plugs? Better coils ? Can Someone here make it clear And tell me where I'm going and how much ? __________________ 2008 e92 335 FBO 2011 e92 M3 ZCP DCT 2015 f82 M4 DCT
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rismo Captain 76 Rep 911 Posts Drives: BMW E92 335 Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: Europe iTrader: (0)	Thinking on the rb's or Vargas (RB's proven, Vargas newer) Sufficient info on the board How much power my at trans hold(alpina flash done)? 450tq, flash does not matter What I need to do with program and how much it should cost? nothing, tune... Any more stuff to replace? As it is quite an operation, you could consider replacing stuff which would normally require the same labour activities Fuel pumps ? Only when they die or when you want to run with Ethanol higher then 50-70%, especially LPFP Pcv ?(I don't understand what it) A valve... replace it when you order new turbo's... has to do with poor BMW design and increased pressure. Better plugs? Better coils ? Not really required. All info on this is very well documented on the board.. __________________ BMW 335 E92 09 - Full options - DKG - MHD by Buraq - RB Next Gen - RB Inlets/Outlet - Forge Diverter Valves - AR Catless DP - Afe Intake - Helix IC - FuelIT Stage 2 LPFP - Ar Oil Cooler - PPK Water Cooler - M3 Suspension - JRZ RS1 Shocks - Eibach Pro Springs - Drexler LSD - BMW IS Exhaust - Carbon Endurance Brake Pads - Stainless Steel Brake Lines - M101 Wheels - Michelin PS2 - M-Tech Body - M-Strutbar BMW M550i G30 2019 - BM3
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Blaster400 Captain 127 Rep 865 Posts Drives: BMW X3 35i, Porsche Macan S Join Date: Jul 2012 Location: Scottsdale AZ iTrader: (3) Garage List 2018 Porsche Macan S [0.00] 2012 BMW X3 35i [0.00]	I recently added RB Turbos and am very happy with them. RB has been shipping for a few years now and have several international customers so you should consider this. RB website has all pricing information. Vargas stage 2 also looks very good so it is not an easy choice. Your transmission should be able to handle the added power but obviously you are adding stress. Your JB4 is good with RBs but work with Terry to dial in tune. You might also consider BMS backend flash with RBs. Definitely order the RB PCV valve at the same time. Do you have an OCC? If not consider adding BMS one. Your stock fuel pumps will be fine unless you are running E85 mixture over 40%. What fuel are you running now? No need to change coils but definitely put in new plugs if it has been more than 10,000 miles since you changed them last. Good luck! __________________ MOTIV 750 ST \| MOTIV PI \| 100% E85 \| Fuel-it Stage 4 LPFP \| MOTIV Boost Box + MHD Protune \| Quaife \| Öhlins \| Brembo \| Akrapovic
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robc1976 DIYER 614 Rep 5,521 Posts Drives: E90 335i Join Date: Mar 2012 Location: Illinois iTrader: (14)	RB'S are performed for sure...I run a very aggressive curve daily driver, meth, E85, flash ECT And all had been great. Herr is a example of a what a RB curve can look like...notice how long it holds boost? Then good down to 18 then fou right back up. Attached Images __________________ JB4 G5, Stage 3 LPFP, Stage 2 MOTIV PI, VM 6466 ST, Custom OCC W/ SS lines, ER FMIC, ER CP W/HKS BOV, M3 control arms, M3 guide rods, M3 upper links, M3 front & rear sway-bars, HPA rear toe arms, Wavetrac LSD, HPF Gen 2, DEFIV kit, KW clubsport, Delrin solid SF bushings, stoptech rotors, Rogue Tranny Mounts, 1M bumper, M3 CF hood, M3 fenders, M3 OEM sideskirts, Mtech rear bumper, CSL trunk, MORR VS8.2 rims 245/295
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