[B_davis]

Installed my Snow Stg 3 meth kit today and just got back from my first test runs. Let me start off with my mods:

BMS DCI
STETT CP + FORGE DVs
COBB AP ( 93oct V202 map)
Snow Stg 3

Started out by testing on the stock tune with the cobb not installed. First impression was no change in the butt dyno. Which had me wondering if I was even spraying. ( I never tested the pump with the nozzles out of the charge pipe spraying water)

So I decided I would install the COBB and see if I notice any drops in IATs. From all the reading I had done, I expected IATs to drop slightly below ambient at the top of 3 or 4th gear pull, this was not the case. Ambient temp was 72 and I was hitting 108-110 at the top of 3rd.

I was still concerned that maybe I wasn't spraying at all. I then turned the controller off and did another 3rd gear pull and whoa!! IATS hit 140F at the top of 3rd. So this confirmed that I am spraying something.

This got me thinking about my mix of meth. I have the 2.5 gallon tank and added about 1/3 gallon of distilled water , 1 gallon of Peak -20f windshield wiper fluid, and 1 bottle of HEET. I have no clue what kind of meth/water mix I have , I just added what I had around the garage.

I didn't expect much in the butt dyno considering I am running the cobb , but I did expect my IATs to be closer to ambient. I suspect my stock FMIC is garbage and full of oil. My valves were worst than any I have seen on this forum at 55k miles, and My stett CP has oil puddles in it after only 5k miles.

I will continue to play with the settings and different mixes. For now I am a satisfied, I've had the kit laying around since January and just now got it installed. Only thing weird I noticed is that I can hear the solenoid for the power nozzle make a "CLICK" sound when it activates. I can hear it inside the car, I am not sure if this is normal?

[Javier]

With that thread tittle i was expecting something like this:

went back to that bitch with the meth/coke combo that you can only smoke, and i bought a 50. last time it looks like total garb.. this time it was a decent sized rock for 50.. it was white at first glance so i assumed it wasnt crack. or it was really bad crack. when ibroke it up into little chunks i noticed it looked kind of clear. so i load some up and melt.. hit it. it tastes exactly like crack. so hmm.. but then i get a rush very similar to crack but more.. mellow kind of. it was very nice. i felt a strong crack high for about 5-10 minutes and then just felt geeked and kind of speeding for another 30 minutes.

shits pretty good.. im fuckin geekin hard. only thing i dont like is that it has a craving far worse then crack. it reminds me of withdrawal craving. crack runs out and im fine. coke runs out and im sad. if this shit starts to even run low i get the worst feeling ever. rocks arnt very hard either.. you can chip pieces with your fingers. im used to shaving with a razor blade most of the time. so what do you think it is?

discuss?

[chancejat]

are you sure its spraying....your IAT's should be near or lower than ambient for sure.....

[Jeff@TopGearSolutions]

Your meth concentration is very weak. Off the top of my head you are running maybe 40% meth concentration at most. I'm also unsure what nozzle is on the stage 3.

You should try using real methanol and something near 70% meth concentration.

The point is moot however, the current stage 1 Cobb AP is not designed for meth. So you are simply wasting it until you can up the boost and ignition for meth.

Just so you know, In near 100 Ambient temps, I was at 93 intake temps into 4th gear, running 19 Peak PSI tapering to 16 PSI by redline. Stock FMIC. Stock DP. So you either need a bigger nozzle, more meth concentration, or both. (and of course more boost which isnt available yet).

[B_davis]

Originally Posted by Jeff@topgearsolutions

Your meth concentration is very weak. Off the top of my head you are running maybe 40% meth concentration at most. I'm also unsure what nozzle is on the stage 3.

You should try using real methanol and something near 70% meth concentration.

The point is moot however, the current stage 1 Cobb AP is not designed for meth. So you are simply wasting it until you can up the boost and ignition for meth.

Just so you know, In near 100 Ambient temps, I was at 93 intake temps into 4th gear, running 19 Peak PSI tapering to 16 PSI by redline. Stock FMIC. Stock DP. So you either need a bigger nozzle, more meth concentration, or both.

I am running dual nozzle setup , the 60ml/min along with the 175ml/min. I would certainly think that is enough for a nearly stock car, but maybe not. I was under the impression that the higher water concentration that I run, the great lower my charge temps would. I thought the meth was more for octane rating ? But I really have no clue what my mix is right now, so maybe I'll order some boost juice ...

[sappersix]

1 gal Peak -20: 33% methanol (42 oz meth; 86 oz H2O)
1 bottle HEET: 99% methanol (12 oz meth)
H2O: 1/3 gal (42 oz H2O)

54 oz of methanol and 128 oz of H2O = 30/70 mix.

But... this.

Originally Posted by Jeff@topgearsolutions

The point is moot however, the current stage 1 Cobb AP is not designed for meth. So you are simply wasting it until you can up the boost and ignition for meth.

[VelvetElf]

Your meth concentration is very weak. Off the top of my head you are running maybe 40% meth concentration at most. I'm also unsure what nozzle is on the stage 3.

You should try using real methanol and something near 70% meth concentration.

The point is moot however, the current stage 1 Cobb AP is not designed for meth. So you are simply wasting it until you can up the boost and ignition for meth.

Just so you know, In near 100 Ambient temps, I was at 93 intake temps into 4th gear, running 19 Peak PSI tapering to 16 PSI by redline. Stock FMIC. Stock DP. So you either need a bigger nozzle, more meth concentration, or both. (and of course more boost which isnt available yet).

+1

[tscdennab]

You will not gain anything from meth when using the Cobb tune, at most you will prevent some heatsoaking in hot days. You could however use the 93 octane map with 91 octane fuel + meth.

[Javier]

Originally Posted by tscdennab

You will not gain anything from meth when using the Cobb tune, at most you will prevent some heatsoaking in hot days. You could however use the 93 octane map with 91 octane fuel + meth.

+1

[mithiral67]

Wouldnt you see less boost with lower intake temps?

[Litos]

i used to use straight VP M1 Methanol.

[Jeff@TopGearSolutions]

Originally Posted by B_davis

I am running dual nozzle setup , the 60ml/min along with the 175ml/min. I would certainly think that is enough for a nearly stock car, but maybe not. I was under the impression that the higher water concentration that I run, the great lower my charge temps would. I thought the meth was more for octane rating ? But I really have no clue what my mix is right now, so maybe I'll order some boost juice ...

Try the higher meth concentration. I spray something near 900/ml min. As I mentioned previously really no point in meth on stage 1.

Boost juice is a waste of money, your shipping nearly half of water and paying a premium for it. Just find a local automotive hot rod place and ask them if they sell meth or kno someone that does. Worst case scenario go to home depot and just get denatured alcohol.

[KyLu II]

Originally Posted by B_davis

I am running dual nozzle setup , the 60ml/min along with the 175ml/min. I would certainly think that is enough for a nearly stock car, but maybe not. I was under the impression that the higher water concentration that I run, the great lower my charge temps would. I thought the meth was more for octane rating ? But I really have no clue what my mix is right now, so maybe I'll order some boost juice ...

try to ignite it, if its flammable is good

[Syndicategt]

If you don't have anyone who sells methanol near you just buy some Boost Juice (50/50)from SummitRacing.com, yes it's expensive but sometimes it's your only option. You can also try Homedepot, they sell denatured alcohol which is usable.

[plague]

Originally Posted by B_davis

I just added what I had around the garage.

[Big Tom]

Originally Posted by B_davis

I am running dual nozzle setup , the 60ml/min along with the 175ml/min

235 ml/min is not very much. It could definitely be one of the causes.

Originally Posted by B_davis

( I never tested the pump with the nozzles out of the charge pipe spraying water)

That could be an additional cause.
To try the nozzles out of the charge pipe is a must after the installation if you're asking me...

[FastBimmerN54]

235 ml/min is def not much meth and I dont like how snow performance doesnt rate their nozzles on their site. Sounds like the OP needs more meth concentration and bigger nozzles.

[vasillalov]

Originally Posted by tscdennab

You will not gain anything from meth when using the Cobb tune, at most you will prevent some heatsoaking in hot days. You could however use the 93 octane map with 91 octane fuel + meth.

You have ABSOLUTELY no idea what you are talking about!

Meth is sprayed AFTER the intercooler. So even if you dump 5 tons of meth in the system, the intercooler will be just as heat soaked.

I have no clue what kind of meth/water mix I have , I just added what I had around the garage.

...
Only thing weird I noticed is that I can hear the solenoid for the power nozzle make a "CLICK" sound when it activates. I can hear it inside the car, I am not sure if this is normal?

Op, sounds like you bought and installed something for your car without even having basic understanding how it works or what to expect. If I were you, I'd do more research before I plug something into the engine...

[son_of_siggy]

Originally Posted by mithiral67

Wouldnt you see less boost with lower intake temps?

Cooler air = denser air. On our mustang running 12psi, a hot day with intake temps around 130-140 we might see 10.5-11 psi. On a cooler day with intake temps in the 70-90 range, we'll see the full 12.

[The Ghost]

Originally Posted by son_of_siggy

Cooler air = denser air. On our mustang running 12psi, a hot day with intake temps around 130-140 we might see 10.5-11 psi. On a cooler day with intake temps in the 70-90 range, we'll see the full 12.

He's referring to how COBB bases boost targeting with load.

[ExpensiveTaste]

Originally Posted by son_of_siggy

Cooler air = denser air. On our mustang running 12psi, a hot day with intake temps around 130-140 we might see 10.5-11 psi. On a cooler day with intake temps in the 70-90 range, we'll see the full 12.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but the Cobb controls boost by targeting load. In hotter conditions the boost will increase and in cool environments the boost will decrease to keep the same torque target.

[mithiral67]

yes, i was referring to the fact that with load tuning, it takes more boost on hotter days to reach a load target and less boost on cooler days. Assuming the cooling effects of method has the same effect as a cooler day, I was just suggesting that even with a cobb stage one, meth would benefit in helping lessen the stress on the turbos.