[BayMoWe335]

I apologize, because I’m sure this has been asked before, but I want to get some kind of “consolidated” answer. I admittedly have confused myself by trying to get answers through my own research.

I am interested in a Porter Cable 7424XP.

My paint is pretty much swirl-free, but I have some nice water spots that I can’t remove with zaino, clay, or my Meguiars NXT. ScratchX removes them, but I don’t want to use that over the entire car. These spots are only visible in halogen light, but they bother the hell out of me knowing they are there. For whatever reason, the BMW clearcoat seems to be more prone to waterspots than my Trans Am was.

I think I need a non-aggressive polish with a machine to get rid of these. Can you guys help me put together a beginner’s kit for polishing with the porter cable. I DO NOT need extensive correction and do not want to run the risk of making my paint worse before it gets better. I just need something to deal with these water spots.

Steps/Items to buy:

1) Porter Cable 7424XP
2) Some kind of initial polish to get rid of the water spots – Which pad?
3) Some kind of wax – Which Pad?
4) Glaze/sealant? – Which Pad, or by hand?

Am I missing something?

Can the polish, wax, and glaze be applied with the PC? I already have Zaino, but they don’t play nicely with other products, do they? They certainly aren’t getting these water spots out.

Thanks for reading.

[john335i]

What color is your car?

You could try this... Pinnacle Paintwork Cleansing Lotion as for a pad - Lake Country CCS 6.5" White Polishing Pad

You will find that everyone has there own preference when it comes to different products.

Do your Glaze before your Wax.

This year I'm going with;
1. Wash
2. Dry
3. Clay
4. Pinnacle Paintwork Cleansing Lotion
5. Poorboy’s World Black Hole Show Glaze for Dark Vehicles
6. Pinnacle Liquid Souveran Wax

The last three can all be applied with a PC.

[BayMoWe335]

Excuse me! I am in a JET BLACK E92. This is a tough color to keep, but somehow much tougher than my navy blue metallic previous car.

[BayMoWe335]

Originally Posted by john335i

What color is your car?

You could try this... Pinnacle Paintwork Cleansing Lotion as for a pad - Lake Country CCS 6.5" White Polishing Pad

You will find that everyone has there own preference, I have a Black Sapphire 335.

Do your Glaze before your Wax.

This year I'm going with;
1. Wash
2. Dry
3. Clay
4. Pinnacle Paintwork Cleansing Lotion
5. Poorboy’s World Black Hole Show Glaze for Dark Vehicles
6. Pinnacle Liquid Souveran Wax

The last three can all be applied with a PC.

Thanks for the input! Seems like a pretty simple setup. Would you use a white pad for all 3? How aggressive is the Pinnacle Paintwork Cleansing?

[Detailed Image]

Originally Posted by BayMoWe335

Steps/Items to buy:

1) Porter Cable 7424XP
2) Some kind of initial polish to get rid of the water spots – Which pad?
3) Some kind of wax – Which Pad?
4) Glaze/sealant? – Which Pad, or by hand?

Am I missing something?

Can the polish, wax, and glaze be applied with the PC? I already have Zaino, but they don’t play nicely with other products, do they? They certainly aren’t getting these water spots out.

Thanks for reading.

Personally, I'd go with something like:

PC 7424XP
W67DA Backing Plate
Meguiar's M205 + 5.5" white pads (I'd recommend 3 or so)
Chemical Guyz EZ Creme Glaze (black pads if you want to apply with a PC)
Blackfire Wet Diamond Sealant (blue pads if you want to apply with a PC)
Wax only if you want to take it to that next level, but your main focus should be on properly polishing the paint.

You could use the rest of your Zaino as your protection, but before applying it, I'd recommend using some isopropyl alcohol and water mixture after polishing to ensure there is nothing left on the paint prior to applying the Zaino. Another option would be to wash it with Chemical Guys Citrus Wash.

Here's a good article I'd recommend reading:
Polishing with M105/M205

Hope this helps.

George

[Jeff@TopGearSolutions]

Jetblack Good luck..

I had some bad waterspots, and minimal swirls.

Ended up having to go with a Menzerna 203 on orange pad to see correction.

Follow up with Menzerna 106 White Pad.

Could probably finish up with Menzerna po85RD Black Pad

Then seal with blackfire on black Pad.

[BayMoWe335]

Originally Posted by Detailed Image

Personally, I'd go with something like:

PC 7424XP
W67DA Backing Plate
Meguiar's M205 + 5.5" white pads (I'd recommend 3 or so)
Chemical Guyz EZ Creme Glaze (black pads if you want to apply with a PC)
Blackfire Wet Diamond Sealant (blue pads if you want to apply with a PC)
Wax only if you want to take it to that next level, but your main focus should be on properly polishing the paint.

You could use the rest of your Zaino as your protection, but before applying it, I'd recommend using some isopropyl alcohol and water mixture after polishing to ensure there is nothing left on the paint prior to applying the Zaino. Another option would be to wash it with Chemical Guys Citrus Wash.

Here's a good article I'd recommend reading:
Polishing with M105/M205

Hope this helps.

George

Thanks. To be clear, are the steps:

1) Meguiar's M205 w/ white pad
2) Isopropyl alcohol wipe
3) Zaino w/ white pad?
4) Chemical Guyz EZ Creme Glaze (black pads if you want to apply with a PC)
5) Blackfire Wet Diamond Sealant (blue pads if you want to apply with a PC)
6) Meguiar's NXT (for example) wax with a blue pad?

Thanks!

[Bobble]

I believe he was referring to use your existing zaino instead of the BFWD as the main protection. If you use the Zaino an alcohol wipedown is necessary as zaino does not like to bond over other products well or imo at all. If you use the BFWD I'd suggest Poor Boys Natty Blue, the NXT is a polymer hybrid wax which is really just more protection less pop and shine, use a carnuba based product if you want the pop and shine factor. Good luck JB can be trying.

[Detailed Image]

Originally Posted by Bobble

I believe he was referring to use your existing zaino instead of the BFWD as the main protection. If you use the Zaino an alcohol wipedown is necessary as zaino does not like to bond over other products well or imo at all. If you use the BFWD I'd suggest Poor Boys Natty Blue, the NXT is a polymer hybrid wax which is really just more protection less pop and shine, use a carnuba based product if you want the pop and shine factor. Good luck JB can be trying.

Yep, exactly. Either use the Zaino or the BFWD, no need for both. Thanks Bobble.

JPSlick also offered another great combination as well. Can't go wrong with Menzerna or Meguiar's polishes.

[BayMoWe335]

So I can apply Zaino over Chemical Guyz EZ Creme Glaze?

[Jeff@TopGearSolutions]

Also with the PC...

Start out around speed 2, apply 3 dime size dots of polish on the pad. Work into a 2 X 2 area at most.

Then bring speed up to 5, keeping slight even pressure. (I think they say 10-15 lbs of pressure).

Make 2 passes over the areas.

Then dial it back down to 3 and work the area slowly.

There is a bunch of ways to use a PC but I find that works best with the jet black.

Jet black paint is REALLY a pain to work with and requires good polish's.

I know Menzerna works, ive tried others that dont work, but meguiars should be fine too.


See some Youtube videos for working the PC correctly.

Oh and btw, you dont need to start with orange pad, you can see what kind of correction you can get on white pad with 203 menzerna if you want. My car needed orange pad personally.

[UncleWede]

Or try mixing vinegar and water, then spritz your car with that (small section first to try) It might dissolve the water spots and then you might be comfortable with the result.

Of course SOMEWHERE down the road you need a polisher. . .

[john335i]

A tip for rinsing off your car, don't use the spray nossle to rinse off your car, disconnect it and let the water cascade over the car, less spots

[BayMoWe335]

Thanks guys...I always wash my car at night, so I didn't put the water spots on. It happens at work when it rains and becomes sunny right after (Thanks Texas).

[BayMoWe335]

Originally Posted by JPSlick

Also with the PC...

Start out around speed 2, apply 3 dime size dots of polish on the pad. Work into a 2 X 2 area at most.

Then bring speed up to 5, keeping slight even pressure. (I think they say 10-15 lbs of pressure).

Make 2 passes over the areas.

Then dial it back down to 3 and work the area slowly.

There is a bunch of ways to use a PC but I find that works best with the jet black.

Jet black paint is REALLY a pain to work with and requires good polish's.

I know Menzerna works, ive tried others that dont work, but meguiars should be fine too.


See some Youtube videos for working the PC correctly.

Oh and btw, you dont need to start with orange pad, you can see what kind of correction you can get on white pad with 203 menzerna if you want. My car needed orange pad personally.

Thanks. My plan is to start with a white pad and see where that gets me.

[mwahlert]

i have been using this kit with excellent results on various cars....

http://autogeek.net/wolfgang-swirl-kit.html

[musc]

If your paint is virtually swirl free and the only issue you are dealing with is water spots, then you may not even need to jump into polishing yet. A mixture of vinegar/water will usually get off water spots, but some aren't comfortable using. Chemical guys makes a water spot remover available on the DI website that I have had good success with. You may find that this will remove the spots sufficiently. If the spots are old or there is some etching, then you may need to polish as others have recommended above.