The Future of BMW's M Division: New Turbo Fours and Sixes Likely

Tag · 03-19-2009, 12:39 AM

http://blogs.motortrend.com/6470938/...ely/index.html

"A turbo-six will replace the M3's 400-horsepower, 4.0L V-8 and a 300-plus-horsepower turbo four will rocket a 1 Series M (just don't call it an M1)."

Nutballa · 03-19-2009, 12:55 AM

Interesting! We'll see what the future has in store for bmw.

Craig@SupremePower · 03-19-2009, 02:05 AM

Hmm scrapin the V8 already....

Year's_End · 03-19-2009, 02:23 AM

Sounds believable.

just4kickz · 03-19-2009, 02:31 AM

would not mind a turboed4

methodtim · 03-19-2009, 02:32 AM

Meh, I'm not too crazy about having a turbo 4. I know, I know, high-revving fun, blah, blah, blah. Call me crazy, I just prefer sixes - always have.

ragingclue · 03-19-2009, 09:28 AM

Maybe they could start focusing on losing weight on the 1 first.... It's a pig compared to what they led us to believe it would be.... A turbo four would help that greatly, but there must be a lot more weight there that can be lost...

LI E90 · 03-19-2009, 09:41 AM

aint CAFE a kick in the pants?

noro · 03-19-2009, 09:44 AM

2800lb 4 cylinder car that is going to be fun to drive... hmm... is that even possible???

Bimmerista · 03-19-2009, 09:53 AM

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Originally Posted by methodtim

Meh, I'm not too crazy about having a turbo 4. I know, I know, high-revving fun, blah, blah, blah. Call me crazy, I just prefer sixes - always have.

And you are not alone.....

I am skeptical of being able to get to high Hp 4 cylinder engines without turboeing the living daylights out of it, which means turbo lag (did I mention I hate turbo lag) and a certain je-ne-sais-evoness which frankly would not be suited to BMW.

So BMW better be carefull how high they string those 4s - I don't see them going to 300 Hp without exhibiting the traits I refer to above.

But if they leave it for the 1 and keep it to 250-280 max Hp, and combine it with a diet programme, the 4 could be interesting.

As for the changeover from 8 to twinturbo 6 for the M, my understanding is that will only happen for the next generation M3s, so we're a while away.

Bimmerista · 03-19-2009, 09:55 AM

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Originally Posted by LI E90

aint CAFE a kick in the pants?

Yeah, that and the Euro5 standards........more with less is the new horsepower war.

noro · 03-19-2009, 09:59 AM

While what you said is true for how things are right now, in theory you CAN develop a turbo engine that behaves exactly like an NA engine. For one the boost released by the BOV valve can in theory be stored and used later when the pressure isn't fully built up yet, etc.

Also superchargers may also make a comeback with technology that allows for 0 drag during idling and cruising (electric maybe).

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Originally Posted by Bimmerista

And you are not alone.....

I am skeptical of being able to get to high Hp 4 cylinder engines without turboeing the living daylights out of it, which means turbo lag (did I mention I hate turbo lag) and a certain je-ne-sais-evoness which frankly would not be suited to BMW.

So BMW better be carefull how high they string those 4s - I don't see them going to 300 Hp without exhibiting the traits I refer to above.

But if they leave it for the 1 and keep it to 250-280 max Hp, and combine it with a diet programme, the 4 could be interesting.

As for the changeover from 8 to twinturbo 6 for the M, my understanding is that will only happen for the next generation M3s, so we're a while away.

methodtim · 03-19-2009, 10:00 AM

While we're at it, why don't we all just go fully electric. Instantaneous torque, yee haw!

/me ducks and hides behind lots of flame-proof material.

FotiosF90M5 · 03-19-2009, 10:14 AM

I wonder how strong they will make the 6. Im sure it will be a badass engine.

FotiosF90M5 · 03-19-2009, 10:15 AM

e46 m3 motor with 2 turbos and over 450 horses maybe to start?

ragingclue · 03-19-2009, 10:18 AM

Four cylinders and four tiny-ass turbos.

galahad05 · 03-19-2009, 10:49 AM

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Originally Posted by fotios335i

e46 m3 motor with 2 turbos and over 450 horses maybe to start?

Quite likely, actually. Though probably more like 420 HP not 450. The variable valve system will be changed out no doubt.

methodtim · 03-19-2009, 10:55 AM

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Originally Posted by damadama

they need to shed some weight off these cars!

If i ever get my paws on an M car its getting stripped down to the frame

I have a hard time believing that people really want lighter cars when all I see on this forum is people loading up their cars to the gills with every conceivable option, then adding even more weight with cosmetic mods. Add to that the ever increasing safety requirements and I just don't see BMW's getting lighter any time soon.

Maybe that guy that's stripping out his interior is on to something after all (versus just being on something).

DrGP · 03-19-2009, 11:47 AM

Not surprising. The V8 has become a dinosaur. Don't get me wrong, I'm a 60's muscle car lover. But with high fuel costs and the technology available today, turbo 4 and 6 cylinder engines just make more sense. This article say the future S4/S5s will be turbo 4s. http://www.leftlanenews.com/audi-s4-...-cylinder.html

markinva · 03-19-2009, 11:52 AM

I must say I don't like the talk of a V6 instead of an inline 6.

mike-y · 03-19-2009, 12:00 PM

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Originally Posted by noro

2800lb 4 cylinder car that is going to be fun to drive... hmm... is that even possible???

That's called an S2000

but seriously, the days of sub-3000 lbs sport sedans is long gone. with all the current safety requirements and customer's expectations of having a car loaded with "standard features" and 9 airbags, curb weights are way up.

Oulixes · 03-19-2009, 12:07 PM

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"A turbo-six will replace the M3's 400-horsepower, 4.0L V-8 and a 300-plus-horsepower turbo four will rocket a 1 Series M (just don't call it an M1)."

Very interesting article. Thanks for posting it.

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