Need help with ZSP

Blackhawk693 · 03-14-2009, 02:51 PM

I have a 2009 328xi with the sport package. Or i assume since i paid for it and eveything says i do. I have done some research. Havent called the dealer yet (closed for the weekend) but im curious about my top speed limiter with ZSP. The car just rolled over 1,500 miles so i decided to slowly take the car above 4500 rpms. On the open Autobahn of course. Well i hit 5,000 rpms at 138 mph and the car just would not go any further. From my understanding top speed is suppose to be 150. Why couldnt i get any higher? Noob question i know, but i do trust the expertise of the drivers on this site. Any info can ease my mind.

blue2fire · 03-14-2009, 02:53 PM

It is electronically limited.

methodtim · 03-14-2009, 02:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Blackhawk693

Why couldnt i get any higher? Noob question i know, but i do trust the expertise of the drivers on this site. Any info can ease my mind.

Many reasons. The fact that you're driving a 328xi is probably the main reason you can't get to 150. Too much powertrain loss due to AWD.

Blackhawk693 · 03-14-2009, 02:57 PM

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Originally Posted by methodtim

Many reasons. The fact that you're driving a 328xi is probably the main reason you can't get to 150. Too much powertrain loss due to AWD.

But I feel the limiter kick in at 5000 rpms. I thought it wasnt suppose to be limited up to 150.

methodtim · 03-14-2009, 03:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Blackhawk693

But I feel the limiter kick in at 5000 rpms. I thought it wasnt suppose to be limited up to 150.

I don't know what you're talking about here. There are two limiters, the redline rpm limiter and top speed limiter. The two aren't really related when it comes to top speed. If you're saying that you're getting to 138 mph at 5000 rpm and that your car won't go faster, then that's probably due to the fact that it can't go any faster and not that it's limited in any way. Like I said, it's probably due to powertrain losses with your AWD.

Blackhawk693 · 03-14-2009, 03:07 PM

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Originally Posted by methodtim

I don't know what you're talking about here. There are two limiters, the redline rpm limiter and top speed limiter. The two aren't really related when it comes to top speed. If you're saying that you're getting to 138 mph at 5000 rpm and that your car won't go faster, then that's probably due to the fact that it can't go any faster and not that it's limited in any way. Like I said, it's probably due to powertrain losses with your AWD.

Thanks for the help. I was expecting your reply. I know what powertrain loss feels like. I did it three seperate times and each time pedal is almost to the floor and the speed and rpms are rising at a good rate. Its not like i feel it bleeding off. Then at 138 the acceleration just stops. I pushed to the floor and nothing happened. Do you think it could be still limited? Like there was an error in production.

methodtim · 03-14-2009, 03:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Blackhawk693

Thanks for the help. I was expecting your reply. I know what powertrain loss feels like. I did it three seperate times and each time pedal is almost to the floor and the speed and rpms are rising at a good rate. Its not like i feel it bleeding off. Then at 138 the acceleration just stops. I pushed to the floor and nothing happened. Do you think it could be still limited? Like there was an error in production.

Hmmm... if it is indeed limited, then it's a simple software issue. I would take it to the dealer and have them confirm that ZSP is enabled. I mean, there are other cues to whether you have ZSP or not (i.e. the seats, wheels, steering wheel), so if you have all the physical cues, it should be a simple matter of confirming the software is correct.

Blackhawk693 · 03-14-2009, 03:20 PM

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Originally Posted by methodtim

Hmmm... if it is indeed limited, then it's a simple software issue. I would take it to the dealer and have them confirm that ZSP is enabled. I mean, there are other cues to whether you have ZSP or not (i.e. the seats, wheels, steering wheel), so if you have all the physical cues, it should be a simple matter of confirming the software is correct.

Ok, thats kind of what i was hoping for. I knew i had all of the other options that were included with zsp ie. seats, wheels etc and its on my purchase order. So its something they can just enable and call it good? I will have it checked on monday. Should have gotten the 335! Thanks for the help.

Blackhawk693 · 03-16-2009, 01:12 PM

I went to the stealership today and it took a bit of work (they speak very little english and know nothing of american spec) but we came to the conclusion that I have the all season tires (not performance) which sets the limiter. Thanks for the help Method.

methodtim · 03-16-2009, 01:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Blackhawk693

I went to the stealership today and it took a bit of work (they speak very little english and know nothing of american spec) but we came to the conclusion that I have the all season tires (not performance) which sets the limiter. Thanks for the help Method.

Oh really! I never knew that tires are the thing that set the limiter. Good to know!

bostonrussian · 03-16-2009, 01:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Blackhawk693

I went to the stealership today and it took a bit of work (they speak very little english and know nothing of american spec) but we came to the conclusion that I have the all season tires (not performance) which sets the limiter. Thanks for the help Method.

Hmm are you sure you bought a BMW, not a kia? Because at the Herb Chambers Stealership I had a gorgeous blonde with perfect tits and immaculate command of english answer all my questions whenever I had any.

methodtim · 03-16-2009, 01:23 PM

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Hmm are you sure you bought a BMW, not a kia? Because at the Herb Chambers Stealership I had a gorgeous blonde with perfect tits and immaculate command of english answer all my questions whenever I had any.

You're not very funny, but keep trying.

VTECaddict · 03-16-2009, 01:26 PM

^^ fail. if you look at OP's location, it says Germany....

xi's dont get the ZSP suspension and sport wheels/tires, so they should have a lower limiter right?

blue2fire · 03-16-2009, 01:26 PM

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Originally Posted by bostonrussian

Hmm are you sure you bought a BMW, not a kia? Because at the Herb Chambers Stealership I had a gorgeous blonde with perfect tits and immaculate command of english answer all my questions whenever I had any.

The OP was in Germany. You should have bothered to look at his profile instead of trying to be funny.

methodtim · 03-16-2009, 01:30 PM

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Originally Posted by VTECaddict

^^ fail. if you look at OP's location, it says Germany....

xi's dont get the ZSP suspension and sport wheels/tires, so they should have a lower limiter right?

That's not necessarily true. Many people in Europe have US-spec cars. I'm not saying you're wrong, but there's a non-trivial chance that you're not right.

ZSP on an xi will still have a higher limiter, but it will not have the sports suspension.

STE92VE · 03-16-2009, 03:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Blackhawk693

I went to the stealership today and it took a bit of work (they speak very little english and know nothing of american spec) but we came to the conclusion that I have the all season tires (not performance) which sets the limiter. Thanks for the help Method.

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Originally Posted by methodtim

Oh really! I never knew that tires are the thing that set the limiter. Good to know!

Too bad I didn't sign on earlier or else I would have answered this for you. Look at the speed rating on your tire's side wall. When and if you want to change the tires on your car, have it reprogrammed to reset the limiter. Here in the US, it really doesn't make a difference because there are not many places where you can safely drive at 150mph, let alone at 130mph. There are many people killing themselves and other innocent victims at much slower speeds, but I'll leave that for another thread.....

mike-y · 03-16-2009, 04:35 PM

yeah, the tires are often the limiting factor. I remember back in the day, my neighbor bought a Camaro Z28, but didn't pay extra for the Z rated tires. sometime later he told me he was messing around on the freeway, and got passed by a civic while he was banging against a 115mph speed limiter.

Blackhawk693 · 03-17-2009, 02:17 AM

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Originally Posted by methodtim

Oh really! I never knew that tires are the thing that set the limiter. Good to know!

Ok you've got me there. The factory put the all-season tires on it for me. When doing so they adjusted the top speed limiter to fit the tires speed rating.

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Originally Posted by bostonrussian

Hmm are you sure you bought a BMW, not a kia? Because at the Herb Chambers Stealership I had a gorgeous blonde with perfect tits and immaculate command of english answer all my questions whenever I had any.

You are retarded, go shoot yourself for all of us.

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Originally Posted by VTECaddict

^^ fail. if you look at OP's location, it says Germany....

xi's dont get the ZSP suspension and sport wheels/tires, so they should have a lower limiter right?

I am in Germany but that doesn't mean my car is German spec.

exidisjon · 03-17-2009, 02:23 AM

When you hit the speed limiter doesnt the rev drop a bit and goes back up and repeats other than just staying put at same rpm? My car's rpm seems to jump as soon as it hits the limiter. And i have seen 325 or 328 not sure xi or i do 150+ somewhere on youtube.

138 ish is probably 135 which means the limiter kicked in. Just my thought.

Nomad · 03-17-2009, 09:15 AM

Stealership is right...if you didnt get the upgraded wheels and the ZSP package your limiter is set lower. (as I mentioned in your other thread this weekend)

I ordered the ZSP and was told if I order the 18" wheels/performance staggered upgrade I will get the limiter moved to 155+ and the oil cooler (hence why I ordered it that way) - now this is for the 335xi 328xi maybe different all together.

Blackhawk693 · 03-17-2009, 09:56 AM

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Originally Posted by Nomad

I ordered the ZSP and was told if I order the 18" wheels/performance staggered upgrade I will get the limiter moved to 155+ and the oil cooler (hence why I ordered it that way) - now this is for the 335xi 328xi maybe different all together.

Not to make excuses (which i am) this was my first car from the factory, first BMW all together, so I didn't know any better. And they didn't warn me about sh*t! But I did want the all weather considering I recieved the car in January in Germany. New wheels to come

Thanks for the info

Nomad · 03-17-2009, 11:39 AM

Rock on and happy tire/wheel purchasing

03-14-2009, 02:51 PM	#1
Blackhawk693 Enlisted Member 5 Rep 46 Posts Drives: 09 328xi Sport, Ipod, HS Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Home of the best beer in the world. iTrader: (0)	Need help with ZSP I have a 2009 328xi with the sport package. Or i assume since i paid for it and eveything says i do. I have done some research. Havent called the dealer yet (closed for the weekend) but im curious about my top speed limiter with ZSP. The car just rolled over 1,500 miles so i decided to slowly take the car above 4500 rpms. On the open Autobahn of course. Well i hit 5,000 rpms at 138 mph and the car just would not go any further. From my understanding top speed is suppose to be 150. Why couldnt i get any higher? Noob question i know, but i do trust the expertise of the drivers on this site. Any info can ease my mind. __________________ 2009 328i XDrive Montego Blue, ZSP, Dark Burl Walnut, heated seats, Black leather, Ipod, 17" wheels.
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Blackhawk693 Enlisted Member 5 Rep 46 Posts Drives: 09 328xi Sport, Ipod, HS Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Home of the best beer in the world. iTrader: (0)	I went to the stealership today and it took a bit of work (they speak very little english and know nothing of american spec) but we came to the conclusion that I have the all season tires (not performance) which sets the limiter. Thanks for the help Method. __________________ 2009 328i XDrive Montego Blue, ZSP, Dark Burl Walnut, heated seats, Black leather, Ipod, 17" wheels.
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VTECaddict Where'd my VTEC go? 481 Rep 6,067 Posts Drives: 06 330i 6MT Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: Seattle, WA iTrader: (4)	^^ fail. if you look at OP's location, it says Germany.... xi's dont get the ZSP suspension and sport wheels/tires, so they should have a lower limiter right? __________________ AW/Terra \| ZSP \| ZPP \| ZCW \| iDrive \| CA Mods: BC BR coilovers \| Blacklines \| M-tech rear \| dual exhaust \| M3 steering wheel \| BMW SSK \| ZHP shift knob \| High-kick CF spoiler \| NBT Retrofit M3 front control arms \| M3 rear guide rods \| Manzo rear toe and camber links \| Monroe rear shock mounts \| Varrstoen ES1 19x9.5+20 Front, 19x11+25 rear
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mike-y just another bmw douche bag 195 Rep 3,640 Posts Drives: 1.9L of fury Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: Los Angeles, CA iTrader: (4)	yeah, the tires are often the limiting factor. I remember back in the day, my neighbor bought a Camaro Z28, but didn't pay extra for the Z rated tires. sometime later he told me he was messing around on the freeway, and got passed by a civic while he was banging against a 115mph speed limiter.
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exidisjon PuffPuffPass 52 Rep 1,096 Posts Drives: E92 335xi AW/Saddle Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: NJ iTrader: (8)	When you hit the speed limiter doesnt the rev drop a bit and goes back up and repeats other than just staying put at same rpm? My car's rpm seems to jump as soon as it hits the limiter. And i have seen 325 or 328 not sure xi or i do 150+ somewhere on youtube. 138 ish is probably 135 which means the limiter kicked in. Just my thought.
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Nomad Why Ask Why?! 24 Rep 405 Posts Drives: 2009 E90 335xi Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: Colorado iTrader: (0)	Stealership is right...if you didnt get the upgraded wheels and the ZSP package your limiter is set lower. (as I mentioned in your other thread this weekend) I ordered the ZSP and was told if I order the 18" wheels/performance staggered upgrade I will get the limiter moved to 155+ and the oil cooler (hence why I ordered it that way) - now this is for the 335xi 328xi maybe different all together. __________________ 2009 335xi E90 \|\|Space Gray\|Black Leather\|Alum Trim/Pedals\|Cold,Sport,Prem Packages\|18" Wheels\|Paddles\|IPOD/USB\|Smartphone\|Park Assist\|Nav/HD/Sirius\|Comfort Access\|Logic 7\|20% Tint\|Escort 9500xi\|\|
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