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      06-16-2008, 12:17 AM   #1
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Camber plate

Who makes/sells them and has anyone here installed one? Thanks!
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      06-16-2008, 09:54 AM   #2
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The Vorshlag plate is getting rave reviews over on bimmerforums.com. Ground Control makes a good one also. There are probably other decent plates as well, but the low-end K-Mac plate I wouldn't recommend.

On the install the strut/spring assembly must be removed and disassembled--this requires a good spring compressor or can be dangerous.
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      06-30-2008, 05:27 PM   #3
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I just ordered a set of Vorshlag camber plates. Will be installing these as soon as the big brown truck shows up. Will post pics/info in a few days.

I'm hoping to get at least -3.5 degrees out of them.
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      06-30-2008, 08:13 PM   #4
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I just ordered a set of Vorshlag camber plates. Will be installing these as soon as the big brown truck shows up. Will post pics/info in a few days.

I'm hoping to get at least -3.5 degrees out of them.
Great! Looking forward to hearing about your experience with them. I have them on my Christmas list.
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Do these sort of mods affect the factory warranty?
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      07-02-2008, 08:04 AM   #6
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Probably, if a front suspension related component failed--like a strut--but that is pretty unlikely.
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      07-02-2008, 10:12 AM   #7
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I'd also bet that lower control arm bushing would be your responsibility as well, which are a concern for BMW drivers.

One thing to note is that with the camber plates being offered, most don;t list a part to be able to replace the upper spring perch, and assume you are using a coilover. So, if you're not planning on changing to a coilover setup, you might have problems with teh upper spring perch, since it has 3 bolts sticking through it that you no longer need with the camber plates... and I'm not so sure you can just cut them off and have the stock plate work.
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      07-02-2008, 11:17 AM   #8
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IIRC, Vorshlag does offer upper perches for OE type springs. In fact the camber plates are one price and the correct upper spring perch for your particular application is ordered and priced seprately.
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IIRC, Vorshlag does offer upper perches for OE type springs. In fact the camber plates are one price and the correct upper spring perch for your particular application is ordered and priced separately.
Yep, Mikeo has it. We only make camber plates with matching upper spring perches, so that we can incorporate a replacement radial bearing and allow for an exact, noise-free fit to the many spring and strut shaft designs offered for the chassis in question. For the E87 we currently cover: 2.25", 60mm, and 2.5" diameter coilovers as well as the OEM strut top for the E87/E90 non-M perches. We'll tackle an E92/90 M3 next.

We have recently been updating our online shopping cart to make it easier to order the right parts, too - now you can go to one page and order the plates and appropriate perches together. Just choose your spring perch style and then strut brand/model. We also made ordering our race only radial bearing an option, but 95% of our plates are sold with the Heavy Duty radial bearing.

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What is the max neg. camber one can achieve without buying plates (just by removing the pin)? I've been looking for a number but can't seem to find one. Anyone know? Thanks!

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      07-16-2008, 12:19 PM   #11
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Jumpman... http://www.1addicts.com/forums/showp...9&postcount=17

However, with H&R springs, pin removed, and a little slotted hole dremel (added 1/8" to slot), I'm at -1.6 deg.
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The Vorshlag pates will work with stock suspension. Just make sure you order the OEM spring perches with them.
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      07-22-2008, 08:18 PM   #14
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What's the max camber allowed with the Vorschlag camber plates with the OEM spring perches on our cars? The webpage does not say.
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      07-22-2008, 08:28 PM   #15
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What's the max camber allowed with the Vorschlag camber plates with the OEM spring perches on our cars? The webpage does not say.
Calling Terry Fair...
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What's the max camber allowed with the Vorshlag camber plates with the OEM spring perches on our cars? The webpage does not say.
I hate it when people do this to me but...

"It depends".

Your final ride height determines the camber to some degree - the lower it sits the more negative camber you get at all plate settings.

Also, we are learning that the new 3 and 1 series cars are a bit camber limited compared to previous BMW 3 generations, so we have now begun shipping the plates at a new caster setting which should help you maximize negative camber travel.

We've seen cars with OEM uppers get as little as -2° and as much as -3° max negative camber. Coilovers really help, too - And I don't mean the aftermarket "coilover" struts that use a tapered spring - which has the same limitations as stock. You see the OEM perch is pretty big and it limits camber travel inside the strut tower (as well as front tire clearance to the inside front fender lip).



Above is a picture of an E92 with AST 4200 coilovers and Vorshlag plates - note how the spring is not limiting travel. The 1 series shares the same strut tower and suspension layout.



Note how much bigger the OEM style spring is compared to a 60mm coilover spring? That's what eats up so much room in the strut tower area...

So if you choose to stick with OEM style springs, or "coilovers" that use the OEM upper spring perch, you won't get as much camber travel as a car with real coilovers that use 2.5" or 60mm I.D. springs. Those cars tend to get a lot more camber with our plates.

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BerkTechnology - I see here http://www.1addicts.com/forums/showthread.php?t=13413 that you got your Vorshlag plates. But the KW V3s probably give you more camber range than the stock suspension, right?

I was hoping that someone could relate their experience with the Vorshlag plates and stock (MSport) suspension, to compare to Terry's estimates above.

If nobody's done this, I'll let you know when I get mine put in.
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BerkTechnology - I see here http://www.1addicts.com/forums/showthread.php?t=13413 that you got your Vorshlag plates. But the KW V3s probably give you more camber range than the stock suspension, right?

I was hoping that someone could relate their experience with the Vorshlag plates and stock (MSport) suspension, to compare to Terry's estimates above.

If nobody's done this, I'll let you know when I get mine put in.
The KW's or any other coilver suspension won't give you any more/less clearance for more camber. Static camber is dictated by the position of the strut mounting position on the MacPherson layout that we have.

From what I can tell, the OEM sized spring perch or a standard 60mm spring doesn't give you any more or less clearance. The top hat will start hitting the chassis before the spring would on our setup.

On the McStrut's we have on the 1er, you will have max static camber as the lower A-arm is just above parallel with the ground. As you LOWER the car further, you LOSE negative camber.

On a traditional upper/lower A-arm setup (aka double wishbone) that you'll find in just about every high end sports car, you will gain negative camber as you lower the car or the car leans into a corner.

We're maxed out at just about -2.1 deg. That is just about the limit of what you can do on this car before you have to start making some custom mods down there which takes you out of the plug and play group.

Even at -2.1 deg, you'll have some minor rubbing issues down there with the brake line bracket and one of the sensor "boxes" down there.

Let us know how everything works out for you once you get it all on. I think that getting some decent camber up in the front of these cars is going to be one of the best things you can do to make these cars handle better.
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      08-07-2008, 12:48 AM   #19
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I think you can get about -2.5 degrees with KW Clubsport...
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I think you can get about -2.5 degrees with KW Clubsport...
With the clubsports the camber plate is setup a bit different than the KW's. From the way it looks I think you would be able to get a little bit more than the Vorshlag plates. -2.5 deg sounds about right.
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I got -3 degrees with my KW Clubsport. There is small movement available by moving the factory mount as well, and combining this with the KW's racing top mount gives it -3 degrees.
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      09-10-2008, 09:31 PM   #22
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-3 degrees? I need to check mine. I got less than that and I'm at max with slotted bolt mounts. Looks sexy! :wink: How you like the Clubsports?

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I got -3 degrees with my KW Clubsport. There is small movement available by moving the factory mount as well, and combining this with the KW's racing top mount gives it -3 degrees.
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