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      07-11-2005, 07:40 AM   #1
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Do I have Logic 7?

I just got an E90 with 500 miles on the clock. The dealer has no idea what packages it has on it, but it was a good deal because of the 500 miles. I'm pretty sure the car is not properly broken in, but still a good deal. I'm wondering if it has the Pro Audio package. It says professional audio on the head unit, it has two tweeters on the corners of the windows, an AUX input in the hand rest and I can select Logic 7 Music or Logic 7 Cinema in the menus. I'm not very impressed with the sound and it doesn't have a CD changer in the back (just a plastic cover that says this is where it goes). I had to mess with the equalizer to get some decent sound out of it, but it's not that bad now. I just wanted to make sure it's there, because I've read here that if it doesn't have a CD changer in the trunk, it doesn't have Logic 7.

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CD Changer has nothing to do with it

Do you have a speaker in each REAR door ? Then it has logic 7
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      07-11-2005, 08:19 AM   #3
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The dealer has no idea what packages it has on it
That's absurd. Call BMWNA (1-800-831-1117) with your VIN, and any of the reps can tell you EXACTLY which options this vehicle has.
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That's absurd. Call BMWNA (1-800-831-1117) with your VIN, and any of the reps can tell you EXACTLY which options this vehicle has.
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Ah, nice. Thanks for the help!
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CD Changer has nothing to do with it

Do you have a speaker in each REAR door ? Then it has logic 7
Ah, yes, it does. Thanks!
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Ah, nice. Thanks for the help!
Now, I'm really confused. I called BMWNA and they said it has premium package, cold weather package and HiFi Audio. He told me that the Pro is different. Are there more than 2 options for audio?
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Hi George, from your signature it appears that you have a 330i, so you must have the logic 7 audio package. The Pro is a label used in the euro market. BMWNA should dump some of their uninformed employees and hire E90Fleet...
Great to have someone else from Columbia on the list!
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Now, I'm really confused. I called BMWNA and they said it has premium package, cold weather package and HiFi Audio. He told me that the Pro is different. Are there more than 2 options for audio?
Hey George, I am a little confused. Didn't you have the window sticker that details the VIN and all the features of the car when you bought the car? I believe even if you did not get the original sticker, all dealers are supposed to disclose everything before selling..

Either way, if you have logic 7 that allows you to select "Concert Hall' or "Theater" settings, you have premium sound package . Excerpt from official BMW USA website:

Premium Sound System

Logic7 Surround Sound anti-theft AM/FM stereo CD/MP3* player audio system provides outstanding sound with 13 speakers and the adjustable surround sound function to create a luxurious soundscape all around you. The central concept, which uses subwoofers with door sill connection, makes for an authentic bass sound.



The 6 Disc CD changer is an extra option
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Hi George, from your signature it appears that you have a 330i, so you must have the logic 7 audio package. The Pro is a label used in the euro market. BMWNA should dump some of their uninformed employees and hire E90Fleet...
Great to have someone else from Columbia on the list!
Ah, ok. No wonder I couldn't find the damn option on bmwusa.com configurator. The system sounds good either way, but i just wanted to see how good of a deal I got (I guess I should have asked these questions before I got the car). Well, if you see a Jet Black 330i around, then that's me.
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Hey George, I am a little confused. Didn't you have the window sticker that details the VIN and all the features of the car when you bought the car? I believe even if you did not get the original sticker, all dealers are supposed to disclose everything before selling..

Either way, if you have logic 7 that allows you to select "Concert Hall' or "Theater" settings, you have premium sound package . Excerpt from official BMW USA website:

Premium Sound System

Logic7 Surround Sound anti-theft AM/FM stereo CD/MP3* player audio system provides outstanding sound with 13 speakers and the adjustable surround sound function to create a luxurious soundscape all around you. The central concept, which uses subwoofers with door sill connection, makes for an authentic bass sound.



The 6 Disc CD changer is an extra option
Seems like it is what I have. The sticker was not on (or in) the car. Dealer gave me a quote, which was well below the quote on the web, and he said it also has "some" options. This is not a BMW dealer, just a local car dealer, who buys and sells expensive cars. I'm taking my chances a bit with the 500 miles it had on it (which I'm sure are rip-me-apart-while-testing miles), but I'm counting on the warranty.
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This is not a BMW dealer, just a local car dealer, who buys and sells expensive cars. I'm taking my chances a bit with the 500 miles it had on it (which I'm sure are rip-me-apart-while-testing miles), but I'm counting on the warranty.
Hmmm I assume it's a 330 what's the badge say? Seems a tad strange that a broker/dealer has gotten his hands on a e90 already.

How much did you pay for it?
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Hmmm I assume it's a 330 what's the badge say? Seems a tad strange that a broker/dealer has gotten his hands on a e90 already.

How much did you pay for it?
It is an E90. I know what it looks like and I just checked the VIN with BMWNA (see above post). He gets cars all the time. He had one of the first Gallardos and now he's got an Aston Martin (not the Vanquish). He also has an old Cobra from South Africa etc., etc. I trust the guy, I've gotten 5 cars from him and he's nice. He just has people working for him, cause he's too busy and he doesn't know exactly what he has in there. I had a trade in and it's kinda hard to say exactly how much I paid, because he gave me more for the trade in than blue book. But all in all, if you consider he paid blue book for my trade in, I paid about 34K and it has the premium and cold weather. So, it's a decent deal. The trade-in had a few issues as well, that'll probably need fixing at some point. Here are some pictures I took of the car:

http://cybergeorge.net/bmw/bmw.html

The authorized dealer in town btw, has 3 E90's in the showroom. I know my dealer got this deeply discounted because it was a test drive car. But I'll sell it in 3 years anyway and warranty is for 4, so I think I'll be ok.
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Car looks great! Can't beat the price if that is what you paid.... especially with blue book for your trade-in.

500 miles I'm sure you have nothing to worry about
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Hey George, I am a little confused. Didn't you have the window sticker that details the VIN and all the features of the car when you bought the car? I believe even if you did not get the original sticker, all dealers are supposed to disclose everything before selling..

Either way, if you have logic 7 that allows you to select "Concert Hall' or "Theater" settings, you have premium sound package . Excerpt from official BMW USA website:

Premium Sound System

Logic7 Surround Sound anti-theft AM/FM stereo CD/MP3* player audio system provides outstanding sound with 13 speakers and the adjustable surround sound function to create a luxurious soundscape all around you. The central concept, which uses subwoofers with door sill connection, makes for an authentic bass sound.



The 6 Disc CD changer is an extra option
I can't select "Concert Hall' or "Theater" settings, I can only select Music or Cinema, there is no difference between the sound quality of the two as far as I can tell.

Why is this???
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I can't select "Concert Hall' or "Theater" settings, I can only select Music or Cinema, there is no difference between the sound quality of the two as far as I can tell.

Why is this???
There's only Music or Cinema settings.
Cinema will put the vocals in the centre dash speaker only, whereas
Music will have the vocals coming from the left/right and centre speakers.
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George, you have Logic 7 system PERIOD. 330i in North America has Logic7 as the standard one.
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There's only Music or Cinema settings.
Cinema will put the vocals in the centre dash speaker only, whereas
Music will have the vocals coming from the left/right and centre speakers.
That is not the case with my car, there is no discernible difference between the two, when I select Cinema the vocals due not switch to the centre speaker.

I have an appointment Monday to get Satellite radio installed hopefully this will help the matter.
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Premium Sound System

Logic7 Surround Sound anti-theft AM/FM stereo CD/MP3* player audio system provides outstanding sound with 13 speakers and the adjustable surround sound function to create a luxurious soundscape all around you. The central concept, which uses subwoofers with door sill connection, makes for an authentic bass sound.
I've always been led to believe that the 2 subs were under the front seats, but the official BMWNA brochure has this wording and is a little different that what's above.

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The subwoofer speakers are in the door sill and produce an authentic bass sound. (std. in 330i)
Then in turn, the caption is underneath a picture that shows the speaker in the rear passenger door.

What's up with this?
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That is not the case with my car, there is no discernible difference between the two, when I select Cinema the vocals due not switch to the centre speaker.

I have an appointment Monday to get Satellite radio installed hopefully this will help the matter.
Non-iDrive cars get those two modes. When you do the comparison, try different music sources (FM, AUX, CD). I don't believe all music will flip the vocals to center. I can't remember which was which. Frankly the Cinema setting seemed odd to me to listen to, so I always have it set to music mode.
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I've always been led to believe that the 2 subs were under the front seats, but the official BMWNA brochure has this wording and is a little different that what's above.


Then in turn, the caption is underneath a picture that shows the speaker in the rear passenger door.

What's up with this?
Manufacturers often refer to midrange speakers as subwoofer too

The 2 low frequency speakers are under the front seats
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Manufacturers often refer to midrange speakers as subwoofer too

The 2 low frequency speakers are under the front seats
I've never seen that (calling midrange speakers subwoofers) done over here. Subs are just that. So basically the idea of Logic 7 to include those 2 extra speakers in the rear doors are not what we normally think of as subwoofers but midrange speakers. Got it.
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