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      09-21-2007, 06:51 PM   #1
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Hey guys, I was just wondering if any of you have any experience with North Jersey dealers. I would like to put a deposit and be put on the list, but I don't know what dealership to go to. Any suggestions would be appreciated, thanks
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      09-22-2007, 09:11 AM   #2
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Hi, I'm new to this forum i usually hang out at Bimmerfest. Try Flemington BMW, I've used there service dept and it's top knotch. they are also a Dinan dealer.
I personally have not purchased a car their yet, but my neighbor has and he said he had a great experience.

i hope this helps.
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      09-22-2007, 10:22 AM   #3
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Thanks a lot, it's kind of far from me, but I might go and check it out.
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      09-22-2007, 01:32 PM   #4
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My brother has purchased cars at both JMK and Morristown BMW and has had good experiences at both. He does however like Morristown BMW slightly better for what its worth.
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      09-22-2007, 04:54 PM   #5
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just dealt with Circle BMW and they were pretty cool so far
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      09-24-2007, 03:56 PM   #6
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just dealt with Circle BMW and they were pretty cool so far
Who did you deal with at Circle? I'm there frequently (service, parts, etc). Just wondering...also you're only on the waiting list for their allocation right? No negotiating on any pricing yet? Correct?

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      09-24-2007, 04:14 PM   #7
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Thanks for all your replies. Do you guys think there will be any room for negotiating if you put deposit to be on the list?
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      09-24-2007, 07:29 PM   #8
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Who did you deal with at Circle? I'm there frequently (service, parts, etc). Just wondering...also you're only on the waiting list for their allocation right? No negotiating on any pricing yet? Correct?

-Chris
all i did was sign a purchase order and put down a deposit at MSRP. as far as i know i am number 1 on the list.... check your PM's
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      09-24-2007, 10:29 PM   #9
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Sorry to hijack, but anyone with experience with Freehold BMW? I work in Freehold, so it's really my local dealership. I had a horrendous experience across the highway at David Michael when I was trying to buy my current car ahead of the sales date, so I'm sort of wary of the area now. But I'd hate to drive out to Long Branch if I can get a similar experience locally, especially knowing there's at least one person ahead of me on the list! Thanks!
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      09-25-2007, 07:04 AM   #10
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Sorry to hijack, but anyone with experience with Freehold BMW? I work in Freehold, so it's really my local dealership. I had a horrendous experience across the highway at David Michael when I was trying to buy my current car ahead of the sales date, so I'm sort of wary of the area now. But I'd hate to drive out to Long Branch if I can get a similar experience locally, especially knowing there's at least one person ahead of me on the list! Thanks!
Freehold is under new ownership. It used to be King BMW, and it was absolutely horrible. Sales and service. Going out of business was probably the best thing that could have happened. Now it's owned by DCH, which as you know is a large corp that owns many dealers. Given that, YMMV. It'll depend on who you talk to, who you deal with, etc.

As for Circle, my folks bought their first new BMW 22 yrs ago from them. *In general* the Circle guys have been good over the last 2+ decades. There have been some off times, but you can generally count on them. I have dealt with a few guys in sales (hence my question above). Their general customer basis is very good, and they are the only dealer in the area, so they have very healthy margins in general. I don't know if you'll really be able to deal with them; particularly on a 135i. Service and Parts are excellent at Circle (I know a couple guys in both who're VERY good).

Personally, I'm still on the fence between a 135i or a 335i coupe. I prefer the looks and feel of the 335i; but I can't get around the ~400+ lbs weight advantage (and thus performance) of the 135i. I *was* going to put a deposit down on the 135i - and I know you can't really go wrong if you really want one - but I'm going to wait a bit until I see it in the flesh.

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... I prefer the looks and feel of the 335i; but I can't get around the ~400+ lbs weight advantage (and thus performance) of the 135i ...
fyi -

135i unladen EU weight: 1560 kg
335i unladen EU weight: 1655 kg

1655 - 1560 = 95 kg = ~210 lbs

http://www.bmw.co.uk

EDIT: I screwed up. 335i unladen EU weight w/ manual is 1600 kg. making a difference of 80 lbs.
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fyi -

135i unladen EU weight: 1560 kg
335i unladen EU weight: 1655 kg

1655 - 1560 = 95 kg = ~210 lbs

http://www.bmw.co.uk
I must have had the new M3 figures in mind...
US curb 335i: 3571 lbs
Estimate for US curb for 135i I've seen: ~3250 lbs
...so that's ~ 300+ lbs.
New M3 claims 3650-3700 lbs curb weight estimate...so there's the 400+ lbs difference I was mistakenly thinking of.

As for your figures...check out bmw.de, download the 3-coupe catalog.
Empty weight EU for 335i is actually 1600 kg. So...what happened to that 55 kg? Options? Do we see BMW playing around (again) with options and specs for the weights?

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      09-25-2007, 08:18 AM   #13
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edit: apologies the 335i manual is 1600 kg. so 1600-1560 = 40 kg = 88 lbs. That is actually in line with what i remembered it being. i must have previously selected the wrong 3 series.
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no clue. i would expect that all things being equal comparing the weights officially posted at the same source would provide a measure of the true difference in the car weights (irrespective of gas or luggage) since they are using the same standard for both cars.
Gas, driver, and luggage weights are specified by the EU (see the note in BMW's tech specs pdfs). That's not the issue, as you rightly put it.

The issue is that BMW can 'spec' a base 135i or a fully optioned one to base the weight off of. This can amount to significant differences. For example, power seats vs manual seats can easily add 20-30 lbs per seat in extra weight.
...and we don't know what car with what options BMW actually used for the weights.

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      09-25-2007, 08:27 PM   #15
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Freehold is under new ownership. It used to be King BMW, and it was absolutely horrible. Sales and service. Going out of business was probably the best thing that could have happened. Now it's owned by DCH, which as you know is a large corp that owns many dealers. Given that, YMMV. It'll depend on who you talk to, who you deal with, etc.
Thanks, Chris. That's exactly what I was afraid of. Looks like there's a trip to Long Branch in my future...
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