Check out this video ...Thunderhill this past weekend

S4to335 · 01-13-2009, 11:48 PM

I was not there...it was full because I asked too late to instruct...one of the guys there has a Nissan GT-R..here is one of his videos. To be honest..I think he should have been black flagged for his escapades after T13 on the back straight..he did not get a point buy..nor did he have room to pass that other guy. Period.

scollins · 01-14-2009, 06:59 PM

Hmmmmm, I've never heard of 3 car point-by right before a corner. If I was in one of those 3 cars, I'd be pretty pissed off at that guy. Maybe the event organizers should have look at that video and give the driver some very specific "feedback".....

Bubbles · 01-14-2009, 07:34 PM

Nice move Ass-hat! Reminds me of certain Z06 drivers on the track.

nicknaz · 01-14-2009, 07:42 PM

not sure the lack of point by is an issue.. maybe it was an open passing group. but seems like he had to drop wheels on the left side of the track to get past the red car, which is not acceptable

btw how did he get that video + speedo overlay? is that a telemetry package that can be installed on any car?

Hit_Apex · 01-14-2009, 08:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Nick Nazareno

not sure the lack of point by is an issue.. maybe it was an open passing group. but seems like he had to drop wheels on the left side of the track to get past the red car, which is not acceptable

btw how did he get that video + speedo overlay? is that a telemetry package that can be installed on any car?

Google Traqmate.

nicknaz · 01-14-2009, 09:10 PM

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Google Traqmate.

I thought Traqmate only overlays onto track maps, not onto video?

S4to335 · 01-14-2009, 11:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Nick Nazareno

not sure the lack of point by is an issue.. maybe it was an open passing group. but seems like he had to drop wheels on the left side of the track to get past the red car, which is not acceptable

btw how did he get that video + speedo overlay? is that a telemetry package that can be installed on any car?

The owner of the GT-R was my student many moons ago....when he had a 2004/5 M5..then he got a Cayman S...then he got a Porsche Turbo ....then he got the GT-R. I think money is no object with him. He didnt do that kinda stuff when I was instructing him...this is the fastest car he has owned so far.

jbake · 01-14-2009, 11:43 PM

Sweet video. He was driving pretty well overall. That pass was dangerous, seems like that turn came quicker than he thought.

S4to335 · 01-15-2009, 07:55 AM

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Originally Posted by Nick Nazareno

not sure the lack of point by is an issue.. maybe it was an open passing group. but seems like he had to drop wheels on the left side of the track to get past the red car, which is not acceptable

btw how did he get that video + speedo overlay? is that a telemetry package that can be installed on any car?

This is the Audi club..there are no open passing groups there.

kenneth · 01-15-2009, 08:03 AM

He should be severely reprimanded. He never lifted upon coming onto traffic to give the passees a chance to give him a point by, WHEN the passees consider it safe to do so!

That is the Basic rule of HPDE's. Having a much faster car than the rest should not be an excuse for this kind of reckless behaviour.

O-cha · 01-15-2009, 10:18 AM

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Originally Posted by kenneth

He should be severely reprimanded. He never lifted upon coming onto traffic to give the passees a chance to give him a point by, WHEN the passees consider it safe to do so!

Personally I don't think you should EVER have to lift to wait to get a point by, the fact that most of the time you do is quite annoying. Drivers should be aware of the track enough to give you the point by right out of the turn. A lot of the point bys I give are while tracking out of a turn, it's absolutely unacceptable for people to wait till half way down the straight to give a point by.

That guy was still a douche though

S4to335 · 01-15-2009, 10:32 AM

The issue was that Audi 4000...red one..and the other cars were going REALLY slow. The speed differential between them was tremendous...probably 70-115 or so. That made the decision making time...a second or two. I have run in the instructor group with the Audi club for years...I would come up on this one female instructor (that really should not have been running in the instructor group since she is SO slow) with a huge speed differential..and I just had to tuck behind her until she gave me the passing signal.

nicknaz · 01-15-2009, 10:48 AM

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Originally Posted by S4to335

that really should not have been running in the instructor group since she is SO slow) with a huge speed differential..and I just had to tuck behind her until she gave me the passing signal.

That sucks.

stressdoc · 01-15-2009, 11:29 AM

Mixing apples and oranges was a recipe for disaster. GT-R was soo much faster.

kenneth · 01-15-2009, 08:07 PM

Ocha I totally agree that taking forever to give point by is no better and is usually reprimanded too, but it shouldn't be used as an excuse to do something even more dangerous.

Having said that, isn't he supposed to be in an advanced group? And if so, I would have thought the variance in such a group to be narrower (with the exception of S4to335 female instructor), or that folks in such a group to be experienced and quick enough to let this guy by!

kenneth · 01-15-2009, 08:13 PM

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Originally Posted by S4to335

The issue was that Audi 4000...red one..and the other cars were going REALLY slow. The speed differential between them was tremendous...probably 70-115 or so. That made the decision making time...a second or two. I have run in the instructor group with the Audi club for years...I would come up on this one female instructor (that really should not have been running in the instructor group since she is SO slow) with a huge speed differential..and I just had to tuck behind her until she gave me the passing signal.

What happened to her? Can't imagine her record wasn't affected in the long run!

mike-y · 01-15-2009, 09:39 PM

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Originally Posted by O-cha

Personally I don't think you should EVER have to lift to wait to get a point by, the fact that most of the time you do is quite annoying. Drivers should be aware of the track enough to give you the point by right out of the turn. A lot of the point bys I give are while tracking out of a turn, it's absolutely unacceptable for people to wait till half way down the straight to give a point by.

That guy was still a douche though

Normally, I agree with this. It can be frustrating, especially when the guy that is holding you up has a car with more power than yours, and thinks he can lose you in the straight, even though you are stuck to his bumper again after the first turn.

In this case, the GT-R was so much faster than the other cars, they didn't even see him because he came onto the straight much later than they did. Cars that different in speed shouldn't be out during the same session, especially if there are a lot of novice drivers. the GTR should have yielded to the other cars to be safe, but the red car should have checked his mirrors before pulling out to pass. They are all lucky that nothing happened.

S4to335 · 01-16-2009, 12:03 AM

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What happened to her? Can't imagine her record wasn't affected in the long run!

She gave up on teaching...she was in a WRX.

nicknaz · 01-16-2009, 12:45 AM

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Originally Posted by S4to335

She gave up on teaching...she was in a WRX.

Even a stock '02 WRX isn't THAT slow.... ?

S4to335 · 01-16-2009, 10:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Nick Nazareno

Even a stock '02 WRX isn't THAT slow.... ?

Case of decent car...very slow driver.

uberschnell · 01-20-2009, 09:27 AM

I wonder, with that speed differential, if the driver of red audi had looked in the rear and seen nothing then moved left and Hello!

Still, it's insane how quickly the GTR got to 130+ on the front straight.

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nicknaz Lieutenant General 3187 Rep 10,509 Posts Drives: C6Z Join Date: May 2008 Location: NorCal iTrader: (0)	not sure the lack of point by is an issue.. maybe it was an open passing group. but seems like he had to drop wheels on the left side of the track to get past the red car, which is not acceptable btw how did he get that video + speedo overlay? is that a telemetry package that can be installed on any car?
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kenneth Major General 125 Rep 8,745 Posts Drives: 335i Sedan Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Montreal iTrader: (16)	He should be severely reprimanded. He never lifted upon coming onto traffic to give the passees a chance to give him a point by, WHEN the passees consider it safe to do so! That is the Basic rule of HPDE's. Having a much faster car than the rest should not be an excuse for this kind of reckless behaviour. __________________ SB, Terra, 6MT. Only a few mods here and there.....nothing extreme!
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S4to335 Brigadier General 434 Rep 4,380 Posts Drives: 2014 Audi A4 / 91 Track Miata Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: San Jose, CA iTrader: (5) Garage List 2007 BMW 335i sedan [8.00]	The issue was that Audi 4000...red one..and the other cars were going REALLY slow. The speed differential between them was tremendous...probably 70-115 or so. That made the decision making time...a second or two. I have run in the instructor group with the Audi club for years...I would come up on this one female instructor (that really should not have been running in the instructor group since she is SO slow) with a huge speed differential..and I just had to tuck behind her until she gave me the passing signal. __________________ Car is now gone .... :-(
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kenneth Major General 125 Rep 8,745 Posts Drives: 335i Sedan Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Montreal iTrader: (16)	Ocha I totally agree that taking forever to give point by is no better and is usually reprimanded too, but it shouldn't be used as an excuse to do something even more dangerous. Having said that, isn't he supposed to be in an advanced group? And if so, I would have thought the variance in such a group to be narrower (with the exception of S4to335 female instructor), or that folks in such a group to be experienced and quick enough to let this guy by! __________________ SB, Terra, 6MT. Only a few mods here and there.....nothing extreme!
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