[M3to335]

This is an odd question but hang with me.

Monday when running VIR full course I had tried a slightly different approach to getting into 2nd gear around Oak Tree. Typically I come out of T10 in 4th gear, blip down to 3rd then blip to 2nd at about 5 grand before turning into T11. This has never been an issue.

Yesterday I bliped down to 3rd cut into T11 then drove straight to T11a and tried to blip down to 2nd gear. No matter what, 2nd gear would not engage. Its only on that turn in those conditions. I litterally have to wait till the RPMs dropped all the way back down and then push it into gear.

I dont have a CDV so thats not even in question. Has anyone else experienced this?

[kenneth]

Is the car flat while downshifting to 2nd at 11a? I am thinking perhaps the car is still twisting while downshifting which would slightly twist the transmission relative to the gear rod???

[sky]

maybe double clutching will help get it into gear?

[leftcoastman]

Two possible issues:

1) you are trying to slam it into second and accidentally moving it too far to the left. basically you're horizontally in the same plane as reverse. Has happened to me before.

2) you need to double declutch because your synchros are hurting.

[M3to335]

Originally Posted by kenneth

Is the car flat while downshifting to 2nd at 11a? I am thinking perhaps the car is still twisting while downshifting which would slightly twist the transmission relative to the gear rod???

Its relativlely flat. Regardless Id hope this car is stiffer than that

Originally Posted by sky

maybe double clutching will help get it into gear?

Originally Posted by leftcoastman

Two possible issues:

1) you are trying to slam it into second and accidentally moving it too far to the left. basically you're horizontally in the same plane as reverse. Has happened to me before.

2) you need to double declutch because your synchros are hurting.

Hmm I was pretty busy concentrating on 10 different things in a very short duration and could have accidenatlly been doing that. Who knows.

Leftocoast said something about double clutching and you said something about double de-clutching. What do you mean by double de-clutching? I dont do either by the way.

[S4to335]

Originally Posted by M3to335

Its relativlely flat. Regardless Id hope this car is stiffer than that





Hmm I was pretty busy concentrating on 10 different things in a very short duration and could have accidenatlly been doing that. Who knows.

Leftocoast said something about double clutching and you said something about double de-clutching. What do you mean by double de-clutching? I dont do either by the way.

Double clutching = match revs..take it out of gear...blip throttle again...then downshift

[sky]

Originally Posted by M3to335

...Leftocoast said something about double clutching and you said something about double de-clutching. What do you mean by double de-clutching? I dont do either by the way.

double clutch is clutch in, shifting out of gear to neutral, clutch out, blip
the throttle to rev match, clutch in, shift into gear. with a little practice,
this can be done in one seamless motion.

[M3to335]

Yeah I know what it is but have never seen the use for it. Whats the advantage of bliping with the clutch out in neutral? I simply clutch in, blip and shift to a lower gear (hell toe).

I just have never heard of "double DE-clutching" before.

[O-cha]

Originally Posted by M3to335

Its relativlely flat. Regardless Id hope this car is stiffer than that

Looking at it it's a long sweeper? Can't really tell. If you're still pretty G loaded while trying to downshift the transmission is probably shifted.

Originally Posted by M3to335

Yeah I know what it is but have never seen the use for it. Whats the advantage of bliping with the clutch out in neutral? I simply clutch in, blip and shift to a lower gear (hell toe).

I just have never heard of "double DE-clutching" before.

Back when synchros didn't exist you HAD to. While the car is in neutral with the clutch engaged blipping the throttle raises the revs of the gearbox so you are able to downshift without grinding the hell out of the cogs.

Try shifting into first from second some time. Probably wont go into gear easily. Then double clutch and it will go in like butter.

[Mr. 5]

It has happened to me before, and I believe I have the answer for you.
I am not 100% sure about this, but I'm pretty sure.

Sometimes, I will admit that when I am driving a bit spirited, my adrenaline is going and when I try to go into 2nd under Gs, I push the lever too far over into the reverse area.
Since I am in the reverse area and trying to shift downward then obviously it won't let me.

I say this because it has happened to me a couple times, and the last time I have experienced this, I noticed that all I had to do was let the lever go back to the first/second gate and then I was able to go into second.

Do you think that this is happening to you?

[M3to335]

Originally Posted by Mr. 5

It has happened to me before, and I believe I have the answer for you.
I am not 100% sure about this, but I'm pretty sure.

Sometimes, I will admit that when I am driving a bit spirited, my adrenaline is going and when I try to go into 2nd under Gs, I push the lever too far over into the reverse area.
Since I am in the reverse area and trying to shift downward then obviously it won't let me.

I say this because it has happened to me a couple times, and the last time I have experienced this, I noticed that all I had to do was let the lever go back to the first/second gate and then I was able to go into second.

Do you think that this is happening to you?

Im really thinking that may have been what was happening. I only attempted it twice and yes I was being thrown to the left pretty hard. I kept pushing down thinking I was in 2nd when most likely I was not. Stupid huh.

Im leaning against the double-clutching issue since I had no issues going from 4 to 3 to 2 before entering 11.

[Mr. 5]

Originally Posted by M3to335

Im really thinking that may have been what was happening. I only attempted it twice and yes I was being thrown to the left pretty hard. I kept pushing down thinking I was in 2nd when most likely I was not. Stupid huh.

Im leaning against the double-clutching issue since I had no issues going from 4 to 3 to 2 before entering 11.

Ususally it never happens when I go 4-3-2, but it's times where I go from 4-2, while braking under pressure, etc. This is when I try too hard and try to throw it in gear where there's not a gate.

[nicknaz]

Originally Posted by Mr. 5

Sometimes, I will admit that when I am driving a bit spirited, my adrenaline is going and when I try to go into 2nd under Gs, I push the lever too far over into the reverse area.
Since I am in the reverse area and trying to shift downward then obviously it won't let me.

+1 I too think it is going into the reverse area by accident (I've done this also)

I was told once that when we are under stress/concentration on the track that whatever we think is a 'light touch' on the controls is like a 'gorilla death grip' on the controls

Being extra conscious of the pressure you are applying to the gear lever when trying to go into 2nd will probably make this issue go away