[abc123]

Look as if they are doing decent discounts....


BMW M140i 3dr [Nav] £24,907 Save 23.5%

BMW 335d xDrive M Sport Tourer Step Auto £33,120 Save 23%

BMW 440i M Sport Coupe Auto [Professional Media]* £33,845 Save 24.5%

BMW 440i M Sport Convertible Auto [Professional Media]* £36,710 Save 24.75%

[Canary_Yellow]

How does that compare to Coast2Coast?

[robbiep]

Just checked for the M140i. C2C about £300 more expensive.

[Steve_M_Sport]

My usual BMW dealer has offered me this deal on a very well specced F31 340i which is in stock with BMW UK for immediate delivery (March 17)


List Price £49,850

Discount £9,638

PX Price £23,000

Price to Change £17,212

Not quite the discount C2C or DTD are offering but nearly 20%

[james d]

Push for a tad more Steve,I got about 21% off my 340 Touring which was about £700 less than C2C quote too and my list was about £48k too so fewer options.
Can't comment on the P/Ex obvs but worth an extra little "chat" I'd say!

[Goneinsixtyseconds]

Drivethedeal are only just back in the game with BMW and already their website is more up to date than BMW!

You can configure the new options on their site to get aa price, but BMW UK can't even get their configurator ready in 6 plus weeks. Rubbish.

And BMW UK have still kept the rubbish pic BMW made of a 440i with 420d exhausts. The rest of Europe had the same, but corrected theirs weeks ago.

[Goneinsixtyseconds]

Originally Posted by Steve_M_Sport

My usual BMW dealer has offered me this deal on a very well specced F31 340i which is in stock with BMW UK for immediate delivery (March 17)


List Price £49,850

Discount £9,638

PX Price £23,000

Price to Change £17,212

Not quite the discount C2C or DTD are offering but nearly 20%

They're ripping you off on the options. The £9,638 is what is available for the standard car right now, you should get the same discount in the options as well. Push for that.

DTD are one of the few sites that discount your options when you add them as well, so a good reference then bartering with the dealer.

Plus, they should be desperate to get rid before April and the tax changes. I bet some will pre register stock cars in March for this reason.

[Chompers]

Originally Posted by Alex440

They're ripping you off on the options. The £9,638 is what is available for the standard car right now, you should get the same discount in the options as well. Push for that.

DTD are one of the few sites that discount your options when you add them as well, so a good reference then bartering with the dealer.

Plus, they should be desperate to get rid before April and the tax changes. I bet some will pre register stock cars in March for this reason.

Why would they be desperate to get rid of before April , I'd suggest the opposite. March is one of the busiest months of the year, lots of deals to be done and not huge amounts of stock. Things have firmed up a little on deals if anything. it's the buyers that are desperate, finally waking up to the fact VED changes will soon be upon them.

[AndyEssex330d]

Originally Posted by abc123

Look as if they are doing decent discounts....


BMW M140i 3dr [Nav] £24,907 Save 23.5%

BMW 335d xDrive M Sport Tourer Step Auto £33,120 Save 23%

BMW 440i M Sport Coupe Auto [Professional Media]* £33,845 Save 24.5%

BMW 440i M Sport Convertible Auto [Professional Media]* £36,710 Save 24.75%

And we wonder why they depreciate like a stone!

BMW need to be more Audi like in their pricing, or stop over inflating the RRP prices!

[Chompers]

Originally Posted by AndyEssex330d

And we wonder why they depreciate like a stone!

BMW need to be more Audi like in their pricing, or stop over inflating the RRP prices!

Really, I think Audi need to stop over inflating their residual values on PCP's. They may be a good deal to get into up front, but they are near impossible to get out of the other end.

[AndyEssex330d]

Originally Posted by Chompers

Really, I think Audi need to stop over inflating their residual values on PCP's. They may be a good deal to get into up front, but they are near impossible to get out of the other end.

I've never had an Audi pcp and am not going to start! I just was highlighting the silly discounts available, meaning the RRP is only relevant to the one or two individuals who are stupid enough to pay it

[ronime]

Originally Posted by Alex440

They're ripping you off on the options. The £9,638 is what is available for the standard car right now, you should get the same discount in the options as well. Push for that.

DTD are one of the few sites that discount your options when you add them as well, so a good reference then bartering with the dealer.

Plus, they should be desperate to get rid before April and the tax changes. I bet some will pre register stock cars in March for this reason.

Swings and roundabouts, some of the brokers offer healthy discounts off the base price but nothing off options, others offer a lesser discount on both the base price and options.

Options don't add much to residuals which is why some lease companies assume 100% depreciation on the options and all paid for by you.

High list prices provide a useful (to the vendor) reference point for used car values.

[Chompers]

Originally Posted by AndyEssex330d

I've never had an Audi pcp and am not going to start! I just was highlighting the silly discounts available, meaning the RRP is only relevant to the one or two individuals who are stupid enough to pay it

I agree with your point, they are all as bad as each other.

[Goneinsixtyseconds]

Originally Posted by ronime

Swings and roundabouts, some of the brokers offer healthy discounts off the base price but nothing off options, others offer a lesser discount on both the base price and options.

Options don't add much to residuals which is why some lease companies assume 100% depreciation on the options and all paid for by you.

High list prices provide a useful (to the vendor) reference point for used car values.

Drivethedeal from my experience do both. So do the others if you phone and ask, their online systems just aren't set up to show them online like DTD.

I've bought price matching the maximum discount shown on c2c or broker4cars and always asked the dealers to match the discount on the options. They've always said yes, VW, Volvo, Alfa, Jag, Audi and now BMW.

It doesn't link to the residual, so not sure what you mean. The residual doesn't really move much (a few more popular options retain a small amount), it's just the price you pay in the first place.

[Goneinsixtyseconds]

Originally Posted by Chompers

Why would they be desperate to get rid of before April , I'd suggest the opposite. March is one of the busiest months of the year, lots of deals to be done and not huge amounts of stock. Things have firmed up a little on deals if anything. it's the buyers that are desperate, finally waking up to the fact VED changes will soon be upon them.

The discounts don't show that as far as I can see.

Plus I was referring to demand after March, hence maybe preregistration at some point for unsold stock. Granted, not at the start of March, probably later in the month, maybe even the 31st when they know they've still got them. Just me speculating, not fact obviously.

Just looking at the buying patterns on here and other forums re the change in April, there will definitely be some drop in demand. I'm sure eventually it'll just become the norm, but it'll take a few months.

The dealers aren't hiding the change. JCT 600 in Sheffield have beat the tax changes stickers all over the cars in their showroom. Great for March sales, but not great for April, as they will have to explain to quite a few buyers what those signs had meant.

I have a friend who works there and he already convinced a buyer to go for a 2.0 instead of a low powered 3.0 due to the tax change.

[Chompers]

Originally Posted by Alex440

The discounts don't show that as far as I can see.

Plus I was referring to demand after March, hence maybe preregistration at some point for unsold stock. Granted, not at the start of March, probably later in the month, maybe even the 31st when they know they've still got them. Just me speculating, not fact obviously.

Just looking at the buying patterns on here and other forums re the change in April, there will definitely be some drop in demand. I'm sure eventually it'll just become the norm, but it'll take a few months.

The dealers aren't hiding the change. JCT 600 in Sheffield have beat the tax changes stickers all over the cars in their showroom. Great for March sales, but not great for April, as they will have to explain to quite a few buyers what those signs had meant.

I have a friend who works there and he already convinced a buyer to go for a 2.0 instead of a low powered 3.0 due to the tax change.

To be honest, anyone factory ordering now to there spec on 6cyl cars will fall into the new VED system. The cars priced around £40k will see a little impact anything north of £45k and it'll be business as usual. Buyers won't stop buying in fact forward orders are good. After 1st April the VED change will just be the norm. It was the same back in March 2006.

[Goneinsixtyseconds]

Originally Posted by Chompers

To be honest, anyone factory ordering now to there spec on 6cyl cars will fall into the new VED system. The cars priced around £40k will see a little impact anything north of £45k and it'll be business as usual. Buyers won't stop buying in fact forward orders are good. After 1st April the VED change will just be the norm. It was the same back in March 2006.

How do you know this? Admittedly my opinion is just from conversations with sales people who told me that it was putting people off.

And the buying habits on here (and on Jag and Audi forums I'm on) are showing that people are desperate to get their cars before April. I would've hung on myself a bit longer. Surely this must affect temporarily?

I accept long term demand will level off, but temporarily surely there has to be some affect?

[ronime]

Originally Posted by Alex440

How do you know this? Admittedly my opinion is just from conversations with sales people who told me that it was putting people off.

You may be having a conversation with a BMW salesman right now ...

[Goneinsixtyseconds]

I can't believe there won't be some affect or at least confusion in the second hand market.

A 4 year old car, with an original list of £41k with 80,000 miles on won't be an easy sell at £10k ish with £450 a year tax. Especially as it might be just a 320d. A lower specced car with a list of £36k would probably be more desirable, same car but over £25 a month in tax cheaper.

You'll end up with the strange situation where the options on a car might not just be cost neutral any more, they might actually cause it to be worth less!

No one really knows the impact, I just think it's a badly thought out policy. It's not the same as the previous change, emissions would be pretty much the same on the same model and engine, so the tax would be too.

[Goneinsixtyseconds]

Originally Posted by ronime

You may be having a conversation with a BMW salesman right now ...

Cool, it was a genuine question, not a dismissal of his facts.

[Goneinsixtyseconds]

Originally Posted by ronime

You may be having a conversation with a BMW salesman right now ...

Oh, and I hope not. Just from my experience most of them don't know much about their own range of cars, never mind the possible impact of a car tax change that until a month ago most of them were oblivious to!

[Goneinsixtyseconds]

Originally Posted by Caroline5

I think Cjompers knows what he is talking about more than most on here.

I'm sure he does, was only joking (perhaps a little clumsily) about the experience a lot have with sales staff. I'm sure he's worked with plenty that don't bother to learn about the cars they're selling.

I often get told "we sell a lot of different models sir, we can't know about them all", even at Land Rover and Alfa where they only have about 4 cars in the range!