[Fraggy]

I apologize if this has been covered before, but I could not find anything by searching.

I probably will not in the market for one of these until the second half of the year when my lease will be near enough to being complete that I can suck up the cost of a slight early termination.

I keep reading that M2 production will be limited. Ive read numbers from as low as 2500 units to as high as 7900.

With as little as we know now, do you think that there will be cars available for purchase by that point in the year? Ive never ordered a car and usually just find the closest, if not perfect match for what Im looking for on dealers lots.

Do we think this will be possible by Sep-November?

TIA

[RoninX]

The M2 isn't a limited production vehicle like the 1M. If demand exceeds supply, BMW will ramp up production to meet demand. The only question is how long that will take.

[Legal Bill]

I have ordered an M235i. I asked my dealer about the M2 and was told they have an allotment of 1 car for the initial roll out. So for this spring, that dealer will have 1 car. This is the biggest dealer in Massachusetts, BMW Gallery with two locations. They have already taken 4 orders with an allotment of one car. They expect/hope those orders will be filled in the summer to early fall. They predicted that a car I order Friday of last week, would arrive in the fall or next year. So check the dealers in your area, but if you have not ordered it yet, there is a good chance that you will be waiting until next year.

[juyeop]

Willing to wait until like 2018 to see how the demand for M2 plays out. I highly doubt that initial hype will continue though.

[Fraggy]

Originally Posted by Legal Bill

I have ordered an M235i. I asked my dealer about the M2 and was told they have an allotment of 1 car for the initial roll out. So for this spring, that dealer will have 1 car. This is the biggest dealer in Massachusetts, BMW Gallery with two locations. They have already taken 4 orders with an allotment of one car. They expect/hope those orders will be filled in the summer to early fall. They predicted that a car I order Friday of last week, would arrive in the fall or next year. So check the dealers in your area, but if you have not ordered it yet, there is a good chance that you will be waiting until next year.

Ugh, won't be able to wait that long, part of me is itching for a new car (crazy), and my lease may be up too soon. Sucks that they are not making more.

[chambolle]

Originally Posted by Fraggy

I apologize if this has been covered before, but I could not find anything by searching.

I probably will not in the market for one of these until the second half of the year when my lease will be near enough to being complete that I can suck up the cost of a slight early termination.

I keep reading that M2 production will be limited. Ive read numbers from as low as 2500 units to as high as 7900.

With as little as we know now, do you think that there will be cars available for purchase by that point in the year? Ive never ordered a car and usually just find the closest, if not perfect match for what Im looking for on dealers lots.

Do we think this will be possible by Sep-November?

TIA

I suggest you cruise around this forum, where you will find this is a subject of considerable speculation. However, most dealers have been taking deposits for a waiting list. I would guess if you are not currently on a list, you may have difficulty getting a car this year, but will have better luck after dealers have worked through waiting lists, say in 2017.

[///Jason]

I only have good knowledge for the UK but it's expected only 2000 will reach the UK over the M2's life - 600 of which have already been sold.

It seems unlikely they will have the ability to ramp up production due to the way they are building the M2, it has to be taken of the line and then goes to a separate M workshop.

See here for more:

Build Time:
http://f87.bimmerpost.com/forums/sho....php?t=1210373

UK Stuff:
http://f87.bimmerpost.com/forums/sho....php?t=1214355

[JustChris]

Originally Posted by juyeop

Willing to wait until like 2018 to see how the demand for M2 plays out. I highly doubt that initial hype will continue though.

I'm similar too

[ORIGIN M.]

Originally Posted by RoninX

The M2 isn't a limited production vehicle like the 1M. If demand exceeds supply, BMW will ramp up production to meet demand. The only question is how long that will take.

They can increase on the fly.

4 years of production.

[Makman]

Originally Posted by RoninX

The M2 isn't a limited production vehicle like the 1M. If demand exceeds supply, BMW will ramp up production to meet demand. The only question is how long that will take.

They really never limited the 1M, that was the plan until demand went up so bmw produced as many 1Ms as they could, just like they will with the M2, execpt now there is a whole lot of other cars to be produced as well in the factory so the production is even more limited. But unlike the 1M the M2 will be in production for four years, so it gets more time...

[PackPride85]

Originally Posted by red-sauerkraut

They can increase on the fly.

4 years of production.

They can, but they won't at the expense of the other cars in that facility. They're going to fill those 1 series orders well before they stick extra M2 slots in there.

[ORIGIN M.]

Originally Posted by PackPride85

They can, but they won't at the expense of the other cars in that facility. They're going to fill those 1 series orders well before they stick extra M2 slots in there.

The way production is being done t does not effect the flow at all. They pull a 2er, send it to the M body shop, and then stick it back in the line of cars. Not a production killer, that is why it is being done this way.

[SuprUsrStan]

Originally Posted by RoninX

The M2 isn't a limited production vehicle like the 1M. If demand exceeds supply, BMW will ramp up production to meet demand. The only question is how long that will take.

I've heard the 7000 unit number but I have a feeling that the number is just an estimate as to how many they will sell. I can't seem to figure out if it's 7000 a year or a total of 7000.

I have a feeling that they will ramp up production past whatever expectation they've given just like how they did with the 1M. The 1M was slated for 2500 but they ended up building over 6000 of those cars. My two cents is with the M2 essentially scooping up all potential M235 buyers we will see much more than 7000 units come off that line in a year. Since the M2 is so similar to the M235 and all of the other pieces are drop in from the M4, it isn't all that hard to supply. It's going to be rolling off the same production line as the 220 and 235. I can see they'll just shift production of the M235 towards the M2.


The real question is what will this car cost in by 2020? Will we see a 2000 to 2500 dollar increase year over year?

Originally Posted by juyeop

Willing to wait until like 2018 to see how the demand for M2 plays out. I highly doubt that initial hype will continue though.

IMO the hype is real and BMW delivered on all fronts. With how good the M235 turned out to be, the M2 can only get better. What bolsters the hype is that killer price.

[vstM3]

By 2020 it's not going to be worth even 50%...like the other current M's

[Big Tuna]

Originally Posted by stanri010

I've heard the 7000 unit number but I have a feeling that the number is just an estimate as to how many they will sell. I can't seem to figure out if it's 7000 a year or a total of 7000.

I have a feeling that they will ramp up production past whatever expectation they've given just like how they did with the 1M. The 1M was slated for 2500 but they ended up building over 6000 of those cars. My two cents is with the M2 essentially scooping up all potential M235 buyers we will see much more than 7000 units come off that line in a year. Since the M2 is so similar to the M235 and all of the other pieces are drop in from the M4, it isn't all that hard to supply. It's going to be rolling off the same production line as the 220 and 235. I can see they'll just shift production of the M235 towards the M2.


The real question is what will this car cost in by 2020? Will we see a 2000 to 2500 dollar increase year over year?




IMO the hype is real and BMW delivered on all fronts. With how good the M235 turned out to be, the M2 can only get better. What bolsters the hype is that killer price.

I think the replacement of m235/m240's by the M2 will depend on the location.

Here in the midwest most dealers stock 5 m235 x models per m235 rwd.

[hyperzulu]

Originally Posted by vstM3

By 2020 it's not going to be worth even 50%...like the other current M's

OK Nostradamus.

[Aloha Joe]

Thought I'd throw in some sales stats for 2015 BMW's in the US, from Good Car Bad Car.
All 2 series are lumped into one stat, 13,020
All 3 & 4 series are lumped into one as well, 112,808
X1, 14,420. Guess this vehicle is more popular in other parts of the world.

Hypothetically speaking, of the 13,020 2 series, keeping in mind that there are 8 different models in the line up. Would it be fair to say, 20% were M235i's? This would equal to 2,604 cars. Now I need to ask the experts on here a question, if 100% of these M235i buyers switch to an M2, could BMW come close to meeting this annual demand?

[BEM-S4]

Originally Posted by Aloha Joe

Thought I'd throw in some sales stats for 2015 BMW's in the US, from Good Car Bad Car.
All 2 series are lumped into one stat, 13,020
All 3 & 4 series are lumped into one as well, 112,808
X1, 14,420. Guess this vehicle is more popular in other parts of the world.

Hypothetically speaking, of the 13,020 2 series, keeping in mind that there are 8 different models in the line up. Would it be fair to say, 20% were M235i's? This would equal to 2,604 cars. Now I need to ask the experts on here a question, if 100% of these M235i buyers switch to an M2, could BMW come close to meeting this annual demand?

Think you need to also account for those who need xdrive or convertible, so haircut that number. Then add back some for those who wouldn't do the 235 but only the M so maybe a wash but not quite make up the gap I would suspect. Cars aren't that different that the buyer universes would be too far apart.

[Aloha Joe]

Originally Posted by BEM-S4

Think you need to also account for those who need xdrive or convertible, so haircut that number. Then add back some for those who wouldn't do the 235 but only the M so maybe a wash but not quite make up the gap I would suspect. Cars aren't that different that the buyer universes would be too far apart.

BEM, Kind of what I was thinking. So it might be kind of a wash, meaning that BMW would definitely be sending less M235i's through the production line. But as you mentioned, there would probably still be a gap, because other buyers, most likely some M3/M4 potential buyers will decide to purchase a M2.

So lets say if the demand is now 3,000 (my earlier hypothetical # was 2,604) M2's for the US (accounting for the additional buyer gap). And let's say that BMW will now manufacture 1,800 less M235i's for the US, due to them knowing buyers will switch over to M2, then you are really only adding 1,200 cars a year to the production line for the US to meet 100% of the demand.

We just have keep in mind, profitable companies always know how to keep supply just a little lower than demand.

[Robin_NL]

About the 'limited' availability(this modelyear) I heard this from my dealer today(who heard it from BMW NL) :

Because an M2 is a more polluting engine relatively(185g CO2/km for DCT) , the factory (BMW AG in this case) needs to produce ' one' hybrid /i model to compensate, for not being sanctioned (more) governally/by law. So there has to be a balance.
M3/4/5/6 are already in that balance and already 1-3,4 years in production and already on the market so their norm(production/sales) have been accounted for already , M2 is new and a also a small 'gasguzzler' relatively spoken(vs the modern i/hybrid/34 pot models)

If that production balance is fine at the end of this year(let's say nov. 16) it's possible AG will be pumping up the M2 production a bit.

At least that's what I ve been told.

That's why ordering NOW (in NL, B, Lux and D, neighbouring countries, and afaik) is eta jan '17.



Cheers
Robin

[BEM-S4]

Originally Posted by Aloha Joe

BEM, Kind of what I was thinking. So it might be kind of a wash, meaning that BMW would definitely be sending less M235i's through the production line. But as you mentioned, there would probably still be a gap, because other buyers, most likely some M3/M4 potential buyers will decide to purchase a M2.

So lets say if the demand is now 3,000 (my earlier hypothetical # was 2,604) M2's for the US (accounting for the additional buyer gap). And let's say that BMW will now manufacture 1,800 less M235i's for the US, due to them knowing buyers will switch over to M2, then you are really only adding 1,200 cars a year to the production line for the US to meet 100% of the demand.

We just have keep in mind, profitable companies always know how to keep supply just a little lower than demand.

Right, and there's the waterfall effect of when folks will actually need their cars. I cannot imagine that everyone who will want an M2 will be ready to pull the trigger this year, even if just waiting for their leases to end. Think it's fair to say that within 2-3 years the market will be saturated to the point that whoever wants one will have been able to get one.

[W///]

Originally Posted by PackPride85

They can, but they won't at the expense of the other cars in that facility. They're going to fill those 1 series orders well before they stick extra M2 slots in there.

I think if the demand for this car is THAT high, I think that could change. Keep in mind they ended up building more 1M's than they initially thought they were going to build as well if I'm not mistaken.