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12-28-2015, 11:01 AM | #23 |
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With the i8 Spyder we will see some updates for the power plant?
It's a great DD, but not so many things in common with a real sport car at this moment |
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12-28-2015, 11:03 AM | #24 |
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I suspect all those haters out there are having the same reaction as they had to the I drive system when it was introduced. This is world beating tech and I for one expect Audi and Mercedes will be followers of this new tech. What a pity so many critics of a technology that will change the driving experience for all of us.
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12-28-2015, 11:44 AM | #26 | |
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Peoples' reliance on iOS/Android continues to grow, and the (non) integration with cars causes obvious frustration. I do realize that iOS/Android essentially "changes" every few months, while the operating system that cars use needs have several years worth of stability underlying. But, it's just downright frustrating when I plug my iPhone into USB on a MY2016 BMW, and Pandora automatically opens and starts playing I'm hoping Car Play integration will mitigate some of these frustrations. Give us Car Play and the Android equivalent over twirly-finger-motion-volume controls, any day. |
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12-28-2015, 12:12 PM | #27 | |
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And with those not only the eyes don't have to leave the road, but additionally both hands can stay on the steering wheel... I was in Frankfurt at the IAA this year and was able to test it out in multiple 7 series, for me it was slower and involved more interaction (waving) then the same action by pressing the button on the steering wheel. As other people mentioned, I would order Android Auto/CarPlay support any day over Gesture Control or AirTouch. |
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12-28-2015, 12:37 PM | #28 |
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Scott you disparage the current tech in the S-class and what is coming shortly in the E-class. Yet you fail to realize it is tech you can currently buy. While BMW is just letting people know what could maybe be in cars in the future. All while Mercedes and others are also working on future tech. Whether you like how the dual screens is implemented, is a moot point. Mercedes is ahead of the game.
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12-28-2015, 12:58 PM | #29 |
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12-28-2015, 01:28 PM | #30 |
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From what I understand, Car Play won't be part of BMW's plans for at least the next few years because BMW is highly resistant to incorporating other makers' tech into its cars -- so much so that it won't capitulate to what Apple requires to make Car Play happen.
That's the crux of the issue, really: compatibility between BMW's proprietary software (i.e., iDrive) and second-party software. Add third-party software (i.e., any non-Apple app on iOS) and the problem expands exponentially because when, say, Spotify doesn't behave properly when it's updated by the app's developer; it's the app's issue, NOT iOS's issue. Bottom line: When you've got three developers making software products, and then constantly making 'improvements' to those existing products, almost completely independent of each other, total out-of-the-box compatibility ceases to become even a probability. If consumer demand becomes such that BMW capitulates to Apple's requirements for Car Play to happen, great. But it will have to be BMW that capitulates, not Apple. Unlike BMW, Apple isn't in the business of meeting current consumer demands; it's in the business of predicting future consumer demands.
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12-28-2015, 01:33 PM | #32 | |
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You should also consider the expected improvements to come in the area of gesture recognition which mean you won't have to bring your hand into a certain space before your gestures can be recognised. Instead you'll be able to use your gestures whereever your hand actually is. With regard to Anddroid Auto/Car play: well they might be good for cheaper models with only one screen. But in the near future you'll have multiple screens which will also support augmented reality. What kind of support do you expect then from your Android or iOS? No support at all. There will be already limitations in connecting HUDs to those external Operating Systems, let alone more sophisticated concepts. Last edited by Peschiera; 12-28-2015 at 01:46 PM.. |
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The iDrive interface responds faster and is simpler to use than command. This is a well known fact and has been consistently posted with tech circles. You can have BMW Gesture Control in the new 7er and again later this year it will be introduced on the next 5er. As well as BMW Touch Screen. Then you will see it in the next BMW X3.
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12-28-2015, 01:43 PM | #35 | |
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First of all, it is not from Audi since other car makers had it before. Actually the French Car makers are the inventors of it. Audi is the only company that dares to name it an innovation because of the lack of any innovations in the recent years. Even BMW was ahead of Audi with its Multi Functional Displays. Audis Virtual Cockpit is nothing but that Multi Functional Display, just with some additional information. Here we are talking about compltely new Interface Concepts and not displaying of a navigation screen behind the steering wheel. The innovative concepts to come are more augmented reality and gesture control, but not displaying relevant information where you can't use it while you are driving or when you need it. And this is exactly the area in which BMW has always been and is still ahead of the competition, usually at least one car generation. |
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12-28-2015, 01:50 PM | #36 | |
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Depending on where your arm is, whether placed back towards your seat? The field only senses minimal sequences of the gesture so it becomes sluggish. If your arm is stretched out it is fully picked up by the sensor as long as your finger is within the field. Once you get used to it it is very simple. My children call it the "Jedi" car. This technology will progress just like iDrive in the future. Its the next big thing just as iDrive was in 2001. New technology becomes less complex and more accessible. In ten years Gesture control will be available on any vehicle.
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12-28-2015, 01:52 PM | #37 | |
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Whats the benefit of buying a BMW then? I imagine that all other car manufacturers will have the tech to drive autonomously according to the speed limits at all times. If I would have wanted to have a car to simply be able to drive from A to B I could have saved a ton of money... I get what you are saying, its apparently the future for all OEMs, but in my opinion BMW should also spend some $ on developing real innovative technology instead of just rushing something like the gesture controls just to have something "new" for their 7 series release which the S class doesn't have. |
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I don't think that BMW is 'rushing' into new techs. They are not following, but defining new concepts which I think is something a real premium car maker should do. At least to me, the new gesture concepts make sense in combination with all other new stuff. I respect that you don't see any use in it. Actually this is the reason why BMW offers all available user interface concepts at the same time, so everyone can use whatever he/she likes, depending on the use case. |
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As the option will be introduced on the S-Klasse MOPF (MB's term for LCi) first as well as the new interface then it will be offered on the new E-Klasse. So like its design the E-Klasse is in the middle between the C-Klasse and the S-Klasse. Not that there is anything wrong with that as it balances out the E-Klasse's personal trait of Elegance and Luxury against the 5ers more Sporting Dynasm. Touch Screen is actually globally the preferred interface. We use it in our phones and we use tablets as well with the interface it is the one that is most familiar. It was only a matter of time before it was introduced to cars as is any kind of technology. Conceptual ideas eventually become a reality. The new 5er will receive Touch Screen and of course BMW Gesture Control. Its all a matter of aesthetics. But I think the BMW design of a larger central upright flat screen emphasises the more space and architectural surface flow of the actual dashboard itself. Where of course the centre console floats and is angled right at the driver. Mercedes does not provide any surfaces its all slab fronted,beautifully finished but there is no ledge or surface unlike the BMW. In regards to the Article. The main point was that this is the next stage of progression for Gesture Control which is already available in the new BMW 7er. BMW Air Touch is the next step of progress. Its a conceptual idea but the next phase of gesture control. And it will become a reality sooner than you may think.
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And putting two big screens side by side makes a new concept to you? Are you joking? What is the difference between this and the two screens available in every BMW right now (multi-functional tachometer and central display)? The unique thing about 7 series is not only the gesture control, but also the support of all kinds of input methods: voice control, touch screen, iDrive, touchpad on the iDrive, gesture control and classic buttons. And all is perfectly and most important seamlessly integrated with each other. This is the area BMW is years ahead of the competition. Again, tell us where is Mercedes ahead of BMW? Note: a big screen is not a user interface concept! |
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