Who is cross shopping the new Z06 against the M4?

[Racer20]

I don't understand these arguments that say "people don't cross shop this or that."

When you're talking about the best performance cars in the world, they're all going to be cross shopped. If you limit yourself to one or the other, you're missing out on the experience of driving a lot of great cars. I'm cross shopping everything from a used E90M to a 2014 Cayman S to the new Z06, because they are all great cars in their own right and I'd love to drive them all. I can afford any of them and I could make them all fit with my lifestyle. At this moment, the F80 seems to be the sweet spot for me, and it's probably what I'll end up with.

[catpat8000]

Originally Posted by Racer20

I don't understand these arguments that say "people don't cross shop this or that."

When you're talking about the best performance cars in the world, they're all going to be cross shopped. If you limit yourself to one or the other, you're missing out on the experience of driving a lot of great cars. I'm cross shopping everything from a used E90M to a 2014 Cayman S to the new Z06, because they are all great cars in their own right and I'd love to drive them all. I can afford any of them and I could make them all fit with my lifestyle. At this moment, the F80 seems to be the sweet spot for me, and it's probably what I'll end up with.

+1

Saying "people don't cross shop this or that" is one of the stupidest things I see on this forum. People want what they want. Why that is so hard for people to understand, I'll never know.

In deciding whether to replace my E90, I cross shopped an M5, an E63 AMG, my old E90 with a built motor, the F80, and the dual combination of a Honda Accord Hybrid with a C7. I concluded the E63 and the M5 were for old men who worried about their image more than driving, though they didn't realize that themselves, my E90 was a miracle which needed a little more power and that building S65 engines was horrifically expensive, the F80 will probably be great but I'll need to wait for the reviews, and the jury is still out on the C7 because I want to know more about the Z06.

Pat

[///ADMAN]

Okay then: Why not an HPE500 or HPE600 or HPE1000 instead??? It will certainly smoke a Z06 for less.

[Never Convicted]

Originally Posted by Falcao

You are so gullible. Your whole point of view is from one article from that rag called autoweek. They said the same for Cadillac CTS\CTS-V.
Don't take my word, just look around you. All i'm saying is GM cars are much more competitive now and the target audience are younger. if it makes everyone feel better i'll agree with you so we can move on

back on topic.

I don't really know anyone that would cross shop the 2 cars. They are very different cars and in different class and i think it is not really fair to compare the z06 which competes with ferrari, lambo and other pure sports cars to M4.

I admit it. I am gullible. The Cadillac strategy changed the whole ballgame.

http://online.wsj.com/news/articles/...82260127618472

[Tornrider]

The M4 and the ZO6 are two completely different cars and cannot be cross shopped. If anything compare the M4 v/s C7-Z51.

Credit where its due, the C7-Z51 alone makes a very strong case against the M4 (If I'm ok with just 2 seats) and am looking for a sports car with much better tech all around. The C7 Z51 is much more of a potent track weapon than the M4 with better and (cheaper) aftermarket support.

[catpat8000]

Originally Posted by Tornrider

The M4 and the ZO6 are two completely different cars and cannot be cross shopped.

Thanks for telling us what isn't physically possible. What would we have done if you hadn't let us know?

[Real Deal]

Z06 is on my radar if I can keep the cost at 80k... M3 this June z06 next June :-)

[w3rkn]

Originally Posted by Tornrider

The M4 and the ZO6 are two completely different cars and cannot be cross shopped.

[nicknaz]

Originally Posted by catpat8000

I concluded the E63 and the M5 were for old men who worried about their image more than driving, though they didn't realize that themselves

Don't knock it until you've tried it?

The new E63 is pretty beastly, especially the wagon. It pulls like a C6 Z06

[04cobra]

The price difference between the z06 and m4 is going to be at a minimum $30k between the base models and I would be VERY surprised if the new z06 cost under $100,000. As it is better than the out going zr1 which cost $110kish new

M6 and C7Z06 is a better comparison
M4 and C7 stingray is a better comparison

These 2 comparisons will be cross shopped, I doubt m4 vs z06 will be.

[BlackLight]

So looking at my daily commute, a Prius Plug-in or a Tesla makes the most sense.
But when sitting in traffic, I might as well be comfortable, so a 2012 or 2013 S63 AMG looks good too.
And I love the driving involvement from the M3, so the new M4 goes on the list.
And being able to choose which vehicle I drive every day, I might as well go C7 Z06 + Prius.
Or S-class +M4?

I need some test-drives...

[mikelowery]

Originally Posted by 04cobra

The price difference between the z06 and m4 is going to be at a minimum $30k between the base models and I would be VERY surprised if the new z06 cost under $100,000. As it is better than the out going zr1 which cost $110kish new

your going to be surprised then. this car WILL be priced under 100k. its a simply a fact. GM has stated if you can afford the c6 Z06, you can afford this C7. the C6 z06 started at 80k. the car CAN reach 100k, but thats fully loaded with all different kinds of packages.

its going to have a base price under 100k, now with packages it can become a 100k car all day.

[jjm1970]

Originally Posted by Racer20

I don't understand these arguments that say "people don't cross shop this or that."

When you're talking about the best performance cars in the world, they're all going to be cross shopped. If you limit yourself to one or the other, you're missing out on the experience of driving a lot of great cars. I'm cross shopping everything from a used E90M to a 2014 Cayman S to the new Z06, because they are all great cars in their own right and I'd love to drive them all. I can afford any of them and I could make them all fit with my lifestyle. At this moment, the F80 seems to be the sweet spot for me, and it's probably what I'll end up with.

You just named the same cars I'm crossing shopping. And for the exact reasons you are, these are what I can afford now and they are the best for the money. I go to Zuffenhausen on Monday for an hour long drive with the wife in a '14 Cayman S at the factory! Oh, except I'm in more in the C7 Z51 range than the Z06.

[catpat8000]

Originally Posted by nicknaz

Don't knock it until you've tried it?

The new E63 is pretty beastly, especially the wagon. It pulls like a C6 Z06

Yes, I have one. 11.6 @ 122mph is fast, though not quite as fast as the C6 Z06 and definitely not as fast as the C7 Z06.

But apart from the staggering acceleration, it's not a nimble, enjoyable car like the M3. It's an autobahn cruiser, which is why I say it (and the M5, which is the same only slower) are cars for old men who don't want to turn.

Pat

[Racer20]

Originally Posted by jjmontesanto

You just named the same cars I'm crossing shopping. And for the exact reasons you are, these are what I can afford now and they are the best for the money. I go to Zuffenhausen on Monday for an hour long drive with the wife in a '14 Cayman S at the factory! Oh, except I'm in more in the C7 Z51 range than the Z06.

The Z06 would be about at the tip top of my price range, Realistically, a C7 Z51 is already too much for the street, so I doubt I'd spend $20k more for the Z06. (My old C6 Z51 wasn't much fun on the local twisty roads because even 20mph over the speed limit is only driving the thing at about 5/10).

[FASTTOYS]

I have owned many M cars & never thought I would own a Corvette. My last 3 M-cars: 2007 MZ4, 2007 E60 M5, 2011 ZCP M3. Last Wed I picked up a loaded C7 Z51. I am on a wait list for the M4 & the new C7 Z06. My goal is to keep the C7 for a year then move into something else. If I like the C7 (still in break-in) then the Z06 will be my next ride unless something else comes out. I think one problem most don't consider when they leave BMW and move to Corvette the dealer service experience is completely different.. Its like comparing a NASCAR event to F1.

[GregW / Oregon]

Originally Posted by FASTTOYS

I think one problem most don't consider when they leave BMW and move to Corvette the dealer service experience is completely different.. Its like comparing a NASCAR event to an F1.

Believe me, I've thought of that. As a longtime BMW & Mercedes owner, I know I am spoiled by the dealer experience. Not always perfect, but generally you are made to feel special. I can only imagine what it's like at the Chevy dealer.

[Verinnal]

Originally Posted by Tornrider

The M4 and the ZO6 are two completely different cars and cannot be cross shopped. If anything compare the M4 v/s C7-Z51.

This is funny, given the fact that a dozen or so people in this thread have already said that they're cross-shopping those two. I suppose they're doing the impossible. Good work folks, breaking the laws of the universe, one car at a time.

[Salespunk]

Originally Posted by 04cobra

The price difference between the z06 and m4 is going to be at a minimum $30k between the base models and I would be VERY surprised if the new z06 cost under $100,000. As it is better than the out going zr1 which cost $110kish new

M6 and C7Z06 is a better comparison
M4 and C7 stingray is a better comparison

These 2 comparisons will be cross shopped, I doubt m4 vs z06 will be.

The powers that be at GM have already stated that the incoming Z06 will be very closely priced to the outgoing Z06 and not the ZR1

[Salespunk]

Originally Posted by catpat8000

Yes, I have one. 11.6 @ 122mph is fast, though not quite as fast as the C6 Z06 and definitely not as fast as the C7 Z06.

But apart from the staggering acceleration, it's not a nimble, enjoyable car like the M3. It's an autobahn cruiser, which is why I say it (and the M5, which is the same only slower) are cars for old men who don't want to turn.

Pat

Not sure the M5 is any slower. We are trapping above 125 in the quarter with the same ET.

The real problem with the M5/E63 is that they are WAY over contented. Personally I don't need a power trunk, soft close door, power sunshade for the sunroof etc. Take out all those motors and electronics and you could probably drop 300+ lbs. My M5 is a nice car, but I won't be buying another. Too much power for the street and too heavy for the track. Would rather have kept my 750 or M3. M5 is too much of a compromise.

[tdizzle]

Originally Posted by Salespunk

Not sure the M5 is any slower. We are trapping above 125 in the quarter with the same ET.

The real problem with the M5/E63 is that they are WAY over contented. Personally I don't need a power trunk, soft close door, power sunshade for the sunroof etc. Take out all those motors and electronics and you could probably drop 300+ lbs. My M5 is a nice car, but I won't be buying another. Too much power for the street and too heavy for the track. Would rather have kept my 750 or M3. M5 is too much of a compromise.

I think that's precicely what it's designed to be. Plush but not as plush as the 7 series, but more so than the 3. More sporty than the 7 but not as much as the 3. It's a big luxury car, it is what it is. BMW probably doesn't see much of a market for a car that big minus the luxury components being it likes to think of the brand as a luxury one.

It's basically the all season tires of the trio and not too shabby of a compromise. A very capable track car, but will never be confused with an autox mobile, but sit inside one and go for a long cruise in most 'track oriented' cars and you'll long for the 5. (my opinions obviously - the M5 sure does move around larger tracks quite well all while padding you in luxury).

[catpat8000]

Originally Posted by catpat8000

But apart from the staggering acceleration, it's not a nimble, enjoyable car like the M3. It's an autobahn cruiser, which is why I say it (and the M5, which is the same only slower) are cars for old men who don't want to turn.

Originally Posted by Salespunk

Not sure the M5 is any slower. We are trapping above 125 in the quarter with the same ET.

My apologies, I have no idea why I made that comment about the M5 being slower. The M5, if anything, traps higher than the E63. It might have been a typo (typing one thing, thinking another).

Originally Posted by Salespunk

The real problem with the M5/E63 is that they are WAY over contented. Personally I don't need a power trunk, soft close door, power sunshade for the sunroof etc. Take out all those motors and electronics and you could probably drop 300+ lbs. My M5 is a nice car, but I won't be buying another. Too much power for the street and too heavy for the track. Would rather have kept my 750 or M3. M5 is too much of a compromise.

Totally agree. The M5 (and the E63) are too much compromise.

Pat