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      06-03-2016, 03:22 PM   #23
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Socialism does have it's benefits. Maybe you guys should vote Bernie in.
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I mean, we'd end up with no jobs and no money so we'd have no need for cars and no way to pay for them, so yeah, that would fix the problem I guess.
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Not an outright ban on elderly driving, just a mechanism to revoke the licenses of the people who can't drive anymore. My proposal would be an annual, full-scale "I just turned 16 and I'm getting my license for the 1st time" drivers test starting at age 65. If you pass, cool, please go on with your day. If not, we'll be happy to arrange a ride home for you.

Everyone knows distracted driving is unsafe, most are just too selfish to care. No educational effort will change that.
My father-in-law was pulled over by a city police officer years ago for driving too slow and other ear-marks of an elderly driver. My father-in-law hadn't really done anything wrong, but was simply displaying slow reflexes and as a result, very overly cautious movement.

Subsequently, he had to take an actual driving test with a DMV examiner. He flunked the test twice and that was that. Revoked driver's license.

As to the distracted drivers who are apparently addicted and glued to their smartphones, I think a huge increase in the fines would help reduce the problem. Until it really hurts their pocketbook, they have little reason to change.

I have now written to all of my representatives. Unfortunately, I don't much confidence that fines or enforcement will change much until the fatalities start adding up.
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I personally dont drive and use my phone. If it rings i just ignore it until they call me many times so I can realize its serious and pull over to see whats going on. But my not driver yet 18yo who I was teaching how to drive the other day pulls his phone right after he makes right turn. The second I saw that i grabbed the phone from his hand. No way I can teach you and you look at your phone, life is more important than text or call !
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      06-04-2016, 12:58 AM   #27
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Yes, distract d driving is a problem. But I don't think we need any additional laws; cops can write tickets for reckless driving, which I understand is considered worse than a DUI by insurance companies (need to verify, but that's what I've heard). Enough with new laws - how about we enforce the ones we have?
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      06-04-2016, 01:10 AM   #28
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I would say at this point driving while texting is more dangerous than DUI. Because you can have good drivers driving buzzed and making it, but most of those texting are already bad drivers....it's like giving the millions of crappy drivers a bunch of drinks.
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I would support the notion of harsher criminal penalties for someone that causes an accident while on their phone, but would require a warrant to get into the driver's phone to prove they were texting/talking at the time.

I don't see a way to prove other forms of distracted driving (playing with the radio, smoking, etc)

I do not, however, support the notion of checkpoints, be they for DUIs or distracted driving. I simply to not support the notion of criminal charges being brought against someone because of what they "might" do. No, I say you have to actually infringe on the rights of another before one is subject to criminal prosecution. Crossing the double yellow and causing you to take evasive action counts!
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Yes, distract d driving is a problem. But I don't think we need any additional laws; cops can write tickets for reckless driving, which I understand is considered worse than a DUI by insurance companies (need to verify, but that's what I've heard). Enough with new laws - how about we enforce the ones we have?
Agree!

p.s. How the carrier ranks violations varies by state. In some, it's a straight forward point system. In others, it's more subjective. But you're correct that carriers consider reckless driving a major violation, certainly akin to a DUI. Either are going to kick you out of the preferred markets for insurance and into crappy and ultra expensive coverage.
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Socialism does have it's benefits. Maybe you guys should vote Bernie in.
For the recipients of other people's money, perhaps in the short term. Otherwise, no, not at all.
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      06-05-2016, 09:39 AM   #32
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Friend of mine has a 2016 Fusion. It has all the latest tech... reading and responding to texts. I've seen him use it, when the tech get's it wrong, he is as distracted as much as using it hand held. Google secretly invented the airbag..
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Yes, distract d driving is a problem. But I don't think we need any additional laws; cops can write tickets for reckless driving, which I understand is considered worse than a DUI by insurance companies (need to verify, but that's what I've heard). Enough with new laws - how about we enforce the ones we have?
We? How about our law enforcement officers enforce the existing laws.

Obviously, the current level of enforcement is not working. I mean, really not working.

I believe that if drivers were faced with huge fines, that alone would be a deterrent.
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In Ontario, if you're caught driving with your smart phone, $490 fine and 2 demerit points against your license... Pretty harsh considering it started out as a $65 fine... Guess what, it still happens...
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Yes, distract d driving is a problem. But I don't think we need any additional laws; cops can write tickets for reckless driving, which I understand is considered worse than a DUI by insurance companies (need to verify, but that's what I've heard). Enough with new laws - how about we enforce the ones we have?
We? How about our law enforcement officers enforce the existing laws.

Obviously, the current level of enforcement is not working. I mean, really not working.

I believe that if drivers were faced with huge fines, that alone would be a deterrent.
There are huge fines and huge (negative) impacts against your insurance for reckless driving already. I'm agreeing with you, other than we don't need more laws.

As for law enforcement - they can't be everywhere, unfortunately.

On a similar note, I've noticed some of the new models of cars have a wifi hotspot built in. GM is one - seems like a really stupid idea to me, and especially for Government Motors?
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In Ontario, if you're caught driving with your smart phone, $490 fine and 2 demerit points against your license... Pretty harsh considering it started out as a $65 fine... Guess what, it still happens...
Then the fines are not high enough. The fines will have to be punitive before they will have much effect. Once distracted drivers really get nailed with big fines (and perhaps some mandatory classroom time), they will likely whine to their co-workers, friends and schoolmates. When the word gets out, perhaps drivers will re-think texting while driving.

If you don't do the crime, you won't have to pay the fine.
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We? How about our law enforcement officers enforce the existing laws.

Obviously, the current level of enforcement is not working. I mean, really not working.

I believe that if drivers were faced with huge fines, that alone would be a deterrent.
How about taking their phones away? Plus the fine, of course. Some of those phones can cost $1000, right? That would be a painful fine in and of itself.

No, I am not one to advocate that government confiscate private property. But private property that is being used to break the law or endanger others, what about that?
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- phones should lock automatically when car is in motion. Unless operated by voice, Android Auto or CarPlay

- Semi autonomous driving assist is a good thing, as long as people don't cheat and tape a bottle to the steering wheel.
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Should do like we did in the military

If your caught on your phone and driving you loose driving privileges for 30 days.
People don't care about suspended licenses. They drive anyway.
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