MJ vs Kobe

mylydiamy · 02-19-2015, 09:32 AM

Hi all,

I was doing some searching and found this (I hope this isn't a re post). I think there is NO argument who is a better player. MJ was superior pretty much in every category. One exception might be that Kobe was a better 3 point shooter.

And the gap between them gets wider in playoffs AND even more in finals where the greatness is measured. This doesn't make Kobe a bad player, but not as good as MJ, not even close.

IMO, the major difference between them is that MJ was a much better defender and a leader. And MJ's numbers would have been better if it wasn't for his 2 year farewell with Washington

Here it is. Enjoy

http://swishnba.com/2013/06/07/kobe-...13-comparison/

MVP:

Kobe: 1 – Second in MVP voting once, third in MVP voting three times

MJ: 5 – Second in MVP voting 3 times, third in MVP voting twice

Championships:

Kobe: 5

MJ: 6

Finals MVP:

Kobe: 2

MJ: *6 – only player to win 3 straight Finals MVPs multiple times (Shaq did it from 00-02)

DPOY (Defensive Player of the Year)

Kobe: 0 – finished 3rd once

MJ: 1 – finished top 5 seven times

ROTY: (Rookie of the Year)

Kobe: 0

MJ: 1 – As a rookie MJ led his team in points, rebounds, assists and steals

Scoring Champion:

Kobe: 2 – led the league in total points scored 4 times

MJ: *10 – led the league in total points scored 11 times

Steals Champion:

Kobe: 0

MJ: 3

Scoring Title and MVP in the same season

Kobe: 0

MJ: *5 – (88, 91, 92, 96, 98)

Scoring Title and Steals title in the same season

Kobe: 0

MJ: *3 – (88, 90, 93)

Scoring Title and DPOY in the same season

Kobe: 0

MJ: *1 – (88) – The year MJ won DPOY he led the league in steals (total and average) and points (total and average)

Scoring Title and Finals MVP in the same season

Kobe: 0

MJ: *6 – only player to do this multiple times. – (91-93, 96-98)

Scoring Title, MVP and Finals MVP in the same season

Kobe: 0

MJ: *4 – (91, 92, 96 & 98)

MVP and Finals MVP in the same season

Kobe: 0

MJ: *4 – (91, 92, 96 & 98)

MVP, All Star MVP and Finals MVP in the same season

Kobe: 0

MJ: *2 – only person to do it multiple times

Season Totals

Games Played:

Kobe: 1239

MJ: 1072

Minutes played:

Kobe: 45,390

MJ: 41,011

Seasons over 2000 points

Kobe: 8

MJ: 11

Seasons over 2500 points

Kobe: 1

MJ: 6

Seasons over 2750 points

Kobe: 0

MJ: 3

Seasons over 3000 points

Kobe: 0

MJ: 1

Seasons over 50 blocks

Kobe: 4

MJ: 8

Seasons over 75 blocks

Kobe: 0

MJ: 4

Seasons over 100 blocks

Kobe: 0

MJ: 2

Seasons over 100 steals

Kobe: 11

MJ: 12

Seasons over 150 steals

Kobe: 2

MJ: 9

Seasons over 200 steals

Kobe: 0

MJ: 6

Seasons over 250 steals

Kobe: 0

MJ: 1

Seasons over 200 steals and 100 blocks

Kobe: 0

MJ: *2 – only person to do it multiple times (Pippen and Hakeem did it once each)

Seasons over 300 assists

Kobe: 13

MJ: 12

Seasons over 400 assists

Kobe: 5

MJ: 7

Seasons over 500 assists

Kobe: 0

MJ: 2

Seasons over 600 assists

Kobe: 0

MJ: 1

Seasons over 400 rebounds

Kobe: 9

MJ: 12

Seasons over 450 rebounds

Kobe: 2

MJ: 7

Seasons over 500 rebounds

Kobe: 2

MJ: 6

Seasons over 550 rebounds

Kobe: 1

MJ: 2

Seasons over 600 rebounds

Kobe: 0

MJ: 1

Seasons over 650 rebounds

Kobe: 0

MJ: 1

Seasons over 40% shooting

Kobe: 17

MJ: 15

Seasons over 45% shooting

Kobe: 12

MJ: 12

Seasons over 46% shooting

Kobe: 7

MJ: 11

Seasons over 47% shooting

Kobe: 0

MJ: 10

Seasons over 48% shooting

Kobe: 0

MJ: 10

Seasons over 49% shooting

Kobe: 0

MJ: 8

Seasons over 50% shooting

Kobe: 0

MJ: 6

Seasons over 51% shooting

Kobe: 0

MJ: 6

Seasons over 52% shooting

Kobe: 0

MJ: 4

Seasons over 53% shooting

Kobe: 0

MJ: 3

Seasons under 25% from 3

Kobe: 0

MJ: 6

Seasons shooting over 25% from 3

Kobe: 17

MJ: 9

Seasons shooting over 30% from 3

Kobe: 15

MJ: 6

Seasons shooting over 31% from 3

Kobe: 13

MJ: 6

Seasons shooting over 32% from 3

Kobe: 12

MJ: 5

Seasons shooting over 33% from 3

Kobe: 8

MJ: 5

Seasons shooting over 34% from 3

Kobe: 7

MJ: 5

Seasons shooting over 35% from 3

Kobe: 4

MJ: 5

Seasons shooting over 36% from 3

Kobe: 3

MJ: 5

Seasons shooting over 37% from 3

Kobe: 2

MJ: 4

Seasons shooting over 38% from 3

Kobe: 1

MJ: 2

Seasons shooting over 40% from 3

Kobe: 0

MJ: 1

Seasons shooting over 50% from 3

Kobe: 0

MJ: 1

Regular Season (per game):

Points per game:

Kobe: 25.5

MJ: *30.1

Rebounds per game:

Kobe: 5.3

MJ: 6.2

Assists per game:

Kobe: 4.8

MJ: 5.3

Steals per game:

Kobe: 1.5

MJ: 2.3

Blocks per game:

Kobe: 0.5

MJ: 0.8

FG%

Kobe: .454

MJ: .497

FT%

Kobe: .838

MJ: .835

3PT%

Kobe: .336

MJ: .327

Turnovers per game:

Kobe: 3.0

MJ: 2.7

Clutch:

Kobe: 46 for 155 (29.7%)

MJ: *33 for 58 (56.9%)

Regular Season (advanced metrics):

PER: (Player Efficiency Rating – A measure of per minute production)

Kobe: 23.4 (19th all time) – Finished third once, fifth four times and sixth twice

MJ: *27.9 (1st all time) – Finished first seven times, second three times and fourth once

WS/48 (Win Shares per 48 minutes) – An estimate of the number of wins contributed by a player per 48 mins – league average is approximately .100)

Kobe: .183 (29th all time) – Finished fourth once, seventh once and 8th in the league four times

MJ: *.250 (1st all time) – Finished first eight times, second once and third twice.

Win Shares (Total all time) – An estimate of the number of wins contributed by a player

Kobe: 173.33 (14th) – Finished fourth in the league three times and fifth once

MJ: 214.02 (4th) – Finished first in the league nine times and second twice

Offensive Win Shares (Total all time) – An estimate of the number of wins contributed by a player due to his offence

Kobe: 123.84 (9th) – Finished second in the league once and third in the league once

MJ: 149.88 (4th) – Finished first eight times and second three times.

Defensive Win Shares (Total all time) – An estimate of the number of wins contributed by a player due to his defence

Kobe: 49.5 (46th) – Finished tenth in the league once.

MJ: 64.1 (21st) 0 Finished second once, third once, fourth once and fifth three times.

Post Season (per game):

Points per game:

Kobe: 25.6

MJ: *33.4

Rebounds per game:

Kobe: 5.1

MJ: 6.4

Assists per game:

Kobe: 4.7

MJ: 5.7

Steals per game:

Kobe: 1.4

MJ: 2.1

Blocks per game:

Kobe: 0.7

MJ: 0.9

FG%

Kobe: .448%

MJ: .487%

FT%

Kobe: .816

MJ: .828

3PT%

Kobe: .331

MJ: .332

Turnovers per game:

Kobe: 2.9

MJ: 3.1

Clutch:

Kobe: 7 for 28 (25%)

MJ: *9 for 18 (50%)

Post Season (advanced metrics):

PER: (Player Efficiency Rating)

Kobe: 22.40 (22nd)

MJ: *28.60

WS/48 (Win Shares per 48 minutes)

Kobe: .1570 (46th)

MJ: *.2553

Win Shares (Total all time)

Kobe: 28.26 (8th)

MJ: *39.76

Offensive Win Shares (Total all time)

Kobe: 20.97 (5th)

MJ: *27.32

Leaders (Reg Season): (How many times has each player led the league in…)

PER:

Kobe: 0

MJ: 7

Offensive Win Shares

Kobe: 0

MJ: 8

Win Shares:

Kobe: 0

MJ: 9

Win Shares Per 48 Minutes

Kobe: 0

MJ: 8

Leaders (Post Season) : (How many times has each player led the league in…)

PER:

Kobe: 0

MJ: 6

Offensive Win Shares

Kobe: 0

MJ: 7

Win Shares:

Kobe: 1

MJ: 9

Win Shares Per 48 Minutes

Kobe: 0

MJ: 8

NBA Finals Averages

Kobe – 37 games: 25.3ppg, 5.7rpg, 5.05apg, 1.76spg, 0.9bpg, 41.2% FG, 31.3%3pt, 84.7% FT

MJ – 35 games: 33.6ppg, 6.02rpg, 5.97apg, 1.77spg, 0.65bpg, 48.1% FG, 36.8%3pt, 80.6% FT

Kobe’s NBA Finals Performances

2000 NBA Finals – 15.6ppg, 4.6 rpg, 4.2apg, 1.0spg, 1.4bpg, 36.7% FG, 20.0% 3pt FG, 90.9% FT% – W (win)

2001 NBA Finals – 24.6ppg, 7.8rpg, 5.8apg, 1.4spg, 1.4bpg, 41.5% FG, 33.3% FT% - W

2002 NBA Finals – 26.8ppg, 5.8rpg, 5.3apg, 1.5spg, 0.8bpg, 51.4% FG, 54.5% 3PT, 80.6% FT – W

2004 NBA Finals – 22.6ppg, 2.8rpg, 4.4apg, 1.8spg, 0.6bpg, 38.1% FG, 17.4% 3PT, 92.0% FT – L

2008 NBA Finals – 25.7ppg, 4.7rpg, 5.0apg, 2.7spg, 0.2bpg, 40.5% FG, 32.1% 3PT, 79.6% FT – L

2009 NBA Finals – 32.4ppg, 5.6rpg, 7.4apg, 1.4spg, 1.4bpg, 43.0% FG, 36.0 3PT%, 84.1% FT – W - Finals MVP

2010 NBA Finals – 28.6ppg, 8.0rpg, 3.9apg, 2.1spg, 0.7bpg, 40.5% FG, 31.9 3PT%, 88.3% FT – W – Finals MVP

Michael Jordan’s NBA Finals Performances

1991 NBA Final: 31.2ppg, 6.6rpg, 11.4apg, 2,8spg, 1.4bpg, 55% FG, 50% 3PT, 84.8% FT – W – Finals MVP

1992 NBA final: 35.8ppg, 4.8rpg, 6.5apg, 1.7spg, 0.3bpg, 52.6% FG, 42.9 3PT%, 89.1% FT – W – Finals MVP

1993 NBA final: 41.0ppg (NBA Finals record), 8.5rpg, 6.3apg, 1.7spg, 0.7bpg, 50.8% FG, 40.0% 3PT, 69.4% FT – W – Finals MVP

1996 NBA Final: 27.3ppg, 5.3rpg, 4.2apg, 1.7spg, 0.2bpg, 41% FG, 31.6% 3PT, 83.6% FT – W – Finals MVP

1997 NBA Final: 32.3ppg, 7.0rpg, 6.0apg, 1.2spg, 0.8bpg, 45.6%FG, 32.0% 3PT, 76.4% FT – W – Finals MVP

1998 NBA Final: 33.5ppg, 4.0rpg, 2.3apg, 1.8spg, 0.7bpg, 42.7% FG, 30.8 3PT%, 81.4% FT – W - Finals MVP

P1 · 02-19-2015, 09:40 AM

Ferfuksake...

NickyC · 02-19-2015, 09:52 AM

Kobe spent his whole life trying to be MJ.

MJ spent his whole life being MJ.

/thread

KingOfJericho · 02-19-2015, 09:56 AM

Put this in the sports lounge. People still watch basketball?

mylydiamy · 02-19-2015, 09:58 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by KingOfJericho

Put this in the sports lounge. People still watch basketball?

I do

ASAP · 02-19-2015, 11:17 AM

Kobe will retire with 3 championships led by another guy...

MJ retired with 6 with a 2 year intermission led by himself.

Mj can't really be compared to anyone in professional sports, much less basketball. Also, remember that he was in the NBA at a time when it exploded on a global level and was at it's height, then factor in the entire Air Jordan legacy, the dunk contest, the defensive wins and the all star wins as well as the Dream Teams (that were at the time legendary).

ASAP · 02-19-2015, 11:20 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by KingOfJericho

Put this in the sports lounge. People still watch basketball?

Not everyone is into football or baseball... 1 of which is led by an idiot in a sport where physics wins and the other makes me fall asleep in minutes.

KingOfJericho · 02-19-2015, 11:41 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ASAP

Not everyone is into football or baseball... 1 of which is led by an idiot in a sport where physics wins and the other makes me fall asleep in minutes.

Barking up the wrong tree. I don't watch any sports except F1, which I'm barely hanging onto.

ASAP · 02-19-2015, 12:09 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by KingOfJericho

Barking up the wrong tree. I don't watch any sports except F1, which I'm barely hanging onto.

Hey, we agree on all accounts... although watching any car racing on tv may be worse than baseball and I am a car enthusiast.

WVUDrJay · 02-19-2015, 12:36 PM

MJ missed two full years in his prime, and still came back as the best in the game. His competitive drive was more than most anyone. He got a ton of calls but he was not the whiny bitch Kobe seems to be.

mylydiamy · 02-19-2015, 02:12 PM

As I said Kobe is a great player. And he could have been even better player if it wasn't for his gigantic ego...

Nevertheless, it is unfair for both MJ and Kobe to be compared to each other bc MJ is from a league where there is no one else...Kobe is just another great player, which is not bad at all...

808@702 · 02-19-2015, 02:36 PM

Kelly Slater has 11 World Championships. Surfers are the best athletes in the world.

///M ARMY · 02-19-2015, 02:41 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by NickyC

Kobe spent his whole life trying to be MJ.

MJ spent his whole life being MJ.

/thread

well said. No one honestly can compare to MJ. Stats might be close but the legacy of MJ is still far beyond kobes.

NickyC · 02-19-2015, 02:44 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by KingOfJericho

Barking up the wrong tree. I don't watch any sports except F1, which I'm barely hanging onto.

F1 is literally the most boring thing to watch on the planet at this point in time. I'm like you, I only watch the "races" now at 4x speed after recording them.

NickyC · 02-19-2015, 02:47 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by WVUDrJay

MJ missed two full years in his prime, and still came back as the best in the game. His competitive drive was more than most anyone. He got a ton of calls but he was not the whiny bitch Kobe seems to be.

I'm not being an argumentative jerk here, but Jordan didn't exactly miss a whole two years. He wasn't quite himself when the Bulls lost to the Magic in the playoffs in that second year (1995), but he was still there. I'll never forget watching MJ bounce that ball of his foot near the end of the game, it was the first time he ever looked human to me.

1MOREMOD · 02-19-2015, 03:33 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 808@702

Kelly Slater has 11 World Championships. Surfers are the best athletes in the world.

What about Ricky Carmichael?

808@702 · 02-19-2015, 04:09 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 1MOREMOD

What about Ricky Carmichael?

Uhhh who?

1MOREMOD · 02-19-2015, 04:32 PM

Motorcross. 15 national championships, 3 perfect seasons. Get out a little I know who a slater is.

808@702 · 02-20-2015, 07:21 PM

OK I will get out... into the ocean

1MOREMOD · 02-20-2015, 07:24 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 808@702

OK I will get out... into the ocean

Surfing is rough. I suck at it the times I've done it have been humbling. Lot better on a dirt bike.

808@702 · 02-20-2015, 08:33 PM

Yeah people don't realize that most of the effort spent surfing is just getting out there and catching the wave. If you spend three hours in the water you probably spend a few minutes actually riding the waves. And that's the art of it, what makes great surfers, knowing where to go, what wave to go for.

1MOREMOD · 02-20-2015, 09:28 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 808@702

Yeah people don't realize that most of the effort spent surfing is just getting out there and catching the wave. If you spend three hours in the water you probably spend a few minutes actually riding the waves. And that's the art of it, what makes great surfers, knowing where to go, what wave to go for.

Yep ass kicker on shoulders.

02-19-2015, 09:32 AM	#1
mylydiamy Lieutenant 76 Rep 534 Posts Drives: 2008 335i e93 convertible Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: New Jersey iTrader: (1)	MJ vs Kobe Hi all, I was doing some searching and found this (I hope this isn't a re post). I think there is NO argument who is a better player. MJ was superior pretty much in every category. One exception might be that Kobe was a better 3 point shooter. And the gap between them gets wider in playoffs AND even more in finals where the greatness is measured. This doesn't make Kobe a bad player, but not as good as MJ, not even close. IMO, the major difference between them is that MJ was a much better defender and a leader. And MJ's numbers would have been better if it wasn't for his 2 year farewell with Washington Here it is. Enjoy http://swishnba.com/2013/06/07/kobe-...13-comparison/ MVP: Kobe: 1 – Second in MVP voting once, third in MVP voting three times MJ: 5 – Second in MVP voting 3 times, third in MVP voting twice Championships: Kobe: 5 MJ: 6 Finals MVP: Kobe: 2 MJ: 6 – only player to win 3 straight Finals MVPs multiple times (Shaq did it from 00-02) DPOY (Defensive Player of the Year) Kobe: 0 – finished 3rd once MJ: 1 – finished top 5 seven times ROTY: (Rookie of the Year) Kobe: 0 MJ: 1 – As a rookie MJ led his team in points, rebounds, assists and steals Scoring Champion: Kobe: 2 – led the league in total points scored 4 times MJ: 10 – led the league in total points scored 11 times Steals Champion: Kobe: 0 MJ: 3 Scoring Title and MVP in the same season Kobe: 0 MJ: 5 – (88, 91, 92, 96, 98) Scoring Title and Steals title in the same season Kobe: 0 MJ: 3 – (88, 90, 93) Scoring Title and DPOY in the same season Kobe: 0 MJ: 1 – (88) – The year MJ won DPOY he led the league in steals (total and average) and points (total and average) Scoring Title and Finals MVP in the same season Kobe: 0 MJ: 6 – only player to do this multiple times. – (91-93, 96-98) Scoring Title, MVP and Finals MVP in the same season Kobe: 0 MJ: 4 – (91, 92, 96 & 98) MVP and Finals MVP in the same season Kobe: 0 MJ: 4 – (91, 92, 96 & 98) MVP, All Star MVP and Finals MVP in the same season Kobe: 0 MJ: 2 – only person to do it multiple times Season Totals Games Played: Kobe: 1239 MJ: 1072 Minutes played: Kobe: 45,390 MJ: 41,011 Seasons over 2000 points Kobe: 8 MJ: 11 Seasons over 2500 points Kobe: 1 MJ: 6 Seasons over 2750 points Kobe: 0 MJ: 3 Seasons over 3000 points Kobe: 0 MJ: 1 Seasons over 50 blocks Kobe: 4 MJ: 8 Seasons over 75 blocks Kobe: 0 MJ: 4 Seasons over 100 blocks Kobe: 0 MJ: 2 Seasons over 100 steals Kobe: 11 MJ: 12 Seasons over 150 steals Kobe: 2 MJ: 9 Seasons over 200 steals Kobe: 0 MJ: 6 Seasons over 250 steals Kobe: 0 MJ: 1 Seasons over 200 steals and 100 blocks Kobe: 0 MJ: 2 – only person to do it multiple times (Pippen and Hakeem did it once each) Seasons over 300 assists Kobe: 13 MJ: 12 Seasons over 400 assists Kobe: 5 MJ: 7 Seasons over 500 assists Kobe: 0 MJ: 2 Seasons over 600 assists Kobe: 0 MJ: 1 Seasons over 400 rebounds Kobe: 9 MJ: 12 Seasons over 450 rebounds Kobe: 2 MJ: 7 Seasons over 500 rebounds Kobe: 2 MJ: 6 Seasons over 550 rebounds Kobe: 1 MJ: 2 Seasons over 600 rebounds Kobe: 0 MJ: 1 Seasons over 650 rebounds Kobe: 0 MJ: 1 Seasons over 40% shooting Kobe: 17 MJ: 15 Seasons over 45% shooting Kobe: 12 MJ: 12 Seasons over 46% shooting Kobe: 7 MJ: 11 Seasons over 47% shooting Kobe: 0 MJ: 10 Seasons over 48% shooting Kobe: 0 MJ: 10 Seasons over 49% shooting Kobe: 0 MJ: 8 Seasons over 50% shooting Kobe: 0 MJ: 6 Seasons over 51% shooting Kobe: 0 MJ: 6 Seasons over 52% shooting Kobe: 0 MJ: 4 Seasons over 53% shooting Kobe: 0 MJ: 3 Seasons under 25% from 3 Kobe: 0 MJ: 6 Seasons shooting over 25% from 3 Kobe: 17 MJ: 9 Seasons shooting over 30% from 3 Kobe: 15 MJ: 6 Seasons shooting over 31% from 3 Kobe: 13 MJ: 6 Seasons shooting over 32% from 3 Kobe: 12 MJ: 5 Seasons shooting over 33% from 3 Kobe: 8 MJ: 5 Seasons shooting over 34% from 3 Kobe: 7 MJ: 5 Seasons shooting over 35% from 3 Kobe: 4 MJ: 5 Seasons shooting over 36% from 3 Kobe: 3 MJ: 5 Seasons shooting over 37% from 3 Kobe: 2 MJ: 4 Seasons shooting over 38% from 3 Kobe: 1 MJ: 2 Seasons shooting over 40% from 3 Kobe: 0 MJ: 1 Seasons shooting over 50% from 3 Kobe: 0 MJ: 1 Regular Season (per game): Points per game: Kobe: 25.5 MJ: 30.1 Rebounds per game: Kobe: 5.3 MJ: 6.2 Assists per game: Kobe: 4.8 MJ: 5.3 Steals per game: Kobe: 1.5 MJ: 2.3 Blocks per game: Kobe: 0.5 MJ: 0.8 FG% Kobe: .454 MJ: .497 FT% Kobe: .838 MJ: .835 3PT% Kobe: .336 MJ: .327 Turnovers per game: Kobe: 3.0 MJ: 2.7 Clutch: Kobe: 46 for 155 (29.7%) MJ: 33 for 58 (56.9%) Regular Season (advanced metrics): PER: (Player Efficiency Rating – A measure of per minute production) Kobe: 23.4 (19th all time) – Finished third once, fifth four times and sixth twice MJ: 27.9 (1st all time) – Finished first seven times, second three times and fourth once WS/48 (Win Shares per 48 minutes) – An estimate of the number of wins contributed by a player per 48 mins – league average is approximately .100) Kobe: .183 (29th all time) – Finished fourth once, seventh once and 8th in the league four times MJ: .250 (1st all time) – Finished first eight times, second once and third twice. Win Shares (Total all time) – An estimate of the number of wins contributed by a player Kobe: 173.33 (14th) – Finished fourth in the league three times and fifth once MJ: 214.02 (4th) – Finished first in the league nine times and second twice Offensive Win Shares (Total all time) – An estimate of the number of wins contributed by a player due to his offence Kobe: 123.84 (9th) – Finished second in the league once and third in the league once MJ: 149.88 (4th) – Finished first eight times and second three times. Defensive Win Shares (Total all time) – An estimate of the number of wins contributed by a player due to his defence Kobe: 49.5 (46th) – Finished tenth in the league once. MJ: 64.1 (21st) 0 Finished second once, third once, fourth once and fifth three times. Post Season (per game): Points per game: Kobe: 25.6 MJ: 33.4 Rebounds per game: Kobe: 5.1 MJ: 6.4 Assists per game: Kobe: 4.7 MJ: 5.7 Steals per game: Kobe: 1.4 MJ: 2.1 Blocks per game: Kobe: 0.7 MJ: 0.9 FG% Kobe: .448% MJ: .487% FT% Kobe: .816 MJ: .828 3PT% Kobe: .331 MJ: .332 Turnovers per game: Kobe: 2.9 MJ: 3.1 Clutch: Kobe: 7 for 28 (25%) MJ: 9 for 18 (50%) Post Season (advanced metrics): PER: (Player Efficiency Rating) Kobe: 22.40 (22nd) MJ: 28.60 WS/48 (Win Shares per 48 minutes) Kobe: .1570 (46th) MJ: .2553 Win Shares (Total all time) Kobe: 28.26 (8th) MJ: 39.76 Offensive Win Shares (Total all time) Kobe: 20.97 (5th) MJ: 27.32 Leaders (Reg Season): (How many times has each player led the league in…) PER: Kobe: 0 MJ: 7 Offensive Win Shares Kobe: 0 MJ: 8 Win Shares: Kobe: 0 MJ: 9 Win Shares Per 48 Minutes Kobe: 0 MJ: 8 Leaders (Post Season) : (How many times has each player led the league in…) PER: Kobe: 0 MJ: 6 Offensive Win Shares Kobe: 0 MJ: 7 Win Shares: Kobe: 1 MJ: 9 Win Shares Per 48 Minutes Kobe: 0 MJ: 8 NBA Finals Averages Kobe – 37 games: 25.3ppg, 5.7rpg, 5.05apg, 1.76spg, 0.9bpg, 41.2% FG, 31.3%3pt, 84.7% FT MJ – 35 games: 33.6ppg, 6.02rpg, 5.97apg, 1.77spg, 0.65bpg, 48.1% FG, 36.8%3pt, 80.6% FT Kobe’s NBA Finals Performances 2000 NBA Finals – 15.6ppg, 4.6 rpg, 4.2apg, 1.0spg, 1.4bpg, 36.7% FG, 20.0% 3pt FG, 90.9% FT% – W (win) 2001 NBA Finals – 24.6ppg, 7.8rpg, 5.8apg, 1.4spg, 1.4bpg, 41.5% FG, 33.3% FT% - W 2002 NBA Finals – 26.8ppg, 5.8rpg, 5.3apg, 1.5spg, 0.8bpg, 51.4% FG, 54.5% 3PT, 80.6% FT – W 2004 NBA Finals – 22.6ppg, 2.8rpg, 4.4apg, 1.8spg, 0.6bpg, 38.1% FG, 17.4% 3PT, 92.0% FT – L 2008 NBA Finals – 25.7ppg, 4.7rpg, 5.0apg, 2.7spg, 0.2bpg, 40.5% FG, 32.1% 3PT, 79.6% FT – L 2009 NBA Finals – 32.4ppg, 5.6rpg, 7.4apg, 1.4spg, 1.4bpg, 43.0% FG, 36.0 3PT%, 84.1% FT – W - Finals MVP 2010 NBA Finals – 28.6ppg, 8.0rpg, 3.9apg, 2.1spg, 0.7bpg, 40.5% FG, 31.9 3PT%, 88.3% FT – W – Finals MVP Michael Jordan’s NBA Finals Performances 1991 NBA Final: 31.2ppg, 6.6rpg, 11.4apg, 2,8spg, 1.4bpg, 55% FG, 50% 3PT, 84.8% FT – W – Finals MVP 1992 NBA final: 35.8ppg, 4.8rpg, 6.5apg, 1.7spg, 0.3bpg, 52.6% FG, 42.9 3PT%, 89.1% FT – W – Finals MVP 1993 NBA final: 41.0ppg (NBA Finals record), 8.5rpg, 6.3apg, 1.7spg, 0.7bpg, 50.8% FG, 40.0% 3PT, 69.4% FT – W – Finals MVP 1996 NBA Final: 27.3ppg, 5.3rpg, 4.2apg, 1.7spg, 0.2bpg, 41% FG, 31.6% 3PT, 83.6% FT – W – Finals MVP 1997 NBA Final: 32.3ppg, 7.0rpg, 6.0apg, 1.2spg, 0.8bpg, 45.6%FG, 32.0% 3PT, 76.4% FT – W – Finals MVP 1998 NBA Final: 33.5ppg, 4.0rpg, 2.3apg, 1.8spg, 0.7bpg, 42.7% FG, 30.8 3PT%, 81.4% FT – W - Finals MVP
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02-19-2015, 09:40 AM	#2
P1 Lieutenant General 11729 Rep 11,191 Posts Drives: 2004 3/4 ton Duramax Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: United States iTrader: (1)	Ferfuksake...
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NickyC Lieutenant General 19247 Rep 11,192 Posts Drives: M4 CS. Former G82, x2 F82, F80 Join Date: Nov 2010 Location: Jacked out of my mind iTrader: (23)	Kobe spent his whole life trying to be MJ. MJ spent his whole life being MJ. /thread
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02-19-2015, 09:56 AM	#4
KingOfJericho Major General 2458 Rep 7,341 Posts Drives: Yes Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: CT iTrader: (1) Garage List 2010 135i Coupe [5.26]	Put this in the sports lounge. People still watch basketball? __________________ The views and opinions expressed in this post are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of Bimmerpost. 2018 Jeep Grand Cherokee High Altitude Hemi \| 2010 S4 Sold \| 2010 BMW 135i Retired \| 2006 Lotus Exige Sold
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02-19-2015, 11:17 AM	#6
ASAP Major General 10865 Rep 9,038 Posts Drives: '23 X3 M40i Join Date: Sep 2012 Location: FL iTrader: (0)	Kobe will retire with 3 championships led by another guy... MJ retired with 6 with a 2 year intermission led by himself. Mj can't really be compared to anyone in professional sports, much less basketball. Also, remember that he was in the NBA at a time when it exploded on a global level and was at it's height, then factor in the entire Air Jordan legacy, the dunk contest, the defensive wins and the all star wins as well as the Dream Teams (that were at the time legendary).
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02-19-2015, 12:36 PM	#10
WVUDrJay Captain 263 Rep 658 Posts Drives: 2015 M4 Join Date: Jul 2014 Location: West Virginia iTrader: (0)	MJ missed two full years in his prime, and still came back as the best in the game. His competitive drive was more than most anyone. He got a ton of calls but he was not the whiny bitch Kobe seems to be. __________________ 2015 Alpine white M4\black leather, carbon fiber trim,manual,exec package, 19 inch black rims, M suspension, HK stereo, LED lighting
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02-19-2015, 02:12 PM	#11
mylydiamy Lieutenant 76 Rep 534 Posts Drives: 2008 335i e93 convertible Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: New Jersey iTrader: (1)	As I said Kobe is a great player. And he could have been even better player if it wasn't for his gigantic ego... Nevertheless, it is unfair for both MJ and Kobe to be compared to each other bc MJ is from a league where there is no one else...Kobe is just another great player, which is not bad at all...
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02-19-2015, 02:36 PM	#12
808@702 8th BMW, 520th Surfboard 513 Rep 1,215 Posts Drives: My girlfriends crazy! Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: Las Vegas, Nv. and Honolulu, Hi. and Seattle Wa. iTrader: (0)	Kelly Slater has 11 World Championships. Surfers are the best athletes in the world.
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02-19-2015, 04:32 PM	#18
1MOREMOD - 11820 Rep 23,186 Posts Drives: Race car-> Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: check your mirrors iTrader: (5)	Motorcross. 15 national championships, 3 perfect seasons. Get out a little I know who a slater is.
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02-20-2015, 07:21 PM	#19
808@702 8th BMW, 520th Surfboard 513 Rep 1,215 Posts Drives: My girlfriends crazy! Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: Las Vegas, Nv. and Honolulu, Hi. and Seattle Wa. iTrader: (0)	OK I will get out... into the ocean
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02-20-2015, 08:33 PM	#21
808@702 8th BMW, 520th Surfboard 513 Rep 1,215 Posts Drives: My girlfriends crazy! Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: Las Vegas, Nv. and Honolulu, Hi. and Seattle Wa. iTrader: (0)	Yeah people don't realize that most of the effort spent surfing is just getting out there and catching the wave. If you spend three hours in the water you probably spend a few minutes actually riding the waves. And that's the art of it, what makes great surfers, knowing where to go, what wave to go for.
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