Toyota GR86

[Fritzer]

Originally Posted by Burrcold

Okay.....

People are allowed to have opinions, you know.

[Fritzer]

Originally Posted by pikkagtr

They built a competitor to an S2000 from 20 yrs ago

The engine in the S2000 is, quite literally, leagues better than whatever subaru PoS they've been using. Unfair comparison to the S2K imo.

[Fritzer]

Originally Posted by RMachuca3d

Honestly, i'd rather buy a used zupra 2.0 by the time this GR86 comes out, more power (specially tuned) with 8\10's of the 86's handling.

Watching videos, you can sense the strugglebus of the engine, even though its been updated.

I'll never forget how excited i was to get into a friends 86, he was so excited to show it off, and the absolutely laughable acceleration is what i remember the most, even though its better, its not enough.

Considering the difference in performance, and the difference on about ~$10,000, I still think I'd go with the 2.0 Supra over this. Too bad about keeping the not-so-great engine while raising the overall MSRP of the 86.

[Burrcold]

Originally Posted by Fritzer

People are allowed to have opinions, you know.

Of course, but it seems a bit short sighted to base your entire argument on the one time you rode in your friend's STi that had a failed engine. Anyhow...

[damnitBobby]

I had a FRS for about 2 years. It was great car but yes the one major gripe I had about the car was that it felt a bit anemic - the motor just needed more pizzazz. I dislike Subaru motors in general so that didn't help my case either. Sometimes I would actually have trouble overtaking cars on two-way roads. Other times I would have trouble keeping up with V6 Camry's. The 6 speed manual wasn't my favorite. It felt a bit vague going into gears. Otherwise the car was fantastic. Super fun but super slow.

Looks like they address some of the power concerns with this new generation. Looks much better too. Good on Toyota to offer an affordable sports car with a manual.

[Fritzer]

Originally Posted by damnitBobby

I had a FRS for about 2 years. It was great car but yes the one major gripe I had about the car was that it felt a bit anemic - the motor just needed more pizzazz. I dislike Subaru motors in general so that didn't help my case either. Sometimes I would actually have trouble overtaking cars on two-way roads. Other times I would have trouble keeping up with V6 Camry's. The 6 speed manual wasn't my favorite. It felt a bit vague going into gears. Otherwise the car was fantastic. Super fun but super slow.

Looks like they address some of the power concerns with this new generation. Looks much better too. Good on Toyota to offer an affordable sports car with a manual.

Seems to be the general consensus. Good chassis, gutless drivetrain. I guess it is nice that they are still making a cheap, manual, RWD sports car, but the engine really makes it uncompelling.

[Fritzer]

Originally Posted by Burrcold

but it seems a bit short sighted to base your entire argument on the one time you rode in your friend's STi that had a failed engine.

anecdote
an·​ec·​dote | \ ˈa-nik-ˌdōt \
plural anecdotes also anecdota\ ˌa-​nik-​ˈdō-​tə \
Definition: a usually short narrative of an interesting, amusing, or biographical incident

Here, I included a link for you as well.
https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/anecdote

[Burrcold]

Originally Posted by Fritzer

anecdote
an·​ec·​dote | \ ˈa-nik-ˌdōt \
plural anecdotes also anecdota\ ˌa-​nik-​ˈdō-​tə \
Definition: a usually short narrative of an interesting, amusing, or biographical incident

Here, I included a link for you as well.
https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/anecdote

At least I've owned one so I can actually speak from experience. I digress though, it's a turd of an engine and not for you.

[OkieSnuffBox]

Originally Posted by Fritzer

The engine in the S2000 is, quite literally, leagues better than whatever subaru PoS they've been using. Unfair comparison to the S2K imo.

And emissions requirements have dramatically increased since 1999 when the S2000 first went on sale. But why bring facts into a debate, right?

You have posted numerous times you don't like the car or the engine, so, don't buy one.

The only problem with the first-gen was needing to keep the engine on boil to move briskly. They dramatically improved that with the new one based on specs/dyno/reviews.

[Humdizzle]

there are two camps of car people sometimes. especially when it comes to high rpm engines... you have the folks that are like "this sucks, i have to rev it out to get anywhere" and then you have the folks that say "awesome! i get to rev this thing out wherever i go".

i really liked my first gen FRS because i could beat the snot out of it wherever i went.

My problem was that the build quality was abysmal. things rattled. stereo sucked. gearing was too tight for a highway cruising which is what my work route is. i'd at least want the quality of a civic inside and i dont think thats asking much for a 30k car.

it sounds like they've fixed these issues for the most part with the new one. i'm looking forward to a test drive.