GTI (MKV) vs. 330i (E90)

[NFS]

Originally Posted by BNR32

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HOW IS THE CLS 55AMG SLOWER THEN THE POLO GTI? AM I MISSING SOMETHING? also boxter S faster than murcielago? ?

Because the CLS was on a slightly damp track and the polo was able to get out of the corners faster.

The boxter s likewise made up for a comparative lack of power because of it's handling.

You have to bear in mind that some of the MORE powerful cars are less manageable, so they need a more measured approach.

This is the West Circuit at the bedford autodrome ... details under circuit information here:

http://www.bedfordautodrome.com/

I have driven the circuit twice as part of the palmer motorsport sensation track day. Each time in a modified (reduced to 400bhp per tonne ) single seater Formula Palmer Audi (FPA):

http://www.palmersport.com/cars_audi.htm

In contrast to the evo times the FPA lapped the circuit in 1:07 secs when driven by Justin Wilson the 1998 FPA champion (I think he now races champ cars in the USA). I managed to get the FPA round in 1:17 secs.

There is some more detail here:

http://www.petspace.lv/c/index.php?p...track&track=10

For info you can also drive the bedford tracks 'virtually' in the Toca Race Driver 3 game for PC.

As it says in the evo article the peak speed - which is at the end of the long straight (bottom left of the circuit on the link I posted) - is a good indicator of the vehicles power. However, many slower cars can maintain a higher average speed and hence post a quicker lap.

The 2 tight corners at either end of the track are probably where the slower cars make up time. The one at the bottom left is particularly deceptive and it requires you to hold a very good line and balance the car with the throttle. The right / left bends before this corner (called pif paf) are also a real test and the race data evo post usually shows a wide variance here. In the FPA you need to brake very hard down from 120 mph to approx 40 mph. The longer you can leave it the better, but the car becomes very unbalanced just before you turn in.

If these tests were on a circuit where higher speeds could be maintained (e.g. any GP circuit) then the more powerful cars would have a clear advantage and would romp home.

[ChineseGuy]

Originally Posted by needforspeed

Because the CLS was on a slightly damp track and the polo was able to get out of the corners faster.

The boxter s likewise made up for a comparative lack of power because of it's handling.

You have to bear in mind that some of the MORE powerful cars are less manageable, so they need a more measured approach.

This is the West Circuit at the bedford autodrome ... details under circuit information here:

http://www.bedfordautodrome.com/

I have driven the circuit twice as part of the palmer motorsport sensation track day. Each time in a modified (reduced to 400bhp per tonne ) single seater Formula Palmer Audi (FPA):

http://www.palmersport.com/cars_audi.htm

In contrast to the evo times the FPA lapped the circuit in 1:07 secs when driven by Justin Wilson the 1998 FPA champion (I think he now races champ cars in the USA). I managed to get the FPA round in 1:17 secs.

There is some more detail here:

http://www.petspace.lv/c/index.php?p...track&track=10

For info you can also drive the bedford tracks 'virtually' in the Toca Race Driver 3 game for PC.

As it says in the evo article the peak speed - which is at the end of the long straight (bottom left of the circuit on the link I posted) - is a good indicator of the vehicles power. However, many slower cars can maintain a higher average speed and hence post a quicker lap.

The 2 tight corners at either end of the track are probably where the slower cars make up time. The one at the bottom left is particularly deceptive and it requires you to hold a very good line and balance the car with the throttle. The right / left bends before this corner (called pif paf) are also a real test and the race data evo post usually shows a wide variance here. In the FPA you need to brake very hard down from 120 mph to approx 40 mph. The longer you can leave it the better, but the car becomes very unbalanced just before you turn in.

If these tests were on a circuit where higher speeds could be maintained (e.g. any GP circuit) then the more powerful cars would have a clear advantage and would romp home.

[canucklion]

that's because people hate to admit that they're wrong

Originally Posted by ChineseGuy

i DID post that, strangely, no one replyed to that yet

[NFS]

Originally Posted by BNR32

0700700 CODE RED MATE!

If you look - I posted the evo laptimes in 0700700's what car should I get next thread.

I can't quite believe he chose the slowest thing on the list

Seriously though - this is just one circuit and there are plenty of other ones where the cls 55amg will shine (even though it's a merc and hence cannot corner properly )

[NFS]

This is fun:

http://www.petspace.lv/c/index.php?p...=459bb03276e82

They have the 330i on there as well but there is only one laptime (hockenheim) and it's for the e46 version.

Try comparing some other cars

[Zeiss]

Thanks for the info mate. I wont look at these hot hatches the same way again

[///M3NACE]

Gtis r a pos!

[ChineseGuy]

Originally Posted by ihsanshaik

Gtis r a pos!

depends what your standards are at

if you drive lambos or ferraris as a everyday car, then i would understand why you think it's a pos

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