Hagerty - "The Secret BMW M8 Is The Only V12 Powered M-Car Ever Made"

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Love these series:

[Chihuahua]

Is it just me or can Jason Cammisa be slightly uncomfortable to watch sometimes? I.e., just a little overly animated but not bad enough to turn off. Cool car and decent video nonetheless. A better watch is the one prototype M8 BMW actually did produce.

[a5m]

Originally Posted by Chihuahua

Is it just me or can Jason Cammisa be slightly uncomfortable to watch sometimes? I.e., just a little overly animated but not bad enough to turn off. Cool car and decent video nonetheless. A better watch is the one prototype M8 BMW actually did produce.

Yea agreed, his fruity antics can be a little cringe. I like hearing the history and facts mainly and listening to the car being driven at the end.

[///MPhatic]

Jason's great, love this series as well, and I don't find him cringy at all.

You want cringy, try Doug Demuro. I mean, I can't even watch him let alone listen to him.

[erickonphoenix]

I'm pretty sure this was the $80,000 BMW Blake was talking to Dave Moss about when he did that favor for Mitch & Murray.

[BlkGS]

Originally Posted by ///MPhatic

Jason's great, love this series as well, and I don't find him cringy at all.

You want cringy, try Doug Demuro. I mean, I can't even watch him let alone listen to him.

I hate Doug demuro. I literally cannot watch his videos.

Jason needs to tone it down, but it's not his fault, it's the writers. Jason is at his best when he's not trying to be silly or whatever and just talks about the damn cars.

[///MPhatic]

Originally Posted by BlkGS

I hate Doug demuro. I literally cannot watch his videos.

Jason needs to tone it down, but it's not his fault, it's the writers. Jason is at his best when he's not trying to be silly or whatever and just talks about the damn cars.

Tone it down, yes, agreed, but they're just going off of success.

I think, non-scripted Jason is even more annoying, so it works for me this way. lol

I do wish he'd drop the accents. My favorite bits are when he's just giving facts and walking in real time when the cars are going in slow-motion.

[erickonphoenix]

Originally Posted by ///MPhatic

Tone it down, yes, agreed, but they're just going off of success.

I think, non-scripted Jason is even more annoying, so it works for me this way. lol

I do wish he'd drop the accents. My favorite bits are when he's just giving facts and walking in real time when the cars are going in slow-motion.

Neither Doug or Jason bother me at all. I mean, they can't all be the SavageGeese.

[BlkGS]

Originally Posted by erickonphoenix

Neither Doug or Jason bother me at all. I mean, they can't all be the SavageGeese.

I appreciate their technical look, and their matter of factness. I am so over this over hyped up people era of videos. Don't act like you're hopped up on Celsius and Cole when talking about the new Toyota Camry.

Doug and the straight pipes are probably the two most annoying channels to me. My favorite is Alex from legit street cars.

[GuidoK]

Originally Posted by Chihuahua

Is it just me or can Jason Cammisa be slightly uncomfortable to watch sometimes?

I think he's always uncomfortable and cringy to watch. He's mansplaining things to other car enthousiasts that probably know just as much and he's not really funny.

I also think he's wrong on this video, claiming that the 850csi is actually an M8. The S70B56 engine in that car isn't really special other than being a V12 (despites it's S code).
It produces 375HP, which equates to around 67HP/liter, and that is not a special number. The bog standard 90's 2,8L I6 from BMW (M52B28) that was sold literally by the millions in so many models has the same specific power output (68HP/L).
The (eurospec) E36 M3 (with S50B32) had 321HP from 3,2L, so 100HP/L. Thàt was a number that spoke to the imagination at that time and could only be matched by true exotics from that era like Ferrari (and thus totally different priceclass), or the McLaren F1 for that matter. Engines like this should power M cars.
The euro E36 M3 was also faster in the 0-100kph sprint than the 850CSi (5,5sec versus 5,9sec).
However it did came with an LSD and semi floating brake rotor's (on the front axle that is), so it's more of 'half an M car'. But such things aren't really pointed out in the video.

For the real M8...check out this video that came out yesterday from dutch carjournalist Sjoerd van Bilsen; he shows the real M8, with shots from under the hood and in the boot and tells some very interesting facts.
Real quality carjournalism if you ask me (he starts off with a McLaren F1 and it's engine):

(obviously this video is in Dutch, but with autotranslate you can get an idea of what he's saying. He always has video's with really interesting carfacts that most people don't know)

[mjj]

Originally Posted by erickonphoenix

I'm pretty sure this was the $80,000 BMW Blake was talking to Dave Moss about when he did that favor for Mitch & Murray.

Great movie. Serious actors.

[KevinC]

Originally Posted by Chihuahua

Is it just me or can Jason Cammisa be slightly uncomfortable to watch sometimes? I.e., just a little overly animated.

I’ve met Jason. That’s exactly who he is, he’s just being himself. Incredibly nice and smart dude.

At least he’s not flailing around like Doug DeMuro!

[///MPhatic]

Originally Posted by BlkGS

My favorite is Alex from legit street cars.

Henry Catchpole is my favorite, but I really like Chris Harris' off-the-cuff word choice when he's not being paid and really wants the drive. His P1 video is just epic, it was genuine surprise when he could flog it like it was an M3 and get away with it.

[ImperialBluF30]

Would the M760i count?

[Evinrude1975]

My 2 cents. If you don’t like Jason, Doug… just don’t watch them.

[playswcars]

I love the E31.

[ledphut]

All car other reviewers bow down to Harry Metcalf.

[///M TOWN]

Originally Posted by ///MPhatic

Jason's great, love this series as well, and I don't find him cringy at all.

You want cringy, try Doug Demuro. I mean, I can't even watch him let alone listen to him.

I agree… 💯

Jason is an extremely passionate individual

It’s absolutely ridiculous how people find fault in people who are not like them

[Game]

Originally Posted by ImperialBluF30

Would the M760i count?

That’s what came to mind as well.

[328dabi]

Originally Posted by GuidoK

I think he's always uncomfortable and cringy to watch. He's mansplaining things to other car enthousiasts that probably know just as much and he's not really funny.

I also think he's wrong on this video, claiming that the 850csi is actually an M8. The S70B56 engine in that car isn't really special other than being a V12 (despites it's S code).
It produces 375HP, which equates to around 67HP/liter, and that is not a special number. The bog standard 90's 2,8L I6 from BMW (M52B28) that was sold literally by the millions in so many models has the same specific power output (68HP/L).
The (eurospec) E36 M3 (with S50B32) had 321HP from 3,2L, so 100HP/L. Thàt was a number that spoke to the imagination at that time and could only be matched by true exotics from that era like Ferrari (and thus totally different priceclass), or the McLaren F1 for that matter. Engines like this should power M cars.
The euro E36 M3 was also faster in the 0-100kph sprint than the 850CSi (5,5sec versus 5,9sec).
However it did came with an LSD and semi floating brake rotor's (on the front axle that is), so it's more of 'half an M car'. But such things aren't really pointed out in the video.

For the real M8...check out this video that came out yesterday from dutch carjournalist Sjoerd van Bilsen; he shows the real M8, with shots from under the hood and in the boot and tells some very interesting facts.
Real quality carjournalism if you ask me (he starts off with a McLaren F1 and it's engine):
https://youtu.be/wLqySX7ql_E?si=gIMZCsyMStI1Rggc
(obviously this video is in Dutch, but [...]

Sorry but I disagree. The 850CSi is very much the real M8. The car In the video you posted is simply an over the top project created by the Motorsport division much like the e46 m3 wagon they created, or e36 m3ti, or McLaren v12 powered x5 they ran the Nurburgring with. 1 off’s.

The 850csi’s engine was massaged by the M division, as was its suspension, M specific body modifications such as the bumpers, side view mirrors, door handles, wheels. Interior upgrades and m stitching. Essentially all the things that went into building an M car during that period. It’s a car created by the m division at the end of the day. Prior to the euro spec 3.2l e36 m3, no m car made 100hp/l, and even that car fell shy of 100hp per/l if we convert to us standard bhp (316hp)

[NikMN]

Dream car. Great video

[cfm56d7b]

Offering an alternative perspective. If BMW wants to make more money before regulatory mandates get even more draconian, why not just build a more modern version of this car - excluding XM design language.