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      09-19-2018, 05:52 PM   #221
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This is a stolen appointment anyway. Beat Trump in 2020 and impeach Kavanaugh.
Can a US Supreme Court justice be impeached and removed from office?

http://www.answers.com/Q/Can_a_US_Su...ed_from_office
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I'm of a certain age. I consider myself pretty darned sensitive towards women's issues. I agree with him. I've got some zingers back there. A lot of us do. Maybe not all, but a lot.
Can you clarify? ….HIM....not knocking you....just missed your point.
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How old are you? Serious question. I witnessed the Anita Hill massac---errr, hearings. She had no chance. Read her thoughtful piece in NYT.

The same guy who earlier said in effect "I was there and nothing happened." A.K.A. the guy who's career such as it may be is now in ruins.

Probably not worth it for the family. I hope and pray it is worth it for the nation. I wasn't there, I don't know what happened but I do know that this is emphatically not the way Americans should react. MAGA should own up or STFU.

I'm of a certain age. I consider myself pretty darned sensitive towards women's issues. I agree with him. I've got some zingers back there. A lot of us do. Maybe not all, but a lot.

This is the best news I've heard so far. "How about we don't turn this woman's life upside down any more than we already have, and find a more civilized, dare I say human, way forward." +1 Grassley

Yeah. Read the Anita Hill piece in NYT. One of the first things she says is about how uneven the playing field is.

I think we need, as a nation, to stop making this about Trump. Kavanaugh is a boozer and a gambler with substantial personal debt that disappeared mysteriously. I don't care what school he went to, I don't care who nominated him, he is not SC material. Let's collectively punt and move on.
I don't recall anyone saying they were there. The guy named Judge said 'no party I was at'. Smythe said the same. Smythe was called out by her attorney, iirc. It's just a cf.
The longer she plays keep-away, the more hollow this appears. Not casting guilt or innocence, but you can't throw a punch and just stroll away.
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...and people wonder why women want to stay quiet about this kind of thing
For 35 years?
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That had an allegation of happening in a workplace that was federal.....this allegation apparently did NOT occur in a federal capacity.

I would assume the local Sheriff's department would begin the investigation as the accuser can not recall where said incident occurred.

Also, I am not familiar with the local laws and statue of limitations on an assault from 35+years ago with respect to where the incident occurred.
For a federal, lifetime appointment it should be done. In private though. If she refuses to testify in a cone of silence after an investigation, the whole thing is over.
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Do you guys remember the Duke Lacrosse players sexual assault case?
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What a complete disaster. I feel for this woman but this ordeal stinks.
Her lawyer is telling the Senate how things should proceed. What?
How old are you? Serious question. I witnessed the Anita Hill massac---errr, hearings. She had no chance. Read her thoughtful piece in NYT.

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Well.
She/lawyer called out another guy who was at the party, something Smythe, and he just said...

“I am issuing this statement today to make it clear to all involved that I have no knowledge of the party in question; nor do I have any knowledge of the allegations of improper conduct she has leveled against Brett Kavanaugh.”
The same guy who earlier said in effect "I was there and nothing happened." A.K.A. the guy who's career such as it may be is now in ruins.

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Being near Palo Alto this has become local news. Apparently Ford's life has been turned upside down as she and her husband have moved out of their house, moved their kids to a separate location, received death threats and apparently have a large media presence staking out their neighborhood. Wonder if this is going to be worth it.
Probably not worth it for the family. I hope and pray it is worth it for the nation. I wasn't there, I don't know what happened but I do know that this is emphatically not the way Americans should react. MAGA should own up or STFU.

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Politicians at their worst.... all men are complicit now???

Dem Sen. Hirono lashes out at 'men in this country' urging them to 'shut up and step up' amid Kavanaugh claims
I'm of a certain age. I consider myself pretty darned sensitive towards women's issues. I agree with him. I've got some zingers back there. A lot of us do. Maybe not all, but a lot.

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I'm guessing this is unprecedented.

'Senate Judiciary Committee Chairman Chuck Grassley (R-Iowa) is willing to send staff to speak with the woman accusing Supreme Court nominee Brett Kavanaugh of sexual assault to hear her story, an aide said Wednesday.'

I'd call that bending over backwards.
Your ball, Mrs. Ford.
This is the best news I've heard so far. "How about we don't turn this woman's life upside down any more than we already have, and find a more civilized, dare I say human, way forward." +1 Grassley

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Has anyone seen the pro-kavanaugh commercials airing on CNN? Yeah, I know a bunch don't watch CNN--I don't care about that.

Must be some big money behind him. Never seen anything like this.
Yeah. Read the Anita Hill piece in NYT. One of the first things she says is about how uneven the playing field is.

I think we need, as a nation, to stop making this about Trump. Kavanaugh is a boozer and a gambler with substantial personal debt that disappeared mysteriously. I don't care what school he went to, I don't care who nominated him, he is not SC material. Let's collectively punt and move on.
You're kidding about Anita Hill, right?

I watched the hearings - she made a complete fool of herself, and had absolutely no evidence.

I figured this woman would do everything short of testifying, and then pull the plug at the last minute - because she has absolutely nothing, and her story is ridiculous. For her to get on TV would be equally ridiculous.

This is Anita Hill v2.0 - but this one is designed to generate Democrat voters for the mid term elections. That's exactly why Feinstein sat on the letter for two months, and gave it up at the last possible minute - to drag this out as close to Nov as possible. We will see if it backfires.
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This is a stolen appointment anyway. Beat Trump in 2020 and impeach Kavanaugh.
I guess you're ok with a new standard where people get impeached for the actions of someone else. That wouldn't turn out well.
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For a federal, lifetime appointment it should be done. In private though. If she refuses to testify in a cone of silence after an investigation, the whole thing is over.
That not how law enforcement is conducted. There is protocol for local vs federal investigations.
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I don't recall anyone saying they were there. The guy named Judge said 'no party I was at'. Smythe said the same. Smythe was called out by her attorney, iirc. It's just a cf.
The longer she plays keep-away, the more hollow this appears. Not casting guilt or innocence, but you can't throw a punch and just stroll away.
I beg to differ. Muhammad Ali did that a lot.
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^ fake news.

He floated away like a butterfly.
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Wha?

Eshoo, D CA, 'Mrs. Ford doesn't have a political bone in her body'

Gillibrand, D NY, 'Stop trying to get her in for some sham hearing'


That's it. I'm done. No mas. Finished. Cookoo. Loco. Insane in the membrane.
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It's an absolute shame what they are doing to this guy. How can someone just make up some fake news like that may not have happened 36 years ago and in Highschool? Seems like the timing of it all is way too convenient. This is a last-ditch effort by the left.
That would be one weird approach by the Left to make up a story like this. Would it have not made more sense to create a false story that happened more recently rather than 30+ years ago and between two teenagers? Seriously?

If there is any fault in the way this came to light, it was the delay in presenting the information. The issue should not be with Ford.
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How old are you? Serious question. I witnessed the Anita Hill massac---errr, hearings. She had no chance. Read her thoughtful piece in NYT.

The same guy who earlier said in effect "I was there and nothing happened." A.K.A. the guy who's career such as it may be is now in ruins.

Probably not worth it for the family. I hope and pray it is worth it for the nation. I wasn't there, I don't know what happened but I do know that this is emphatically not the way Americans should react. MAGA should own up or STFU.

I'm of a certain age. I consider myself pretty darned sensitive towards women's issues. I agree with him. I've got some zingers back there. A lot of us do. Maybe not all, but a lot.

This is the best news I've heard so far. "How about we don't turn this woman's life upside down any more than we already have, and find a more civilized, dare I say human, way forward." +1 Grassley

Yeah. Read the Anita Hill piece in NYT. One of the first things she says is about how uneven the playing field is.

I think we need, as a nation, to stop making this about Trump. Kavanaugh is a boozer and a gambler with substantial personal debt that disappeared mysteriously. I don't care what school he went to, I don't care who nominated him, he is not SC material. Let's collectively punt and move on.
Yeah, well let's cut the crap.

When I was on 7th grade my Finnish teacher wanted us to do an interview with a person who had power over at least 1000 people per day. I interviewed a minister of Justice, and my class mate interviewed a clerk in the closest grocery store.

Basically that means that you all know as I do every damn person near you well enough to be a shield for victims, for you to be hero and you don't need to sit on your ass and wait for one.

Every day is a lesson given to the next generation and every vote is a vote for a direction you want to take.

You all know a thousand people and be a hero for your k.

Oh shit. This was crap but I'm off to the crapland now so you're safe from replies till morning my time.
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That not how law enforcement is conducted. There is protocol for local vs federal investigations.
We aren't talking about law enforcement, we're talking about an investigation into charges that were made and it needs to be followed on down until over for both parties.
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We aren't talking about law enforcement, we're talking about an investigation into charges that were made and it needs to be followed on down until over for both parties.
So due process out the window and one is presumed innocent until proven guilty in a court of law......no longer applies???
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Politicians at their worst.... all men are complicit now???

Dem Sen. Hirono lashes out at 'men in this country' urging them to 'shut up and step up' amid Kavanaugh claims

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2018...gh-claims.html
anybody else flip the bird at ole Mazie when she said that?
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So a fat, dried up old skank vaguely remembered one of her drunken nights in high school and decided to use it to #resist Trump. Am I missing anything?
I am curious to know if anything on your recruiting poster is factual. Try to understand that something probably did occur way back when as some evidence seems to exist, and denigrating this women based on your right wing fake news specialists by calling her a "fat,dried up skank" makes you appear lower than whaleshit.

Perhaps if you have a daughter some day, or do now, you might realize you would not want the same thing to happen to her.

Just let it play out and see what happens.
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Fact is, everyone ..... man or woman .... who's ever had consensual sex started with non consensual groping. Everyone, unless you're some kind of weirdo that asked permission in the heat of the moment Some didn't get beyond the groping by mutual consent and there was no sex. Some did. She wasn't handcuffed and dragged to the bedroom or she would have said so planned rape isn't the issue. She admitted drinking so even if it did occur how clear was her remembrance? Not too clear according to her analyst. We are so far off the track with virtue signaling sex we won't have to worry about birth control in the future because our children won't know where to begin. A possible incident 35 years ago between two maybe inebriated adolescents is nothing but political theater.
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So due process out the window and one is presumed innocent until proven guilty in a court of law......no longer applies???
No one is presuming anyone guilty or innocent. if the woman was proven correct after an investigation and testimony, (and I saw a former classmate collaborate her story on television today,) it is highly unlikely Kavanaugh doesn't get appointed.
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Fact is, everyone ..... man or woman .... who's ever had consensual sex started with non consensual groping. Everyone, unless you're some kind of weirdo that asked permission in the heat of the moment Some didn't get beyond the groping by mutual consent and there was no sex. Some did. She wasn't handcuffed and dragged to the bedroom or she would have said so planned rape isn't the issue. She admitted drinking so even if it did occur how clear was her remembrance? Not too clear according to her analyst. We are so far off the track with virtue signaling sex we won't have to worry about birth control in the future because our children won't know where to begin. A possible incident 35 years ago between two maybe inebriated adolescents is nothing but political theater.
There you go with that silly common sense stuff. Can’t imagine going to high school nowadays, “can I get a notarized letter of consent before we kiss?”
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Do you guys remember the Duke Lacrosse players sexual assault case?
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