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      04-17-2018, 01:28 AM   #287
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I can accuse Putin of breathing, but I have no proof.
I can accuse Assad of getting hungry every day, but I have no proof.
You can make your "no proof" claim ad nauseam. Apparently you need to sit in a room with these guys (Putin & Assad) in order for you to believe any point I make.
Yes but when both sides have the same weapon and are at war with eachother. We need proof that one particular side used the weapon before we attack. This is too important of a matter to just accuse one side without any proof.
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I can accuse Putin of breathing, but I have no proof.
I can accuse Assad of getting hungry every day, but I have no proof.
You can make your "no proof" claim ad nauseam. Apparently you need to sit in a room with these guys (Putin & Assad) in order for you to believe any point I make.
Yes but when both sides have the same weapon and are at war with eachother. We need proof that one particular side used the weapon before we attack. This is too important of a matter to just accuse one side without any proof.
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Russian spy: Skripal poison 'was in liquid form' http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-43798068
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Russian spy: Skripal poison 'was in liquid form' http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-43798068
Ask yourself these questions..

Why would they attempt to kill him with poison on UK soil when he was captive in Russia?

Why not eliminate him in Russia?

Why did he not die from the poison?
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Ask yourself these questions..

Why would they attempt to kill him with poison on UK soil when he was captive in Russia?

Why not eliminate him in Russia?

Why did he not die from the poison?
For the first two, part of me would love to say it had to something with saving face, but we all know Russia doesn't GAF about that.

For the third question, nothing is ever a 100%. That's like asking why didn't the guy who gets shot in the head, die.
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Why would they attempt to kill him with poison on UK soil when he was captive in Russia?
This is unsportsmanlike, the world must be appalled by Putin's insidiousness!
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Why not eliminate him in Russia?
This is a multi-way combination (multipass as we say in Russia) conceived by Putin already 8 years ago.
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Why did he not die from the poison?
Russians are so stupid, that even a good poison can not be done.
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For the first two, part of me would love to say it had to something with saving face, but we all know Russia doesn't GAF about that.

For the third question, nothing is ever a 100%. That's like asking why didn't the guy who gets shot in the head, die.
Well, you say that because there is no other explanation. There is no reason they would want him dead AFTER they release him. Just doesn't make sense, no leader would make such a rookie mistake, especially someone like Putin.

To me, it seems like it was staged in order to stir tensions with Russia..

This leads to another question, how do the wealthy leaders benefit from this? Market fluctuations maybe?
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Well, you say that because there is no other explanation. There is no reason they would want him dead AFTER they release him. Just doesn't make sense, no leader would make such a rookie mistake, especially someone like Putin.

To me, it seems like it was staged in order to stir tensions with Russia..

This leads to another question, how do the wealthy leaders benefit from this? Market fluctuations maybe?
How can you assert that there would be no other reason? Have you spoke with Putin and hoped he told you the truth? I said what I said because none of us can say with 100% confidence that "Putin did/didn't do X". None of us have that insight. For all we know, that was Putin's end game all along. Keep him alive, trade him for a real Russian man (As in, not a traitor to Russia) and then kill him after he served his purpose.
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Well, you say that because there is no other explanation. There is no reason they would want him dead AFTER they release him. Just doesn't make sense, no leader would make such a rookie mistake, especially someone like Putin.

To me, it seems like it was staged in order to stir tensions with Russia..

This leads to another question, how do the wealthy leaders benefit from this? Market fluctuations maybe?
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"when confronted with sharp questions they resort to obfuscation"
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Isn't it annoying that this has become a common method of defending a point? Rather than answer the question and propose logical reasoning, you deflect to another subject or question.
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Isn't it annoying that this has become a common method of defending a point? Rather than answer the question and propose logical reasoning, you deflect to another subject or question.
You didn’t ask a question!

Again nothing is 100p but my point is that these are clever men/women. They don’t do anything without calculating the outcome. And Putin wouldn’t risk worsening tensions with the west just to attempt to kill a traitor that he could have easily eliminated years ago.
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Isn't it annoying that this has become a common method of defending a point? Rather than answer the question and propose logical reasoning, you deflect to another subject or question.
I wrote this yesterday, but this is the world we live in in a nut shell.

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Oh god why did I have kids?! And even after that mistake why did I teach them to talk?! And even after that was proven to be a mistake, why did I teach them to use a phone?!

Robin, my youngest had answered my phone when I was walking the dogs. My mother-in-law called to ask if we needed a printer (since the first 3640 times my answer has been a no, she needed to check again) and she had asked robin how he is.

My beloved son had told her that he was suffering from a muscle weakness and awful pain, he also couldn't really move his neck, and his tummy was on fire.

I was out all of 7 minutes since I was just letting the dogs out so I could fix dinner before going for a run. I come home to a full blown emergency team landing on my door step.

My mother inlaw came over, she had already called the hospital that she would be on her way with an extremely sick boy..

Anyway, he didn't tell me about the call so I was cooking with no pants on when my mil rushes to our home ready to save the child that had been left alone clearly for hours since meningitis can be sudden.

So she was starting a full medical to the kid, ordering me to get dressed (the big brother let them in while I was chopping ingredients) running towards the boy.

Jesus Christ she scared me to death since I had no clue why the fuck she was at my home, and why the fuck was she whaling around preparing a funeral basically.

"I called you, robin said he can't move and his body is in excruciating pain and he can't move his neck! I came immediately when he told me you weren't home."

"hold on a sec. You called and you thought robin had been alone long enough to be dying of a disease we don't have in Finland basically ever?"

"so once again: You are here to take my son to the hospital because I left a child alone long enough for him to be dying?"

"and once again, you're here because robin is dying due to a condition we have vaccinations for."

"okay, one more time. A disease we don't have in Finland, you rushed over to save the boy?"

"well he said he was in serious pain and cant use his legs!" Said the nurse mil...

"yes, since meningitis is absolutely more probable than this being the first day he got his bike out and we did a 15km trip?"

"get out."

I think she won't be offering me the fucking printer again.

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Can I answer for Real Dodger?


This is unsportsmanlike, the world must be appalled by Putin's insidiousness!

This is a multi-way combination (multipass as we say in Russia) conceived by Putin already 8 years ago.

Russians are so stupid, that even a good poison can not be done.
Every question that he can't answer

"oh Putin is a dictator and he is so bad oh he is the devil, oh he would do stupid things because he is so bad!"

What a primitive way of thinking about one of the most powerful men. They think he's an idiot who understands less than they do.
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You didn’t ask a question!

Again nothing is 100p but my point is that these are clever men/women. They don’t do anything without calculating the outcome. And Putin wouldn’t risk worsening tensions with the west just to attempt to kill a traitor that he could have easily eliminated years ago.
Question, statement, you name it. Statements prompt questions, of which you proved earlier. And yes, of course they're clever. So again, you severely doubt that Putin didn't just say "Let's use this guy as a pawn. We trade him for a Russian hero and THEN kill him." You say that's completely out of the picture

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I wrote this yesterday, but this is the world we live in in a nut shell.
The ability to induce critical thinking was severely diminished in particular generations... Hoping for the future lol.
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Every question that he can't answer

"oh Putin is a dictator and he is so bad oh he is the devil, oh he would do stupid things because he is so bad!"

What a primitive way of thinking about one of the most powerful men. They think he's an idiot who understands less than they do.
Putin is a little bitch who governs with bribes and with fear. He is smart and all western governments should take notes on his resource management skills but that's the skill set a good lower managers have too.
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The ability to induce critical thinking was severely diminished in particular generations... Hoping for the future lol.
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Putin is a little bitch who governs with bribes and with fear. He is smart and all western governments should take notes on his resource management skills but that's the skill set a good lower managers have too.
How does that make him a little bitch? HRC is a little bitch for example for lying to the American people. Putin has been good to his own people at least.

Also, our politicians take SO much money as "donations".. that is practically a legal bribe. We are not that much better.

That is one of the reasons I support Trump, he is not a politician, he doesn't need the money, he does not have an owner.
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Every question that he can't answer

"oh Putin is a dictator and he is so bad oh he is the devil, oh he would do stupid things because he is so bad!"

What a primitive way of thinking about one of the most powerful men. They think he's an idiot who understands less than they do.
Fox
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And the governments of the United States, England, France, Canada, etc., etc., etc., and so on.

All those sources agree on the Russian attack against the UK and Skirpol.
Please name your sources for your point of view.

They also (with the exception of Tucker Carlson) agree that the Syrians attacked douma with sarin and chlorine. With which sources do you refute that?

I have posted over 40 sources on this thread. Refute one (with facts, not conjecture).
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Question, statement, you name it. Statements prompt questions, of which you proved earlier. And yes, of course they're clever. So again, you severely doubt that Putin didn't just say "Let's use this guy as a pawn. We trade him for a Russian hero and THEN kill him." You say that's completely out of the picture
Absolutely, I don't know anyone with half a brain who would do that.. let alone one of the smartest men in the world. Just does not benefit Russia AT ALL. Don't be so naive, he is not an idiot. He is highly educated and clever, which is what makes him scary for the west.
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How does that make him a little bitch? HRC is a little bitch for example for lying to the American people. Putin has been good to his own people at least.

Also, our politicians take SO much money as "donations".. that is practically a legal bribe. We are not that much better.

That is one of the reasons I support Trump, he is not a politician, he doesn't need the money, he does not have an owner.
If you can't govern without fear, that makes you a bitch. If you need to find the worst parts of the voters to find a coalition, that makes you a bitch. If you can't share the wealth but distribute it only to your selected few, that makes you a bitch and he has made the USA his bitch, so I guess that makes him spreading disease.
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Absolutely, I don't know anyone with half a brain who would do that.. 1. let alone one of the smartest men in the world. Just does not benefit Russia AT ALL. Don't be so naive, he is not an idiot. 2. He is highly educated and clever, which is what makes him scary for the west.
1. How do you know that?

2. Putin studied Law at the Leningrad State University (now Saint Petersburg State University) in 1970 and graduated in 1975. WOW! He is VERY highly educated.
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If you can't govern without fear, that makes you a bitch. If you need to find the worst parts of the voters to find a coalition, that makes you a bitch. If you can't share the wealth but distribute it only to your selected few, that makes you a bitch and he has made the USA his bitch, so I guess that makes him spreading disease.
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List of journalists killed in Russia - Wikipedia
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The dangers to journalists in Russia have been well known since the early 1990s but concern over the number of unsolved killings soared after Anna Politkovskaya's murder in Moscow on 7 October 2006. While international monitors mentioned a dozen deaths, some sources within Russia talked of over two hundred ...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anna_Politkovskaya

Russian editor shot and killed in Siberia, investigators say | Fox News
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May 25, 2017 - Russian editor Dmitry Popkov, 42, was found shot dead in Siberia on Wednesday, May

Russian Journalist Who Reported on Secretive Paramilitary Dies - The ...
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Here are 10 critics of Vladimir Putin who died violently or in suspicious ...
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