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      02-20-2019, 12:36 PM   #133
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fav comment so far on this issue, in general and particularly by way of explanation comes from Wilfred Reilly, PhD on TCT last night:

"....a broader motivation for these hoaxes is that the demand for bigots in America greatly exceeds the supply."
But you have to wonder the motive in this case. Why him? Why now? Had no clue who he was before this, but it seems like his career was going well. Why risk it all for this?
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But you have to wonder the motive in this case. Why him? Why now? Had no clue who he was before this, but it seems like his career was going well. Why risk it all for this?
there were also numerous reports that his career was not going well and he was getting axed from the show.

he went from c lister to everyone knowing his name with this.
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there were also numerous reports that his career was not going well and he was getting axed from the show.

he went from c lister to everyone knowing his name with this.
I didn't know that, that would be a good motive, you are not going to fire a guy after he was a victim of a hate crime.
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I didn't know that, that would be a good motive, you are not going to fire a guy after he was a victim of a hate crime.
Let's no forget that he was a virulent Trump hater, information known through his prior social media history. He wasn't holding back on disgusting assaults on the President and conservatives. That's definitely a piece of the crackpots puzzle.
Hopefully he gets what he deserves for his pathetic attempt at trying to make Republicans look bad. His anti conservative bullet ricocheted right back into his face.
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Just to play devils advocate, he hired two black men, that he knew, and paid them only $4000 to do this? They can be in trouble as well, seems odd they would only do it for $4000, they don't seem too poor.

He knew exactly where the cameras were for the beating not to be shown, but yet the two men walked away not worrying about the cameras? The two men also left all the evidence open and to be found in their home.

Maybe I just can't imagine anyone being this bad at planning, but I could see someone higher up on the food chain framing him as well.
Saudi intelligence services??
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Saudi intelligence services??
Well...if you read through that thread, I was advocating the Saudis were framed as well
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Let's no forget that he was a virulent Trump hater, information known through his prior social media history. He wasn't holding back on disgusting assaults on the President and conservatives. That's definitely a piece of the crackpots puzzle.
Hopefully he gets what he deserves for his pathetic attempt at trying to make Republicans look bad. His anti conservative bullet ricocheted right back into his face.
Yes, but this could be even more reason to "use" him in this scenario. They picked a guy they knew has a big anti Trump history. And in this case I have no clue who "they" would be.

I just like to question everything. When the story first came out I thought it sounded real sketchy and as things unfolded I kept thinking this is a hoax put on by Jussie. But when it got really sketchy over the past few days my mind starting questioning if this is a setup.
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You don't know who they is and its your possible conspiracy theory and I certainly don't know either. Are the two 'accomplices' who are spilling the beans part of this set up you're thinking about?
Did you hear bleached Jussie was arrested a couple years ago for a DWI and told authorities he was his brother? He's a dishonest sleezeball who lied to police and tried to frame his own brother for his crime. There's an M.O. here.
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fav comment so far on this issue, in general and particularly by way of explanation comes from Wilfred Reilly, PhD on TCT last night:

"....a broader motivation for these hoaxes is that the demand for bigots in America greatly exceeds the supply."
But you have to wonder the motive in this case. Why him? Why now? Had no clue who he was before this, but it seems like his career was going well. Why risk it all for this?
to be a hero
to stand up to The Man

obviously my opinion of someone I've not met, but I think a lot of this goes on. the LGBT/Muslim/gender/minorities hoaxes you have to admit have been piling up in the last twenty years or so.

and now for the REALLY unpopular part: I think the need to receive the adulation of large audiences, to be seen as heroic, probably explains to a large degree Blasey Ford, et al. while Ford can only be classified as 'probably' a hoax, most of the others involved in that mess were obviously hoaxes.
in case you're not convinced regarding Ford: consider that she is now a much sought after speaker in California, she has been feted at galas organized in her honor, she is a GoFundMe millionaire, she is in fact a celebrity of the Left.
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there were also numerous reports that his career was not going well and he was getting axed from the show.

he went from c lister to everyone knowing his name with this.
In this case, however, it's pretty obvious there is such a thing as bad publicity.

This sure as shit isn't going to help his career.
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In this case, however, it's pretty obvious there is such a thing as bad publicity.

This sure as shit isn't going to help his career.
I dunno about that. Given the streak of liberalism rampant in Hollywood, it certainly could help his career.
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No way. If he was a legit victim, I'd buy it being a boost. Being exposed as a hoax, and inflicting actual damage to "the cause" is never going to help him. Not going to happen.
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No way. If he was a legit victim, I'd buy it being a boost. Being exposed as a hoax, and inflicting actual damage to "the cause" is never going to help him. Not going to happen.
BuT hE sTaRtEd A CoNvErSaTiOn!!!

Seriously, there are plenty of folk who will see this as fighting against the man, or down with Trump, or whatever, and will still consider him a hero.
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In this case, however, it's pretty obvious there is such a thing as bad publicity.

This sure as shit isn't going to help his career.
yeah not now, that is for sure.

if its proven a hoax, he will have pissed off both the left and right by being a fake victim and blaming maga.

ironically, only trump pisses off the right and left like this.
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You don't know who they is and its your possible conspiracy theory and I certainly don't know either. Are the two 'accomplices' who are spilling the beans part of this set up you're thinking about?
Did you hear bleached Jussie was arrested a couple years ago for a DWI and told authorities he was his brother? He's a dishonest sleezeball who lied to police and tried to frame his own brother for his crime. There's an M.O. here.
Yes, in my crazy conspiracy theory, the two brothers were paid much more by someone else to "fake" beat him up and he actually might be telling the truth.

Now do I actually beleive this? No, but with the story being so super sketchy on all sides, it's plausible.
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BuT hE sTaRtEd A CoNvErSaTiOn!!!

Seriously, there are plenty of folk who will see this as fighting against the man, or down with Trump, or whatever, and will still consider him a hero.
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yeah not now, that is for sure.

if its proven a hoax, he will have pissed off both the left and right by being a fake victim and blaming maga.

ironically, only trump pisses off the right and left like this.
They turned pretty hard on Kevin Spacey when he decided to come out upon being called out during the #metoo hysteria.
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yeah not now, that is for sure.

if its proven a hoax, he will have pissed off both the left and right by being a fake victim and blaming maga.

ironically, only trump pisses off the right and left like this.
Yeah not so sure the media is taking an awkward stance saying this one wasnt true but it's true somewhere else so trump supporters are still bunch of racists. Left dont care about racism unless specific kind.
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BuT hE sTaRtEd A CoNvErSaTiOn!!!

Seriously, there are plenty of folk who will see this as fighting against the man, or down with Trump, or whatever, and will still consider him a hero.
Meh, those people are intractable and will hold their position whether racially motivated assaults happen or not. As such, they are a zero sum.
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Well, here are a couple of updates:

1) CBS has obtained the video of two men linked to the attack on “Empire” actor Jussie Smollett buying a red hat and ski masks from a store the day before the assault. The video shows Ola and Abel Osundairo placing the masks and a hat on the counter. Smollett has claimed two men wearing a similar hat and masks attacked him on Jan. 29 in Streeterville, according to police.

https://chicago.cbslocal.com/2019/02...-hat-ski-mask/

2) Jussie Smollett has now been “officially classified as a suspect in a criminal investigation” by authorities on for allegedly “filing a false police report” in connection with his attack claims, Chicago police said.

https://www.foxnews.com/entertainmen...ago-police-say
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Well, here are a couple of updates:

1) CBS has obtained the video of two men linked to the attack on “Empire” actor Jussie Smollett buying a red hat and ski masks from a store the day before the assault. The video shows Ola and Abel Osundairo placing the masks and a hat on the counter. Smollett has claimed two men wearing a similar hat and masks attacked him on Jan. 29 in Streeterville, according to police.

https://chicago.cbslocal.com/2019/02...-hat-ski-mask/

2) Jussie Smollett has now been “officially classified as a suspect in a criminal investigation” by authorities on for allegedly “filing a false police report” in connection with his attack claims, Chicago police said.

https://www.foxnews.com/entertainmen...ago-police-say
Not looking good for ol' Jussie. I honestly hope they make an example out of him - although I have no idea what the max penalty in Chicago would be for this offense.
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Not looking good for ol' Jussie. I honestly hope they make an example out of him - although I have no idea what the max penalty in Chicago would be for this offense.
We can only home the FEDs go after him for the envelope he sent. The do not F around. As someone said above.

He needs to be made an example of. What he tried to do is horrific, imagine being so angry at the president you make up a crime for popularity and to make Trump supporters look 'bad'. He is what is wrong with society.

I hope the Nigerian brothers are ok, they should have known better, but he paid them chump change, probably with the promise he would help them get into Hollywood etc. Throw the book at that POS. Cut the brothers a plea deal and put them on probation.
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