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      06-10-2020, 05:29 PM   #1
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Thumbs up NASCAR Bans Confederate Flag

GOOD!!!!

Rednecks are having aneurysms everywhere.

Seriously tho... Looooooooong overdue.

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Surprised Mississippi still has their flag.

I remember when the flag changed while living in Georgia. That was ages ago it seems.
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On the fence on this one as I'm not a fan of censorship and wouldn't even like it be used towards Che Guevara shirts even tho my family has a personal beef with that sob. Then again Nascar is a real private company unlike google or twitter so they do have free reign as to what goes on in their premises imho.
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I'm not a fan of either, but I'm willing to bet the average person in the current climate is much more tolerant of the Che Guevara shirts. Hes celebrated here in the northwest. Sickening
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Does anyone still watch NASCAR? I quit after Stewart retired.

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Good, private companies can do as they please. I still cringe when I go to a car event and see a booth with confederate flags.
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I'm not a fan of either, but I'm willing to bet the average person in the current climate is much more tolerant of the Che Guevara shirts. Hes celebrated here in the northwest. Sickening
We sometimes see confed flags in upstate NY. Sickening....

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I always remind my northern brethren that the confed flag is a reminder that the south shall rise again......someday....eventually....well maybe.


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I always remind my northern brethren that the confed flag is a reminder that the south shall rise again......someday....eventually....well maybe.


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I don't watch NASCAR, but I'm certainly not a fan of this.

And put the damn thing back on the General Lee as well.

It's referencing a history that is long gone, and will never return, not asking for converts.

Maybe it's because I'm white and Southern.
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I don't watch NASCAR, but I'm certainly not a fan of this.

And put the damn thing back on the General Lee as well.

It's referencing a history that is long gone, and will never return, not asking for converts.

Maybe it's because I'm white and Southern.
It's actually referencing the ethos of that time which is subjugation, oppression, mass murder, mass rape and rebellion. It's not a good look.

Would you be ok with open displays of the Nazi flag in Germany? I'm asking this seriously.

Edit: Terror. I forgot Terror. How could I forget terror and it's originator in that case, the KKK? I will discipline myself.
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On the fence on this one as I'm not a fan of censorship and wouldn't even like it be used towards Che Guevara shirts even tho my family has a personal beef with that sob. Then again Nascar is a real private company unlike google or twitter so they do have free reign as to what goes on in their premises imho.
You STILL don't understand what a publicly traded company is? Dude you need to do more reading.
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I don't watch NASCAR, but I'm certainly not a fan of this.

And put the damn thing back on the General Lee as well.

It's referencing a history that is long gone, and will never return, not asking for converts.

Maybe it's because I'm white and Southern.
While I appreciate history in general normally when colours are flown it's out of respect or fond remembrance. The only redeeming feature of the Confederacy was the right of secession but IMO even hardcore southerners today would call that treasonous.
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You STILL don't understand what a publicly traded company is? Dude you need to do more reading.
I did and historically publicly trading companies was a public company which is why we still call it a public company till this day. Public Private is a oxymoron and a work of fiction that people unaware of history get sucker into believing is a real thing.
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I don't watch NASCAR, but I'm certainly not a fan of this.

And put the damn thing back on the General Lee as well.

It's referencing a history that is long gone, and will never return, not asking for converts.

Maybe it's because I'm white and Southern.
The issue is it's a symbol for both groups of people. Those who had family who fought in the war but really aren't racists themselves, but also those who really are racists and want to convert people. That's where the gray area is.

If the flag is next to say a monument or something where a significant battle took place, that makes sense and isn't offensive. However if someone is flying it from a home, pickup truck, or it's tattooed on their arm, it kinda sends a different message.
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It's fine, I don't care to see them. The flags are scattered everywhere I live anyways. My main thing is that every company, and everyone, is feeling pressure to bend over backwards for everything that's going on, in fear of being called / branded a racist. Ie, blackout Tuesday. I saw white folks being called racist for NOT posting a black picture... It's ridiculous.
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It's fine, I don't care to see them. The flags are scattered everywhere I live anyways. My main thing is that every company, and everyone, is feeling pressure to bend over backwards for everything that's going on, in fear of being called / branded a racist. Ie, blackout Tuesday. I saw white folks being called racist for NOT posting a black picture... It's ridiculous.
Yup this drives me insane. Who are these people to judge who is racist and who is not? They judge people as racist without knowing who they are, or how they treat people. Instead of doing that why don't they go after those who REALLY are racist or go after local lawmakers putting laws in place that negatively impact those communities feeling the oppression. Pointing fingers and creating divide where there isn't an issue will only cause more hate and problems.
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I'm from Missouri and we never really though of ourselves as the "South". I can't recall every having anything with a confederate flag on it as a child unless I had a Duke of Hazard General Lee hot wheels or something like that I don't recall.

I have absolutely no love or care about the confederate flag one way or another.

My only issue is this "you'll be offended by what we tell you to be offended about" mentality that so many are willing to go along with. One of my first roommates was black and he had a big close family and they were over often and I went to family deals with him all the time not to mention the mingling our friends and stuff. We had all colors and creeds in and out of our apartment all the time. That was in the early 90's maybe? I never remember a single person having any problem with it or discussing it as being racist or really discussing it at all. Not once until a few years back when someone decided it was a racist symbol.

You can make this same argument with many items over the last few years and it is growing at incredible speed. On the radio this morning I heard them say that "Urban" is now an offensive word and is being targeted for being racist?

Maybe I am just against being told what to do/think and don't want to be anyone's lapdog that will bark when told too even about things I agree with? I feel any movement that is based on cancelling things we do not like will be used against you eventually. It is just a matter of time. Those things are based on keeping the "fire" going and the requires lots of "wood". When they get low on "wood" the next "wood" they find might be something you no longer agree with but the "fire" is so hot it burns whatever is put in it.

You reap what you sow will be a tough lesson in these instances.
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I'm from Missouri and we never really though of ourselves as the "South". I can't recall every having anything with a confederate flag on it as a child unless I had a Duke of Hazard General Lee hot wheels or something like that I don't recall.

I have absolutely no love or care about the confederate flag one way or another.

My only issue is this "you'll be offended by what we tell you to be offended about" mentality that so many are willing to go along with. One of my first roommates was black and he had a big close family and they were over often and I went to family deals with him all the time not to mention the mingling our friends and stuff. We had all colors and creeds in and out of our apartment all the time. That was in the early 90's maybe? I never remember a single person having any problem with it or discussing it as being racist or really discussing it at all. Not once until a few years back when someone decided it was a racist symbol.

You can make this same argument with many items over the last few years and it is growing at incredible speed. On the radio this morning I heard them say that "Urban" is now an offensive word and is being targeted for being racist?

Maybe I am just against being told what to do/think and don't want to be anyone's lapdog that will bark when told too even about things I agree with? I feel any movement that is based on cancelling things we do not like will be used against you eventually. It is just a matter of time. Those things are based on keeping the "fire" going and the requires lots of "wood". When they get low on "wood" the next "wood" they find might be something you no longer agree with but the "fire" is so hot it burns whatever is put in it.

You reap what you sow will be a tough lesson in these instances.
You Missouri folks were a compromise.
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