F1 2024: Brazilian GP - São Paulo (Nov 3)

[GuidoK]

F1 2024: Brazilian GP - São Paulo (Nov 3)

Schedule:
https://www.formula1.com/en/racing/2024/brazil
This is a sprint race weekend!

Circuit:

Autódromo José Carlos Pace Interlagos (São Paulo)

When was the track built?

Building work began on what ended up being called the Autodromo Jose Carlos Pace – but what is more commonly referred to as Interlagos – all the way back in 1938. The track designers took their inspiration from three main circuits: Brooklands in the UK, Roosevelt Raceway in the USA and Montlhery in France.
When was its first Grand Prix?

Buoyed by the success of Brazil’s Emerson Fittipaldi, Formula 1 first jetted into Interlagos for a world championship race in 1973. Fans were treated to a home win in the first three Brazilian Grands Prix, with Fittipaldi victorious in 1973 and 1974, while Carlos Pace won in 1975.
What’s the circuit like?

Like many pre-World War II tracks, Interlagos features banked corners, with the drivers beginning their lap on a sort of half oval – in fact, between 1957 and the track’s return to the F1 calendar in 1990, Interlagos could be run as a giant oval. After wiggling through the Senna S and down to Turn 4, the drivers then go through a snaking in-field section with some challenging camber changes, before slinging back up the hill and through the banked final turn.
Why go?

A carnival atmosphere really does dominate in Brazil, and watching Formula 1 cars alongside the locals is something every F1 fan should experience. True, it doesn’t look like there’ll be a local driver to cheer on any time soon, but that won’t stop the party at Interlagos.
Where is the best place to watch?

Because of the bowl-like nature of the track, a place in Grandstand A on the banked entry to the start-finish straight will give you a double whammy of views, allowing you to see the cars winding through the infield section and then passing underneath you. On the other end of the straight, Grandstand M will put you on top of the first corner and the Senna S, the best spot to watch overtakes on the track.

2023 race highlights:

2023 thread:
https://www.zpost.com/forums/showthread.php?t=2058352

[GuidoK]

So what are your predictions?
Rumours are that Max will need a new engine (at least the block), so that means a grid penalty. I'm not sure how that works with a sprint weekend, but I assume the grid penalty is for the main race, not the sprint race.
Max was significantly slower in the speed traps at the Mexican GP than the other top teams (and also slower than his teammate)
Ferrari sure was strong in Mexico, both in qualifying as in the race, but Lando was very fast in the latter part of the race.
My prediction:
1. NOR
2. LEC
3. PIA
4. HAM
5. VER
6. SAI
7. RUS
8. HULK
9. LAW
10. ALO

But who knows what kind of shenanigans Max will come up with to make the most of the rules
His actions during the last race in Mexico seemed very brutal and severely punished, but in hindsight, if Lando had passed him at an earlier point (and Max had recieved no penalties) the outcome could've been that Lando had won the race (at the end he passed LEC easily and gained significantly on SAI) and Max could've been 4th (I don't think Max could've passed any of the Ferrari's).
Result: Now Max lost 10 points on Lando (18pts - 8 pts); if Lando had won and Max was 4th, Max would've lost 13 points on Lando (25pts-12 pts). Is Max and the RB strategic department so good that they thought of this prior to the race, or in the first stage of the race (once they saw how fast SAI was for example, pure on engine speed/power when he overtook Max)?

Of course it's also known to rain from time to time in Brazil

[Marcoose]

Let’s hope the Max Factor finally breaks the 11-race no-win streak. Somebody please give this guy a winning car.

[Blindside_137]

I really don’t see max or redbull getting wins the rest of the year.

And I think McLaren kick themselves for not getting Lando more points when he could have (and should have).

Would love to see Ferrari get the constructors though at this point.

[GuidoK]

Originally Posted by Blindside_137

Would love to see Ferrari get the constructors though at this point.

Yeah and Max getting the WDC. So McLaren gets nothing
I would really feel for Lando, but I'd love to see Zak kick himself in the head

...strange feeling, being a big McLaren fan in the late 80's early 90's, now wanting Ferrari more to win the WCC

[G30M]

Originally Posted by Blindside_137

And I think McLaren kick themselves for not getting Lando more points when he could have (and should have).

I don't think they are kicking anything.

They are still trying to figure out who Lando is racing.

A - Oscar
B - Max
C - Carlos
D - Charles

in that order

[M5Rick]

There is currently 70% chance of rainfall for the main race on Sunday and as far as using a new PU in the sprint and quali then the better one of the two working older engines in the race not to incur a grid penalty for MAX could be considered but a gamble if it doesn't rain. PU's should be allowed to be swapped from teammates cars without penalty.
i'll give a prediction later closer to the race weekend.

[M5Rick]

That said in reality he will probably get a new PU anyway as the risk of engine failure or loss of some power will be too high in the main race, rain or no rain.
Also in the vid Horner provides proof that NOR's speed into the turn challenging MAX was always going to mean he'd be off the track completely anyway just to be a few inches ahead at the apex so MAX would get penalty under the archaic current rules.

[3798j]

"19 out of 20" drivers aligned on F1 racing guidelines changes...no surprise here.

https://www.motorsport.com/f1/news/r...nges/10667728/

[wizardofOz]

BOLD predictions:

1. Sainz
2. Max
3. Lando

Checo in the race somewhere but behind Lawson

[fs1977]

I think Verstappen is going to win the Sprintrace.

Mainrace:

1. Leclerc
2. Norris
3. Piastri
4. Sainz
5. Verstappen
6. Russel
7. Hamilton
8. Hulkenberg
9. Magnussen
10. Perez

[MoeTE87]

Originally Posted by fs1977

I think Verstappen is going to win the Sprintrace.

Mainrace:

1. Leclerc
2. Norris
3. Piastri
4. Sainz
5. Verstappen
6. Russel
7. Hamilton
8. Hulkenberg
9. Magnussen
10. Perez

I agree with your Sprint Race winner, but I think if RB gives Max a new PU and despite the grid penalty, I believe he will finish in top 3. Just hope his amateur hour has passed and can drive a clean race this weekend!

Perez won't crack the top 15.

I am also pulling for Carlos! I have seen a few of his appearances on some of the YouTube golf channels I watch and he seems like a great guy who got the wrong end of the stick to be honest! So I am pulling for him as well!

I'm just happy there has been a race 3 straight weekends and then its Vegas!

[HeelToeShift]

Originally Posted by GuidoK

Yeah and Max getting the WDC. So McLaren gets nothing
I would really feel for Lando, but I'd love to see Zak kick himself in the head

...strange feeling, being a big McLaren fan in the late 80's early 90's, now wanting Ferrari more to win the WCC

I'm with you on this, this year...next year, I cannot get behind anything theyre doing even though Lec is prob my 2nd fav driver.

This is a good place for Max to take the engine penalty so he can be strong for the last 3 tracks where he really needs the speed. Nor may also need a new engine and ancillary parts for one of the last 4 races too.

Hopefully we see some hard racing, and quite a few DNFs as well. Let's see how Nor deals with what is going to be immense, and ever building pressure on him. I think he will make a big mistake that is going to cost him and Mclaren.

[Killed by Death]

Originally Posted by wizardofOz

BOLD predictions:

1. Sainz
2. Max
3. Lando

Checo in the race somewhere but behind Lawson

[M5Rick]

Lawson has only been in RBR's second team for a few days and he should give way to a faster driver from the sister team when approached.Being pig headed and showing some sort of finger at Checo when he passed is not doing himself any favours with the resulting damage to both cars.
https://www.formula1.com/en/latest/a...Rx7u6Kyjj5U5z8

[E92inNC]

My boys in red are going to finish off the triple header🤌

[Killed by Death]

Originally Posted by M5Rick

Lawson has only been in RBR's second team for a few days and he should give way to a faster driver from the sister team when approached.Being pig headed and showing some sort of finger at Checo when he passed is not doing himself any favours with the resulting damage to both cars.
https://www.formula1.com/en/latest/a...Rx7u6Kyjj5U5z8

Giving Checo the finger is never a bad idea

[Killed by Death]

Originally Posted by E92inNC

My boys in red are going to finish off the triple header🤌

Our boys 😎

[wizardofOz]

Originally Posted by Killed by Death

I mean based on how he has performed...why not be behind Lawson?

[AmuroRay]

Ham P1-3 for sure, with the Ferraris in the mix
Max with a DNF for being a scumbag and accidentally running himself off or someone getting tired of him.

[minn19]

Originally Posted by M5Rick

Lawson has only been in RBR's second team for a few days and he should give way to a faster driver from the sister team when approached.Being pig headed and showing some sort of finger at Checo when he passed is not doing himself any favours with the resulting damage to both cars.
https://www.formula1.com/en/latest/a...Rx7u6Kyjj5U5z8

It says a lot and it is pretty pathetic that Checo needs Lawson to move out of his way………….

[///M Power-Belgium]

Originally Posted by E92inNC

My boys in red are going to finish off the triple header🤌

I'm not so sure about that . The Brazilian track has slow turns , that's what the Papaya car really likes .

I've seen that Carlito's Ferrari PU is extremely strong and it looks like it has more ponies than Charlie's PU.
MAX has no chance to win the Brazilian GP. The RB20 is too slow..
But if it rains ...