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View Poll Results: Which amendment is more important?
1st amendment 23 41.82%
2nd Amendment 27 49.09%
I don't care 5 9.09%
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      02-19-2019, 01:27 PM   #1
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Which Amendment is more important?

Had a discussion with another member about a presidential candidate I liked in 2016, and he stated that the candidate was a no go for him because of his support for restrictions on assault rifles.
And as is obvious, I'm an ardent supporter of a free press that I believe is under attack.


Amendment I. Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the government for a redress of grievances.

Amendment II Right to Bear Arms. A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.
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They are all important, the one that is most important at any point in time is the one under threat of being abridged.

For me this is a false choice; both/all matter and there is no reason to trade one to get another.
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Without the first Amendment, there is no second Amendment.

Second Amendment without first Amendment, there is a danger of becoming a fascism regime.
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And as is obvious, I'm an ardent supporter of a free press that I believe is under attack.
That’s a totally false premise. There has been absolutely no attempt at abridging the freedom of the press. You’re confusing freedom to print whatever they want with freedom from criticism. The Constitution does not protect the press from criticism. If it did, that would be infringing on the freedom of speech of the critics. Hope this helps.

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Without the first Amendment, there is no second Amendment.

Second Amendment without first Amendment, there is a danger of becoming a fascism regime.
It could also be argued that, without the second amendment, there is no first amendment. Once you remove the ability of the people to defend themselves, it is much easier to control what they can say.
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It could also be argued that, without the second amendment, there is no first amendment. Once you remove the ability of the people to defend themselves, it is much easier to control what they can say.
Exactly how I feel.
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Because armed overthrows of the government have usually worked out in the populace's favor.
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Because armed overthrows of the government have usually worked out in the populace's favor.
Worked out pretty well for us, please refer to link below:

https://www.britannica.com/event/American-Revolution

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It could also be argued that, without the second amendment, there is no first amendment. Once you remove the ability of the people to defend themselves, it is much easier to control what they can say.
The right to defend yourself does not have its basis in the 2nd Amendment.

The 1st Amendment is the most important amendment BY FAR. It is the amendment by which one can effect change.

Edit: Another way to think about it: Aside from the original 10 Amendments (the Bill of Rights), all of the next 17 amendments were the result of the 1st Amendment.
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Once you remove the ability of the people to defend themselves, it is much easier to control what they can say.
The second Amendment was written during which time, the state militias were armed with hand held rifles. Nowaday, the government got so much sophisticated tools that even the with the second Amendment or first Amendment, the government can pretty do whatever it wants.
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Because armed overthrows of the government have usually worked out in the populace's favor.
Worked out pretty well for us, please refer to link below:

https://www.britannica.com/event/American-Revolution

Yep, and we are the exception to the rule.

And we needed a foreign power to pull it off too.
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Had a discussion with another member about a presidential candidate I liked in 2016, and he stated that the candidate was a no go for him because of his support for restrictions on assault rifles.
And as is obvious, I'm an ardent supporter of a free press that I believe is under attack.


Amendment I. Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the government for a redress of grievances.

Amendment II Right to Bear Arms. A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.
This is a patently false premise. Which is more important, your hand or your foot? They are equally important for different reasons.

And while I understand that you are a supporter of the press, the press as represented now, indeed the last 20 years, does not remotely resemble anything the founding fathers may have envisioned. They are partisan lackeys who present a nearly unified message without regard to evidence, objectivity, or facts. They, collectively, represent a propaganda machine with a narrow band of themes: Get Trump. Torpedo Conservatives. Prop up Liberal/Progressives. Ignore anything that doesn't fit the aforementioned themes.

They are an absolute disgrace with the only other professions held in less regard being attorneys and professional politicians.

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Both but if I had a choice it would be arms, as a government always seizes your weapons before it goes after your speech, UK is proving this right now.
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This is a patently false premise. Which is more important, your hand or your foot? They are equally important for different reasons.


They are an absolute disgrace with the only other professions held in less regard being attorneys and professional politicians.

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The premise is: which amendment do you feel is more important. How is that a false premise?
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Worked out pretty well for us, please refer to link below:

https://www.britannica.com/event/American-Revolution

Yes, but the difference in armament is very different now vs then. Back then everyone was armed the same way.

You think a gun or two will prevent the govt from placing a guided missile through your front door if they wanted to?
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all amendments hold equal weight. You cant pick and choose which ones matter.

its like choosing between water or food. without the other, your sol.
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The argument that the founders meant something different than what makes sense today is without merit, too. In their wisdom they knew some things might become outdated, and they provided the means to adjust for that. Something called amendments. You libbies might want to look into that.
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Not really what it is all about. The government is still just people. If you have a full on government revolt, the bulk of the military will not be on the side of the despotic regime. You don't need to stop the missile, you just need to stop the guy telling the E-1 to launch the missile.
That's a lot riding on hope. You can just as assume not everyone will follow your thinking and you are one of the few who are revolting.

Even the American Revolution was not a straight forward war. Americans used guerrilla warfare and received arms support from foreign govts like France in order to fight the English.

Anyway, not saying 2nd amendment is bad, I like guns for sport and self protection... but against govt, that's a whole other thing.
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One of the very first things a socialist/ communist despot does when taking control of a country is to take firearms always from civilians leaving only their personal military with weapons. Can any libs here answer why they do that?
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