F1 2022: Brazilian GP - São Paulo (Nov 13)

[M5Rick]

Originally Posted by NYG

Killed by Death

Did you catch Charles flipping off Lando?

I'm sure they had a beer afterwards, it's just the F1 during the race they hate each other

[NYG]

Originally Posted by chaungo

Exactly, noone drives to be the #1 drivers sacrificial lamb.

Everyone genuinely thinks they got a shot at being WDC, and once you perform subpar or no longer looks like you can keep up, you become a #2 driver that helps the #1 driver win.

Either way, I believe this situation is done and dusted, Max got even with Perez at his own expense of fans and respect, he stood by what he believed in, knowing that he will incur the wrath of the fanbase and drivers, and losing fans and respect. And to me, that's something I can get behind.

We'll see a different red bull in Abu Dhabi, and definitely a different team next year. Papa Perez is probably going to try to remedy the situation.

Harsh facts of life:

Max is only concerned with Max. If Max is behind you then you're in his way. If you let him pass, you're just minimizing team damages because he's going to pass you anyway and once he's in front, you're not passing him on merit.

The current #2 seat at Red Bull Racing is the most difficult seat in F1 by a HUGE margin.

There's no other team with a driver who is that unbeatable in the same car.

I would rather be Hamilton's, LeClerc's, Alonso's teammate any day of the WEEK over Max. Surely, even the biggest Max hater here can admit this?

[HeelToeShift]

Originally Posted by NYG

Harsh facts of life:

Max is only concerned with Max. If Max is behind you then you're in his way. If you let him pass, you're just minimizing team damages because he's going to pass you anyway and once he's in front, you're not passing him on merit.

The current #2 seat at Red Bull Racing is the most difficult seat in F1 by a HUGE margin.

There's no other team with a driver who is that unbeatable in the same car.

I would rather be Hamilton's, LeClerc's, Alonso's teammate any day of the WEEK over Max. Surely, even the biggest Max hater here can admit this?

If Max were paired with any other driver in F1, that driver would not stand a chance. There's a reason Ham never wanted Max on his team...Max would have trounced Ham and made him look even more average than he does this year.

[lens]

Originally Posted by NYG

Harsh facts of life:

Max is only concerned with Max. If Max is behind you then you're in his way. If you let him pass, you're just minimizing team damages because he's going to pass you anyway and once he's in front, you're not passing him on merit.

The current #2 seat at Red Bull Racing is the most difficult seat in F1 by a HUGE margin.

There's no other team with a driver who is that unbeatable in the same car.

I would rather be Hamilton's, LeClerc's, Alonso's teammate any day of the WEEK over Max. Surely, even the biggest Max hater here can admit this?

Technically, the seat in the Mercedes was unbeatable for a while.

Until Lord Rosberg beat Hamilton in equal machinery.

then from there Hamilton won the next 4 years, before losing in 2021.


But yes, RBR #2 seat is literally inferno difficulty x20, either you perform like Max, or you're booted. Daniel, Gasly, Albon all suffered, and now Checo.

[NYG]

Originally Posted by chaungo

Technically, the seat in the Mercedes was unbeatable for a while.

Until Lord Rosberg beat Hamilton in equal machinery.

then from there Hamilton won the next 4 years, before losing in 2021.


But yes, RBR #2 seat is literally inferno difficulty x20, either you perform like Max, or you're booted. Daniel, Gasly, Albon all suffered, and now Checo.

Even Bottas outpaced Hamilton in some races though, although not many, and I'm not taking anything away from Hamilton/LeClerc/Alonso - it would SUCK being #2 to any of those guys but it would suck so much more being Max's teammate.

[G30M]

Originally Posted by NYG

Harsh facts of life:

Max is only concerned with Max. If Max is behind you then you're in his way. If you let him pass, you're just minimizing team damages because he's going to pass you anyway and once he's in front, you're not passing him on merit.

The current #2 seat at Red Bull Racing is the most difficult seat in F1 by a HUGE margin.

There's no other team with a driver who is that unbeatable in the same car.

I would rather be Hamilton's, LeClerc's, Alonso's teammate any day of the WEEK over Max. Surely, even the biggest Max hater here can admit this?

alpha male hierarchy in RBR

Max

whoever owns RB

Horner

Max engineer

Max mechanic

Max chef

Max cleaner

Max cleaner's dog

Sergio

[NYG]

Originally Posted by G99M5

alpha male hierarchy in RBR

Max

whoever owns RB

Horner

Max engineer

Max mechanic

Max chef

Max cleaner

Max cleaner's dog

Sergio

Idk, I think Helmut would lay the smack down on everyone if he had to. Austrian's have that tendency.

[NYG]

Cool photo - went from being a fan to beating a driver he looked/looks up to.

[HeelToeShift]

Originally Posted by NYG

Cool photo - went from being a fan to beating a driver he looked/looks up to.

"so that's how you cheat, crash into people, and do it for a living". LOL

Rus has not cheated...yet, but he sure has the crashing into people part down.

[///M Power-Belgium]

Originally Posted by NYG

Cool photo - went from being a fan to beating a driver he looked/looks up to.

Have you seen the names of his books ?

[NYG]

Originally Posted by ///M Power-Belgium

Have you seen the names of his books ?

Who do you think he learned "he turned into me" from?

EDIT: HeelToeShift beat me to it lmaooo

[M5Rick]

Originally Posted by ///M Power-Belgium

Have you seen the names of his books ?

Those signed books must be long gone from his bookshelf

[lens]

Originally Posted by HeelToeShift

"so that's how you cheat, crash into people, and do it for a living". LOL

Rus has not cheated...yet, but he sure has the crashing into people part down.

Look at how he looked at Hamilton.

the look of "Keep smiling, I'm going to beat you one day for ignoring me you motherfuc-"

[NYG]

So there's a lot of information developing about Perez deliberately spinning out in Monaco qualifying. There's even videos with onboard telemetry showing him go full throttle mid-apex.

Not even sure what to think of this - it doesn't really make a lot of sense?

[G30M]

Originally Posted by M5Rick

Those signed books must be long gone from his bookshelf

He never signed them

[Artemis]

Originally Posted by NYG

I don't think any of these guys drive to be a team player. I think some of them end up playing the team game because of the circumstances that they are in, whether it's lack of skill or lack of car.

Team 'mates' or team 'colleagues' or team 'members' ?

Niki Lauda had a very privileged position to witness the team dynamics - or lack of those - between team mates Hamilton and Rosberg in 2016. Have a listen to what this F1 legend said back in 2017, in his usual composed and straight-up fashion:
"They had no relation, which is always bad. So they were so bad, that they didn't even say "Hello!" to each other in the morning. (...) So they played all the tricks you can do, which I understood, I did myself too, but for the team it was pretty tiring." and "I think he [Rosberg] retired really because the pressure of Lewis was too hard for him to cope with in the future. Because Lewis is a tough cookie to drive for. And then he [Rosberg] won the race [2016 Abu Dhabi] with all these tricks Lewis holding back and the others [Vettel and Verstappen] coming. And it was tough for him [Rosberg] the whole year because Lewis was the world champion to get beaten. Yeah, it was hard work."

Abu Dhabi 2016 race:

Hamilton's "What am I supposed to do? Just sit there and let the dude [team mate Rosberg] come win the championship?" comment:

Rosberg criticizing Hamilton for complicating the crucial race for him:

Press-conference - Rosberg getting very emotional:

Hamilton-Rosberg incidents on track:

[NYG]

Originally Posted by Artemis

Abu Dhabi 2016 race:

I remember this season vividly - this is the season where my opinion of Lewis the person drastically changed and why it confuses me how so many people thing he's some warrior of good moral virtue. He's a scumbag. I was so ecstatic when I heard Nico's wife radio to him that he won.

[John Tanglewood]

Popped in to say that regardless of Max "the driver" is, Max "the person" is still a little baby back b**** who I hope will get an ego check in the worst of ways. Karma is a two-way street!

[///M Power-Belgium]

Originally Posted by NYG

Who do you think he learned "I turned into myself" from?

EDIT: HeelToeShift beat me to it lmaooo

FTFY

[M3WC]

Originally Posted by NYG

I remember this season vividly - this is the season where my opinion of Lewis the person drastically changed and why it confuses me how so many people thing he's some warrior of good moral virtue. He's a scumbag. I was so ecstatic when I heard Nico's wife radio to him that he won.

Also remember that season very well. I was a huge Hamilton fan back then, absolutely despised Nico all through that season. I thought Nico was a sh*t teammate and drove too hard...etc. Come full circle, I now can't stand Lewis and Nico has proven to be a very down to earth guy. Very happy Nico was able to realize his dream and take down one of the best in the same equipment.

[GuidoK]

I think the Rosberg vs. Hamilton situation is no different than the Prost vs. Senna situation, or Vettel vs. Webber situation or Hamilton vs. Alonso situation.
If both deem themselves the #1 driver, then there are no rules on the track and shit happens.
And maybe that also happened early on this year between Max and Checo.
Now the rumour is that it's due to Monaco's q3 crash.
But what if Max back then requested to go first on track and RB sent Checo out first? And consequently the crash happens?
None of us knows exactly what happened, none of us where there, none of us knows even if Monaco was the reason.
But both the reaction of Max ("you know my stand on this") and the reaction of Checo ("now we know what kind of a guy he is"), points at friction between the two (and RB) and holding some grudge over something.
It has nothing to do with the points scored sunday by Max, but it has to do with something happening earlier this year or before from which Max apparently thought not solved sufficiently to give closure. That's when things like this happen.
It's up to team management to nip stuff like this in the bud so it doesn't escalates.

[NYG]

Originally Posted by M3WC

Also remember that season very well. I was a huge Hamilton fan back then, absolutely despised Nico all through that season. I thought Nico was a sh*t teammate and drove too hard...etc. Come full circle, I now can't stand Lewis and Nico has proven to be a very down to earth guy. Very happy Nico was able to realize his dream and take down one of the best in the same equipment.

At the end of the day, we've all got common grounds in these threads.