F1 2022: Brazilian GP - São Paulo (Nov 13)

[HeelToeShift]

Originally Posted by chaungo

Everyone bitching about max, but look at Leclerc begging for 3rd place (which would be 3 points btw) vs Perez begging for 6th (which would be 2 pts)

Perez wouldn't need to beg if he just drove better this weekend and the weekends before.

He's a #2 driver, he would never win a championship, or beat Max, he had the chance in the beginning of the season, and he just didn't perform.

The fact that Max had to pit early for damage, then managed to go from last to 6th, and pass Perez already tells you how much better of a driver he is.

Next year is his last year, and Perez will be booted off the team for someone else.




And Lewis is always throwing shade at Max, dude gave him zero space and somehow Max got the penalty lmao, they didn't cause any issues all season and the only time they had a chance to win, Lewis squeezes him like he always does to any driver and gets away Scot free.

How anyone likes Hamilton is beyond me, dude drives dirty, and people jump to his defense all the time, he isn't even a good driver, look how he drove all season, and hasn't even won a race yet, and he always plays the victim card of "I always have a target on my back"

As VER said, he went for the gap, it costed him 5 seconds, but it costed HAM the win. I seriously hope HAM never wins another race again so he's exposed as a fraudulent champion.

Yea, I don’t know how ham leaves maybe 1/2 car at best and Ver gets the penalty? Ham honestly is not an impressive driver when he actually has to race. His race skills and intellect are sub par and this season exposed it. Max went toe to toe with almost everyone this season with little to no incidents and has come out ahead. Ham and Rus think they can just dive bomb into corners. Rus I’m sure will have an even bigger ego now that he won a race. He is as much or more of a tool than Ham is.

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Originally Posted by HeelToeShift

Yea, I don’t know how ham leaves maybe 1/2 car at best and Ver gets the penalty? Ham honestly is not an impressive driver when he actually has to race. His race skills and intellect are sub par and this season exposed it. Max went toe to toe with almost everyone this season with little to no incidents and has come out ahead. Ham and Rus think they can just dive bomb into corners. Rus I’m sure will have an even bigger ego now that he won a race. He is as much or more of a tool than Ham is.

So VER gets a penalty for dive bombing, 5 seconds and points in his licence.

And yet, HAM is the one that does it?

[lens]

Originally Posted by Onesie

So VER gets a penalty for dive bombing, 5 seconds and points in his licence.

And yet, HAM is the one that does it?

Where do you see dive bomb from VER?

He was alongside HAM and got squeezed out.

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Originally Posted by chaungo

Where do you see dive bomb from VER?

He was alongside HAM and got squeezed out.

I’m sorry, I watched the race.

Please tell us why VER got a penalty.

Edit: I’ll make your life easier:
https://www.planetf1.com/news/fia-ex...paulo-penalty/

The stewards determined that Verstappen attempted to pass Hamilton on the outside of Turn 1 by braking very late.

“He did not complete the pass in Turn 1 and his excess speed compromised his entry into Turn 2, at which point he made contact with Hamilton.“

What is your definition of “dive bomb”?

[HeelToeShift]

Originally Posted by Onesie

So VER gets a penalty for dive bombing, 5 seconds and points in his licence.

And yet, HAM is the one that does it?

How many cars have Ham and Rus crashed out this year compared to RB? I cant think of one from RB but MB have done it numerous times.

Rus crashed into Per at the RB Ring.
Rus almost killed Zhou at Silverstone
Rus crashed into Sai at COTA
Dove into Perez at French GP
just to name a few

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Originally Posted by HeelToeShift

How many cars have Ham and Rus crashed out this year compared to RB? I cant think of one from RB but MB have done it numerous times.

Your point being?

[lens]

Originally Posted by Onesie

I’m sorry, I watched the race.

Please tell us why VER got a penalty.

Edit: I’ll make your life easier:
https://www.planetf1.com/news/fia-ex...paulo-penalty/

The stewards determined that Verstappen attempted to pass Hamilton on the outside of Turn 1 by braking very late.

“He did not complete the pass in Turn 1 and his excess speed compromised his entry into Turn 2, at which point he made contact with Hamilton.“

What is your definition of “dive bomb”?

“While the stewards recognize that Hamilton could possibly have given a little more room at the apex of Turn 2, the stewards determined that Verstappen was predominantly at fault.”

Got it, so they were bias.

If this ever happens again, just squeeze your competitor out and they get the penalty.

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Originally Posted by chaungo

“While the stewards recognize that Hamilton could possibly have given a little more room at the apex of Turn 2, the stewards determined that Verstappen was predominantly at fault.”

Got it, so they were bias.

If this ever happens again, just squeeze your competitor out and they get the penalty.

Geez man it’s hard to debate with you guys, you argue even with facts lol
I wish I was on Max’s payroll too, because that’s the only way I’d defend someone so blindly all the time hahaha

Cheers mate.

[TheBingoBalls]

Originally Posted by Onesie

Geez man it’s hard to debate with you guys, you argue even with facts lol
I wish I was on Max’s payroll too, because that’s the only way I’d defend someone so blindly all the time hahaha

Cheers mate.

Yup.

When HAM gets penalized "it's his fault, that's why he got the penalty". Guess the same doesn't apply here.

Some of these comments here are just laughable devoid of any logic or sense - 100% fanboyism.

Personally I thought it was a racing incident but apparently F1 shouldn't have any collisions. NOR didn't get a penalty for clearly driving into LEC which had an excellent drive today and recovered from a worse incident.

[lens]

Originally Posted by Onesie

Geez man it’s hard to debate with you guys, you argue even with facts lol
I wish I was on Max’s payroll too, because that’s the only way I’d defend someone so blindly all the time hahaha

Cheers mate.

I wish I was on HAMs payroll too because he never does anything wrong.

Clean racing from Max all season with everyone, including Russel , and some wheel to wheel with HAM results in a crash? I think we know the problem, and it ain't max.

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Originally Posted by chaungo

I wish I was on HAMs payroll too because he never does anything wrong.

Clean racing from Max all season with everyone, including Russel , and some wheel to wheel with HAM results in a crash? I think we know the problem, and it ain't max.

HAM does things wrong too, and he gets penalties for those…
Don’t think anyone stands here arguing those, I sure wouldn’t. The penalties assessed are all correct. I’ve never seen the FIA make a mistake when handing those out. They look at the thing from angles we don’t even see, with knowledge of the rules and experience of racing. More than ours.

You guys are free to debate whether the penalty was right or not, lol I provided the evidence, that suffices as fact To me and I have no dog in that fight.

Cheers!

Late EDIT: I just replied because I thought it was interesting you claimed HAM dive bombs on the same note VER was being penalized for doing just that… and by virtue of you saying that, I found it was safe to assume that if the positions were reversed, you’d be making the same claim, but defending VER for “not needing to give room because he came flying next to him”.

[HeelToeShift]

Originally Posted by Onesie

Your point being?

MB are dirty drivers.

[gatorfast]

Fun race overall. Max showing what a dbag he is, nothing new.

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Originally Posted by HeelToeShift

MB are dirty drivers.

Like it’s in their contract or mission statement or something?
As soon as you sign with Merc you become corrupt? You sure?

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Originally Posted by gatorfast

Fun race overall. Max showing what a dbag he is, nothing new.

I thought that too, but then now looking at the Monaco incident, could that have been why. Thoughts? I’m not sure I’d do differently if I felt I was hurt by the same person.

[lens]

Originally Posted by Onesie

Like it’s in their contract or mission statement or something?
As soon as you sign with Merc you become corrupt? You sure?

Well, looking at how many people RUS torpedoed this season...

[TheBingoBalls]

Originally Posted by Onesie

I thought that too, but then now looking at the Monaco incident, could that have been why. Thoughts? I’m not sure I’d do differently if I felt I was hurt by the same person.

Maybe if points still mattered. Also, if it was an issue, this should've been dealt with and addressed in team meetings and not spill into the race because what we saw was bad and the radio made in even worse - it was literally a middle finger to the entire team.

Ultimately, it was a dumb and selfish decision by VER but race is over and LEC and PER are tied for points. Winner takes all - PER should be focused on trying to win this race on his own.

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Originally Posted by TheBingoBalls

Maybe if points still mattered. Also, if it was an issue, this should've been dealt with and addressed in team meetings and not spill into the race because what we saw was bad and the radio made in even worse - it was literally a middle finger to the entire team.

Ultimately, it was a dumb and selfish decision by VER but race is over and LEC and PER are tied for points. Winner takes all - PER should be focused on trying to win this race on his own.

I’m a way it gave us something to watch. Since the WDC is done, we can now look at the battle for second.

Glad there’s no more Masi lol.

[G30M]

No need to rage on about Hamilton.

He did that to protect Russell and that move gave Merc the win.

Sergio would have done that for Max. Not the other way round though.

[Marcoose]

Our champion* is a brilliant driver, and not someone I’d have a beer with.

[TheBingoBalls]

Originally Posted by Onesie

I’m a way it gave us something to watch. Since the WDC is done, we can now look at the battle for second.

Glad there’s no more Masi lol.

Kind of rooting for PER to win on his own now but still want LEC to finish second after all the shit he went through and it would be will deserved.

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Originally Posted by TheBingoBalls

Kind of rooting for PER to win on his own now but still want LEC to finish second after all the shit he went through and it would be will deserved.

Funny you should say that. I can’t root for PER.
I like LEC and I think he got stiffed by Ferrari, hope he can get 2nd overall and hopefully a win too.

Funny because someone above said Merc Drivers are dirty, but I haven’t seen them crashing on purpose (a la Piquet) and their team wasn’t fined for cheating on the budget