F1 2022: USA GP - Austin (Oct 23)

[NYG]

Originally Posted by E86Z4MC

Absolutely ridiculous take, given what Lewis has endured vs his peers. Lewis outraced a defending world champion his rookie season. Other WDC drivers have also said that Lewis was their toughest rival.

Credit to Red Bull for making a monster car that can do 360 spins mid race and still win with outright pace.

I'm not getting into another Lewis flame war, considering he's now irrelevant but I do find it hilariously ironic how LH44 fans talk about the RB18 dominance in such detail even though they were neck and neck with Ferrari for most of the season while having an entire era multiple magnitudes ahead of the next best car. Merc barely won the constructors in 2021 and from Brazil, the Red Bull wasn't EVEN CLOSE to their performance.

Merc fans gonna Merc.

[M5Rick]

Originally Posted by NYG

Polska???? Kuuuuuuurwaaaaaa

Prosze pana nie mówić tak

[NYG]

Originally Posted by M5Rick

Prosze pana nie mówić tak

If you're Polish - YOU HAVE TO SAY THAT.

[NickyC]

Wow just read what they did to Alonso, what a disgrace!!

[M5Rick]

Originally Posted by NYG

If you're Polish - YOU HAVE TO SAY THAT.

If you're up to your neck with a problem then yes but with me it's 'holera jasna'! or simply 'shizer'

[M5Rick]

Originally Posted by NickyC

Wow just read what they did to Alonso, what a disgrace!!

30 second penalty is like crucifying him.

[NYG]

Originally Posted by M5Rick

30 second penalty is like crucifying him.

It's so much worse with how soft Russel's penalty was.

[NYG]

Also want to add;

LeClercs overtake on Perez was magnificent.

Watching Max vs Charles battle is what I want to see every race.

[M5Rick]

Originally Posted by NYG

It's so much worse with how soft Russel's penalty was.

Fia take it on the speed it happened, they took into account that Fernie was behind Lance who was taken out so hence the severe time penalty for Fernie unfortunately for him.

[GuidoK]

Originally Posted by NYG

It's so much worse with how soft Russel's penalty was.

True, and also that they solve it this way post race.

I understand that the FIA don't want pieces falling off cars in a race, but from what I understand is that HAAS already contacted the race director multiple times during the race to bring this under their attention and solve it.

Their reply was that they were 'looking into it', but clearly not enough otherwise they would have intervened and it could have been solved in the race in situ, during a tyre change or so (demanding that the team brings the car in to fix the issue, without even giving a penalty).
That this was a pressing matter is underlined by that the FIA thinks it's necessairy to give a penalty post race because it posed a safety hazard. But in the end this is a failure of the race director, not a failure of Alonso or Alpine.
So this is imho the 2nd time in a row that the FIA race directors make a mistake that concerns a safety issue: after last race is Suzuka, Freitas has been put on non active because of that crazy crane incident, and now Wittich doesn't handle the situation when it occurs but ALO is punished afterwards?

Handling a safety situation afterwards has no meaning compared to handling when it occurs then and there imho. So this is more a mistake from the race director than a mistake from ALO or Alpine.
Maybe appointing Freitas and Wittich over the experienced Masi wasn't such a good choice, looking at these safety failures.

[OG Shark]

Originally Posted by Artemis

You were there and got good taste for the money with this action-packed race.

Sure did - was an absolute joy watching the race out there. With VER taking the lead from the start I thought we were in for another snooze fest so it was awesome to watch how it ended up playing out. Fun battles to watch all around.

Originally Posted by yco

it was so close but more likely wishful thinking for Merc's to win this race..

bad luck for Sainz but im not sure Russel deserved that penalty.. Alonso also.. i never liked Alonso that much but that was very late move i guess it was Stroll and 99 of 100 drivers wont hit the brakes for avoiding that very late move..

anyway well done to RB for achieving constructers also.. even if it was certain..

i hope we wont watch boring af race towards to the end..

I don't know - I think RUS deserved the penalty. Wasn't as cut & dry as I first thought with the limited replays we could see out there - but I think RUS still came in too aggressive and could have avoided contact. Know it was the first corner but was still Sainz's by a long shot. At first thought it was more blatant but did look like he was expecting Sainz to be quicker out of the exit than he was after seeing the replay on TV. RUS definitely initiated the contact though and the lock up didn't help his cause either. And even if he did anticipate Sainz getting a better run out of the corner he has the responsibility to not hit him when he doesn't. Absolute shame too that he knocked SAI out of the race. Should have been more than 5 secs for that alone.

Also - they need to quit airing Russell's radio chat - between him patting himself on the back last race for a good move and then him saying SAI cut across him this time - he is really not doing himself any favors with fans.

Originally Posted by 3798j

It wasn't good...

Saw that this morning - that was absolutely horrible. He should have said no when they asked him since he obviously didn't want to be there.

Originally Posted by NYG

Super Max just proving what an absolute monster he is.

The FIA giving Alonso 30 seconds for a LEGENDARY race without a single meatball flag and giving George Torpedo Russel 5 seconds is an absolute disgrace.

Vettel had an exceptional race that Aston Martin was determined to ruin.

I would have loved to see 3 of Dietrich's racers on the podium.

RIP to Dietrich Mateschitz, the definition of an alpha male. He took an energy drink company to Formula 1 and destroyed actual car manufacturers. The bulls are plastered all over every form of racing and sport worldwide. Dietrich kept F1 alive pre-DTS. Dietrich told Porsche to go f' themselves and passed away with the driver and construction championship of F1. Legend.

Pretty amazing what Mateschitz accomplished. Truly one of the GOATs for all he did for motorsports - and not even to mention all his other accomplishments.

What they did to Alonso was ridiculous.

Originally Posted by NYG

I'm not getting into another Lewis flame war, considering he's now irrelevant but I do find it hilariously ironic how LH44 fans talk about the RB18 dominance in such detail even though they were neck and neck with Ferrari for most of the season while having an entire era multiple magnitudes ahead of the next best car. Merc barely won the constructors in 2021 and from Brazil, the Red Bull wasn't EVEN CLOSE to their performance.

Merc fans gonna Merc.

It's very strange how soon people forget how dominant the Merc cars were. Throughout their run both cars were far, far ahead of any others on the grid. Didn't matter who was driving them. Doesn't mean HAM wasn't a good driver - but the shear level of performance advantage Merc had during that period was astounding. The disparity we are seeing right now between teams/cars is different.

[NYG]

Originally Posted by OG Shark

It's very strange how soon people forget how dominant the Merc cars were. Throughout their run both cars were far, far ahead of any others on the grid. Didn't matter who was driving them. Doesn't mean HAM wasn't a good driver - but the shear level of performance advantage Merc had during that period was astounding. The disparity we are seeing right now between teams/cars is different.

That's what irks me and anyone that reads my posts on here knows that I'm not a Lewis fan but have a huge amount of respect for him as a driver. It probably doesn't register because I stand firm that Max 2021 is superior to Lewis at any point of his career as a driver.

Red Bull was NOT the best car all season, in fact, I think only recently did Red Bull start to pull away from Ferrari but it's not even by much - look at how hard Charles battled with Max at COTA. Terrible strategy, reliability and a few driver errors does not make Ferrari any less worthy of credit for designing one of the most ridiculous cars of 2022. Ferrari is the STRONGEST car in F1 but they're limited by front tire slip and reliability so it gives the illusion that the RB18 is the strongest car. They're close, they're a better team and they figured out the new tires early. Ferrari is setup for 2023 dominance if they can tackle these two things - at least for LeClerc. I think they're too sloppy for a constructor for now.

If you could scale the current era with how insane the Mercedes was, it would be like comparing the RB18 to the FW44 for most of the previous era with the FW44 being the #2 car after Merc. They comment about Spa as if they forgot Brazil 2021. Even Abu Dhabi - if Lewis had just a LITTLE more grip to corner, he was literally flying past Max on the last lap at every straight.

I get it - I'd probably say some silly chit too if Max started losing but you just witnessed the most dominant constructor era of all time in F1 - stop crying.

[lens]

Originally Posted by NYG

I get it - I'd probably say some silly chit too if Max started losing but you just witnessed the most dominant constructor era of all time in F1 - stop crying.

But... But Mercedes not dominating so F1 is boring and Red bull cheated.

Lewis should win everything because everyone hates him and he says he's always had a target on his back and everything said against him is due to racism /s

[NYG]

Originally Posted by chaungo

But... But Mercedes not dominating so F1 is boring and Red bull cheated.

Lewis should win everything because everyone hates him and he says he's always had a target on his back and everything said against him is due to racism /s

Yeah this mentality is annoying af.

EMBRACE THE MAX

[M5Rick]

Originally Posted by ///M Power-Belgium

MAX in pit ! 11.1 sec WOW !!!!!!!!!!!!

MAX said : That was beautiful guys !!!

But MAX lost the race there ! P5 .......

Never say never with Max my friend, he can move a mountain with just a stare

[EdM5]

Originally Posted by ///M Power-Belgium

Ik heb het hier al dikwijls gezegd , dit is slechts het begin van een F1 legende ..

Philippe, hij is al een legende

Maar dat weet jij natuurlijk al lang.

[EdM5]

Alonso's Austin 2022 race is already legendary. Never seen this before.
The 30s. penalty he got today is a total disgrace.

Fans and haters agree: this man has balls of steel.
After crashing heavily in Melbourne back in 2016 he said: my mum watches TV so I wanted to get out quickly and say I'm okay.

[E86Z4MC]

Originally Posted by NYG

I'm not getting into another Lewis flame war, considering he's now irrelevant but I do find it hilariously ironic how LH44 fans talk about the RB18 dominance in such detail even though they were neck and neck with Ferrari for most of the season while having an entire era multiple magnitudes ahead of the next best car. Merc barely won the constructors in 2021 and from Brazil, the Red Bull wasn't EVEN CLOSE to their performance.

Merc fans gonna Merc.

I'm no Merc fan. Since spa, Rb18 was as dominant as w13 was post Brazil last year. Arguably because of td39, but true nonetheless. That's a significantly longer stretch of the season than Brazil on from last year. Ferrari certainly neck and neck in qualifying, but not race pace in that time frame.

It'd be nice to see max have to drive directly against someone as challenging as an alonso or rosberg on the same team.

[NYG]

Originally Posted by E86Z4MC

I'm no Merc fan. Since spa, Rb18 was as dominant as w13 was post Brazil last year. Arguably because of td39, but true nonetheless. That's a significantly longer stretch of the season than Brazil on from last year. Ferrari certainly neck and neck in qualifying, but not race pace in that time frame.

It'd be nice to see max have to drive directly against someone as challenging as an alonso or rosberg on the same team.

Spa was a one-off race that suited the low-drag RB like crazy. Ferrari's single lap pace is better. If you watch lap comparisons, the amount of time they recover in corners against RB's straight line speed is amazing. They're losing races because of front aero/suspension settings or balance of the car under heavy fuel load. You'll notice Ferrari gets into tire temperature range instantly but burns out fast. RB doesn't get into the temps as fast but sustains it once it does. That's why the RB is so good on soft tires. The Ferrari is a much better handling car in the corners overall and if you negate reliability, it's probably the strongest engine on the grid.

I'm pretty sure Alonso has already made statements about Verstappen's greatness and let's be serious, the majority of Lewis' run was with weaker teamates and he lost to Nico even though I think Lewis is the better driver. Nico just did everything he had to that season. 2016 is one of my favorite seasons.

[E86Z4MC]

Originally Posted by NYG

Spa was a one-off race that suited the low-drag RB like crazy. Ferrari's single lap pace is better. If you watch lap comparisons, the amount of time they recover in corners against RB's straight line speed is amazing. They're losing races because of front aero/suspension settings or balance of the car under heavy fuel load. You'll notice Ferrari gets into tire temperature range instantly but burns out fast. RB doesn't get into the temps as fast but sustains it once it does. That's why the RB is so good on soft tires. The Ferrari is a much better handling car in the corners overall and if you negate reliability, it's probably the strongest engine on the grid.

I'm pretty sure Alonso has already made statements about Verstappen's greatness and let's be serious, the majority of Lewis' run was with weaker teamates and he lost to Nico even though I think Lewis is the better driver. Nico just did everything he had to that season. 2016 is one of my favorite seasons.

Agree that Ferrari deg is terrible. Also not discounting Max talent. But also will say, Lewis' strongest teammates are a good amount stronger than any Max has had to contend with.

[Jbrown7403]

Really fun race yesterday! 20 degrees cooler and it would have been a perfect day!

When Alonso went nose up, I thought of Webber in 1999. I shudder to think how bad it could have been if he had flipped and landed in the infield.

[NYG]

Originally Posted by E86Z4MC

Agree that Ferrari deg is terrible. Also not discounting Max talent. But also will say, Lewis' strongest teammates are a good amount stronger than any Max has had to contend with.

As far as Alonso goes, for sure but to be fair - he may not be good now but Danny Ric beat Vettel at Red Bull. Max beat Danny Ric.