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      09-18-2018, 09:36 AM   #155
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Another thing.
If she declines the offer to testify, hoist another red flag. I'm thinking she will pass, claiming emotional trauma or the like...30 years later.
Not saying either one of them is this or that but he's saying let's go, I'm ready and if she says I can't do it, well, there's a problemo.
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      09-18-2018, 09:39 AM   #156
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Thanks. Admittedly have been a bit unplugged the last week; too much going on at work.

Well, round that guy up for the 24th too. I like Gonzo's suggestion: Get them all in the same room at the same time and sort this sh*t out. It's what I do with my employees who cant get along and are giving me conflicting stories.
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      09-18-2018, 10:29 AM   #157
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Kavanaugh is playing this all wrong. Instead of denying sexual exploits, he should brag them up like Trump did.

Hey, it works! Right?
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I do believe one person, who was there, has come out to say it never happened.
Yeah and this guy happened to write a book about Gen X and in it, he describes his life in high school. In it he describes excessive drinking, crazy parties, etc. and a guy by the last name of Kavanaugh getting loaded and puking in his car. He also embraced the quote “Certain women should be struck regularly, like gongs.” in his yearbook page. He's also authored quite a few articles about calling Obama a woman, articles with racial and anti homosexual and feminist undertones. You can't make this stuff up. LOL
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      09-18-2018, 11:48 AM   #159
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claiming emotional trauma or the like...30 years later.
It's been 35 years since a male teacher did something inappropriate to me. It doesn't get any easier to deal with that trauma, other than hoping he has already passed and met his maker.

I failed other students by not saying something, but were I to see his name as running for office, I would have a second chance to stand up and say it was wrong.

I can't say that I would be able to rip that bandage off that wound, even now.
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      09-18-2018, 11:49 AM   #160
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I thought the man is presumed innocent......but that might not apply to his cysgender white male privilege 0.o
Kidding aside, I don't see this a a Man's or Woman's point of view, it's great that the US , the country where I immigrated too, has this amazing system where you still need PROOF in a court of law
Ill save my judgement until the accused is found responsible
until then, ill give the accused the benefit of the doubt
same benefit I would gladly give to Asia Argento
He is/should be presumed innocent. That’s why this needs to be investigated by the FBI as the democrats have requested. Unfortunately, trump, having nominated Kavanaugh, is the only one who can order the investigation. Ain’t gonna happen. And the republicans on the judiciary committee, 11 white men over 55, are in a rush to get this done before the November elections (they see what all of you who talk about trump’s second term don’t see). So without a formal investigation the result of Monday’s hearing is a foregone conclusion. Orin Hatch has already said he’ll vote to confirm regardless of what Prof Ford says.
FBI? Please tell me what federal law was allegedly broken.
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      09-18-2018, 12:24 PM   #161
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this whole thing is a he said she said thing, and when it comes time to put what you are saying on the record and have legal consequences for telling the truth/lying, she wont do it?

i do believe women, especially back in the day, just accepted sexual abuse and didnt report it, but this is pretty iffy.
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      09-18-2018, 12:32 PM   #162
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this whole thing is a he said she said thing, and when it comes time to put what you are saying on the record and have legal consequences for telling the truth/lying, she wont do it?

i do believe women, especially back in the day, just accepted sexual abuse and didnt report it, but this is pretty iffy.
yeah.. and this...

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At least if Senator Collins gets her way. Maybe it's just me - I had bad experiences with quasi-judicial proceedings as a CEO - but I just hate this stuff. One side or the other always seems to get lynched.
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It's been 35 years since a male teacher did something inappropriate to me. It doesn't get any easier to deal with that trauma, other than hoping he has already passed and met his maker.

I failed other students by not saying something, but were I to see his name as running for office, I would have a second chance to stand up and say it was wrong.

I can't say that I would be able to rip that bandage off that wound, even now.
That's a brave thing to share on a public forum, Wede. Thank you for that perspective, sincerely.

Trauma and emotional damage are tricky, strange things that manifest in pretty unexpected ways a lot of the time. My wife deals with similar trauma and it can be a bitch.

Sending nothing but healing, positive vibes your way, buddy!
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      09-18-2018, 08:58 PM   #165
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It's been 35 years since a male teacher did something inappropriate to me. It doesn't get any easier to deal with that trauma, other than hoping he has already passed and met his maker.

I failed other students by not saying something, but were I to see his name as running for office, I would have a second chance to stand up and say it was wrong.

I can't say that I would be able to rip that bandage off that wound, even now.
That's a brave thing to share on a public forum, Wede. Thank you for that perspective, sincerely.

Trauma and emotional damage are tricky, strange things that manifest in pretty unexpected ways a lot of the time. My wife deals with similar trauma and it can be a bitch.

Sending nothing but healing, positive vibes your way, buddy!
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It's been 35 years since a male teacher did something inappropriate to me. It doesn't get any easier to deal with that trauma, other than hoping he has already passed and met his maker.

I failed other students by not saying something, but were I to see his name as running for office, I would have a second chance to stand up and say it was wrong.

I can't say that I would be able to rip that bandage off that wound, even now.
You didn't fail anyone my friend. You handled it the best way you could at the time. No one could expect more of you.
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      09-19-2018, 07:45 AM   #169
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What a complete disaster. I feel for this woman but this ordeal stinks.
Her lawyer is telling the Senate how things should proceed. What?

Not a big Lindsey Graham fan, but he said it best.
"This has been like a drive-by shooting"

Moving along.
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What a complete disaster. I feel for this woman but this ordeal stinks.
Her lawyer is telling the Senate how things should proceed. What?

Not a big Lindsey Graham fan, but he said it best.
"This has been like a drive-by shooting"

Moving along.
I certainly agree with the bolded. A big contribution to the current disaster state was when Congress announced they'd have a hearing on Monday without coordinating with the accuser, IMO.

Further, can Congress or the President direct the FBI to investigate something that isn't under Federal jurisdiction?
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Here is Debra Katz, Mz Ford's attorney and metoomovement spokesperson/attorney, providing learned advice on some of these very issues several years ago:
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Here is Debra Katz, Mz Ford's attorney and metoomovement spokesperson and attorney, providing learned advice on some of these very issues several years ago:
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second accuser has come forward, looks like it's all over now.
I don't get it. It went on for 3 years, she was hopefully of age, and didn't say no because everyone else told her not to... and he is at fault somehow?

We can't just start punishing people for other's mistakes. Her listening to her friends and not saying anything for 3 years is HER FAULT whether that is a popular opinion or not.

If they were not of age and not mature enough to be able to communicate it that is different, but this is likely a grown woman since they didn't mention that (and that would have been a much better headline for them)
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second accuser has come forward, looks like it's all over now.
So this woman that CNN found claims this took place in 1965? Brett Kavanaugh was born February 12, 1965.
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So this woman that CNN found claims this took place in 1965? Brett Kavanaugh was born February 12, 1965.
I can't find any stories at the moment, outside of Reddit, about this 2nd accuser. Searching CNN's site turns up nothing.

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