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      09-13-2021, 12:17 PM   #331
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Yea Hass has written off the whole season and are just praying they luck upon a better car next year.

I don't think anyone at Haas cares to show up for the GPs this year but have to.
Agreed, after two races, Rob Kubica pulls ahead of Mazaspin in the championship.

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Hornet's nest.



This. Had they finished in pre-lunge order, HAM is even. If, based on BOTs pace and track position, we compute HAMs probable finishing position, we are looking at 2nd place or a win. That would have been at least 1 point up and probably as many as 7 points up.

A huge delta.
Although itís a rarely seen, Bottas performance seemed to top Hamilton. 19 places is impressive on Monza. Mercs new PU, in the hands of an unleashed Bottas has been impressive all weekend.
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This isn't over yet . They will crash again !

Cause of the crashes are HAM's dirty tricks ..
Kees: ''No penalty should have been given, it was a racing incident''
https://www.gpblog.com/en/news/94063...is-biased.html
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Kees: ''No penalty should have been given, it was a racing incident''
https://www.gpblog.com/en/news/94063...is-biased.html
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Agreed, no penalty should have been given. But correct me if I am wrong, doesnt etiquette suggest the driver attempting to pass must do so safely?

Not defending either one here but in that regard max probably shouldve ditched the attempt and attacked somewhere else. There was still plenty of racing to be had.

It would be really interesting to see the telemetry of max's car going into that corner versus other passes.
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Given the way penalties have been handed out lately...I think a 3 place grid drop seems fair.
RB will probably combine it with an engine swap and associated grid drop.
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Maxís mechanics must have enjoyed scrapping that out of the aero.
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Someone else reported that as a squirrel. Definitely looks like a large weasel/marmot
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Agreed, no penalty should have been given. But correct me if I am wrong, doesnt etiquette suggest the driver attempting to pass must do so safely?

Not defending either one here but in that regard max probably shouldve ditched the attempt and attacked somewhere else. There was still plenty of racing to be had.

It would be really interesting to see the telemetry of max's car going into that corner versus other passes.
Merc had an advantage at Monza though through Bottas with new engine but Ham would improve with less fuel weight so it may have been Max's only chance which to me was a fair challenge,Ham blocked and both lost.
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Came back to post this. Well said by Randy.
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For everyone saying HAM fans were wrong for cheering VER going into a wall. For everyone upset at Dutch fans cheering HAM having PU issues.

Here is Mclaren screaming with joy that VER and HAM crashed.

https://www.instagram.com/reel/CTw7G...dium=copy_link

I think it's human nature to cheer when the initial instinct is your team or your driver gains an advantage. But this looks terrible in hindsight when you find out the driver is injured/winds up in hospital etc. I'm actually surprised to see them share this knowing how close HAM was to having severe head/neck injury
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For everyone saying HAM fans were wrong for cheering VER going into a wall. For everyone upset at Dutch fans cheering HAM having PU issues.

Here is Mclaren screaming with joy that VER and HAM crashed.

https://www.instagram.com/reel/CTw7G...dium=copy_link

I think it's human nature to cheer when the initial instinct is your team or your driver gains an advantage. But this looks terrible in hindsight when you find out the driver is injured/winds up in hospital etc. I'm actually surprised to see them share this knowing how close HAM was to having severe head/neck injury
I canít seem to find the reference in the post to that being the moment of the crash? Am I missing an important detail?
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For everyone saying HAM fans were wrong for cheering VER going into a wall. For everyone upset at Dutch fans cheering HAM having PU issues.

Here is Mclaren screaming with joy that VER and HAM crashed.

https://www.instagram.com/reel/CTw7G...dium=copy_link

I think it's human nature to cheer when the initial instinct is your team or your driver gains an advantage. But this looks terrible in hindsight when you find out the driver is injured/winds up in hospital etc. I'm actually surprised to see them share this knowing how close HAM was to having severe head/neck injury
I can't seem to find the reference in the post to that being the moment of the crash? Am I missing an important detail?
I remembered seeing it live. If you watch the TV behind them in the garage you can see the crash. That's why you also see some in disbelief covering their face masks with both hands.
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Max knew that Ham was fine as he was attempting to back out his car.

Would have been nice for Max to still say something to Ham along the lines of "are you Okay"?

I'm glad that both of them are okay although I foresee more incidents, I hope there will be no more. For sure this is an exciting championship battle.
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For everyone saying HAM fans were wrong for cheering VER going into a wall. For everyone upset at Dutch fans cheering HAM having PU issues.

Here is Mclaren screaming with joy that VER and HAM crashed.

https://www.instagram.com/reel/CTw7G...dium=copy_link

I think it's human nature to cheer when the initial instinct is your team or your driver gains an advantage. But this looks terrible in hindsight when you find out the driver is injured/winds up in hospital etc. I'm actually surprised to see them share this knowing how close HAM was to having severe head/neck injury
Seems rather nitpicky. They posted this the day after the race, surely if there was more dire results to the drivers they would not have publicized it.
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I remembered seeing it live. If you watch the TV behind them in the garage you can see the crash. That's why you also see some in disbelief covering their face masks with both hands.
In fact, the lady covering her mask which is covering her mouth actually turned away, such was her reaction to the crash. Not a good look for so many.
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For everyone saying HAM fans were wrong for cheering VER going into a wall. For everyone upset at Dutch fans cheering HAM having PU issues.

Here is Mclaren screaming with joy that VER and HAM crashed.

https://www.instagram.com/reel/CTw7G...dium=copy_link

I think it's human nature to cheer when the initial instinct is your team or your driver gains an advantage. But this looks terrible in hindsight when you find out the driver is injured/winds up in hospital etc. I'm actually surprised to see them share this knowing how close HAM was to having severe head/neck injury
Seems rather nitpicky. They posted this the day after the race, surely if there was more dire results to the drivers they would not have publicized it.
I'm pointing out double standards on this board for people that are upset about those that cheer in these sorts of instances. When your competition has problems/issues/accidents… your initial instinct (for many) is to cheer
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I'm pointing out double standards on this board for people that are upset about those that cheer in these sorts of instances. When your competition has problems/issues/accidents… your initial instinct (for many) is to cheer
That's fair. Came in out of left field for a sec there lol.
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I know Daniel sort of addressed the issue after the fact. But… I really really felt sorry for botas not being offered a shoey. Might have declined. But should have been offered up the shoe. Poor Botas. It was uncomfortable to watch. And that was 5 minutes after totally getting dissed by coulthard. Botas is the Rodney dangerfield of F1. No respect at all.
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It's actually more than that...
VERs dirty trick prevented HAM from finishing ahead of him in the race.
So HAM lost more points than VER.
MAX lost at least 75 driver points by HAM's and BOT's dirty tricks .

If it wasn't , HAM's season and his WDC would be already over ...
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As usual Randy Pobst is jumping to conclusions without having all the information...
He says " Can Lewis see you at this point? No, he’s looking the other way at the apex."
But that is not the issue. HAM knew VER was there.
Everyone can verify that because his team told him so over the radio.....TWICE

First when leaving the pits, his team says "it's gonna be tight on exit", and just before steering into the chicane: "Verstappen with you now".
And you can see VER both in the mirror and in the cameraview you see his front wing (so that would porbably have been in his peripheral vision). So when his team said "VER with you now" and HAM really wanted to exactly pinpoint VER position, he could have glanced in his mirror for a fraction of a second even before entering the chicane..

And it's of course doubtful that HAM can enter the exact same chicane and leave enough room for NOR, see @0:13:
(apparently HAM didn't have an issue seeing NOR, but I don't hear Pobst about that)



But apparently not enough room when VER sits in the same position as NOR when entering the chicane. (see @3:03)

So Pobst argument of HAM not seeing VER or not knowing he's there is imho absolute moot.
And HAM&NOR passing next to eachother through the same chicane without NOR being forced on that sausage curb proves that there is enough room for 2 cars in that chicane, unless 1 driver decides not to.

I wonder if HAM decided the right thing colliding with VER, and VER extending his lead by 2 points but having 3 gridplaces penalty.
HAM came right out of the pits with 100% new tyres. In the chicane just after the start, while leaving enough room for NOR, HAM still came out fastest.
So I don't see how this would go different with VER.
So I think HAM made the wrong bet, with both having a good chance coming fastest out of the chicane like what happened with NOR, and coming just from the pit, maybe being faster than VER in general on that first lap so if not faster through that chicane, maybe oppertunity to pass him anyway, being right behind VER.

But eventually we"ll see in Sochi if VER takes a new PU and see the results (I think HAM also still needs to take a new PU)
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