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      08-20-2020, 12:30 PM   #111
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The bigger news is Acura's revision where now the Type S will be "well equipped for low to mid $50k."
Yeah... I was looking at the spec... dot... list and the Type S will for sure have a few options as its missing things that the top TSX version has and doesn't include the $1050 in shipping. Curious to see what they define low to Mid as lol.

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Agree, Japanese reliability isn't what it use to be, although the general public probably just associates Japanese cars more with reliability and quality still even if they no longer are (especially Nissan and Honda).

Mazda is the biggest underdog in the market who I truly root for. Luckily they have Toyota backing them (and they have stake in Mazda) so they'll stick around for a while, but they make some great cars. My son loves them, he has a 6 Signature, and NB Miata, and he bought the wife a CX-9, all excellent cars. A RWD+I6 Mazda6 will be a game changer for sure, I will put my money where my mouth is if everything works out well.
So true.. but that's because they don't really ever push the envelope either on the tech/design front. Look at the Japanese lineup in general... slow evolutions.. bring a good handcrafted knife to a gunfight.

Yeah, my first car was a Mazda Mx6 that was like 20yrs old...

Mazda has always been a brand for drivers.
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The bigger news is Acura's revision where now the Type S will be "well equipped for low to mid $50k."
Ouch, at that price point, I think most people would spend a few grand more for the German prestige and get a M340i or S4. It doesn't even compete well with the G70 which can be had fully loaded for under $50k.
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The bigger news is Acura's revision where now the Type S will be "well equipped for low to mid $50k."
Ouch, at that price point, I think most people would spend a few grand more for the German prestige and get a M340i or S4. It doesn't even compete well with the G70 which can be had fully loaded for under $50k.
We'll have to see what the official price turns out to be, but I've been concerned they're going to price a Type S to compete with a M340i when I think it should be priced to compete with a 330i M Sport. I think Acura is focused on the size difference where it appears this car is larger than a 3 Series. They probably think they'll poach 530i shoppers as slightly smaller and less expensive.
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The bigger news is Acura's revision where now the Type S will be "well equipped for low to mid $50k."
Ouch, at that price point, I think most people would spend a few grand more for the German prestige and get a M340i or S4. It doesn't even compete well with the G70 which can be had fully loaded for under $50k.
We'll have to see what the official price turns out to be, but I've been concerned they're going to price a Type S to compete with a M340i when I think it should be priced to compete with a 330i M Sport. I think Acura is focused on the size difference where it appears this car is larger than a 3 Series. They probably think they'll poach 530i shoppers as slightly smaller and less expensive.
Yeah their pricing strategy isn't the best, they should have followed Genesis with V6 pricing being equivalent to German 4-cylinders. And if they are hoping to steal 5er/E-Class/A6 sales, good luck, those buyers are even more brand/badge-conscious than 3er/C-Class/A4 buyers.
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For 50k pricetag... id expect at least 400hp for the car to be a contender, which would be easy to obtain on a v6-t motor.

...watch it be 340hp lol
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For 50k pricetag... id expect at least 400hp for the car to be a contender, which would be easy to obtain on a v6-t motor.

...watch it be 340hp lol
Its been confirmed at 355hp and 354lb-ft tq.
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For 50k pricetag... id expect at least 400hp for the car to be a contender, which would be easy to obtain on a v6-t motor.

...watch it be 340hp lol
What luxury sport sedans are on the market for 50k and make 400hp?
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Ouch, at that price point, I think most people would spend a few grand more for the German prestige and get a M340i or S4. It doesn't even compete well with the G70 which can be had fully loaded for under $50k.
I see G70 going up in price with the LCI update for 2022- it competes with the class, especially with the new turbo 4 and 6.


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We'll have to see what the official price turns out to be, but I've been concerned they're going to price a Type S to compete with a M340i when I think it should be priced to compete with a 330i M Sport. I think Acura is focused on the size difference where it appears this car is larger than a 3 Series. They probably think they'll poach 530i shoppers as slightly smaller and less expensive.

While the TLX is outside a large car the interior size from what I've seen is not really any bigger than the last-gen at 93.3 vs 93.4 cubic feet interior space. So, to put that in perspective.. the last-gen TLX in just about every interior dimension is smaller than the current-gen M340i and the current M340i is at 94.

For sure they will poach a few 530i shoppers but the 5 is at 99 cubic ft, so a bit more room in the 5.

For reference A4 (92), C-Class (90), G70(94 with a tiny ass trunk), Honda Accord (103).


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What luxury sport sedans are on the market for 50k and make 400hp?
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Just one... Dodge Charger .. but its Merica luxury... with a big ass NA 6.4 liter Mericannn V8.
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It maybe reliable but MEH!
Yeah couldn't have said it any better
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What luxury sport sedans are on the market for 50k and make 400hp?
Q50 redsport 400, sub 50k all day long.
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What luxury sport sedans are on the market for 50k and make 400hp?
Q50 redsport 400, sub 50k all day long.
M340i is mid-$50k... just like the Type S. The difference is the Type S will be better equipped at that price.
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M340i is mid-$50k... just like the Type S. The difference is the Type S will be better equipped at that price.
Except the type S will be a plow monster, understeer into infinity (pun intended ), unless honda finally makes a neutral handling car, but i HIGHLY doubt they will ever do that with all their safety mantras (drove the new type R, my focus ST handled so much more neutral without an LSD), so Q50\BMW\Cadillac etc etc will still handle way better.
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heres a review of the new 2021 tlx aspec shawd, but the 4cyl version, as expected dynamically its not very good.

For arguments sake, the RWD CT4 V series makes 325hp and 380 tq, with a base price of 45k. Comes standard with RWD and LSD, which to me makes it already a better performance sedan out of the box.


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heres a review of the new 2021 tlx aspec shawd, but the 4cyl version, as expected dynamically its not very good.

I'm surprised, most of the other reviews were a lot more glowing.
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I'm surprised, most of the other reviews were a lot more glowing.
I'm not too surprised. I watched some other reviews as well since the embargo lifted, and they all seem to tread very lightly knowing Acura is watching. The Straight Pipes have a big enough following that I trust their assessment over some of the other reviewers (not to mention that they have reviewed most of the competition for comparison).
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Seems really heavy for a FWD based AWD car and not following how it ends up 600 lbs heavier than an Accord. My biggest complaint is I don't want to spend this kind of money for a FWD based and normally driven, poor weight distribution car.

But the larger footprint brings with it that universal enemy of performance: weight. Top-trim TLXs, with the optional SH-AWD will be pushing 4000 pounds; that's more than 300 pounds heavier than a 330i xDrive and some 600 pounds heavier than a Honda Accord.

The battery moves to the rear for the first time in an Acura, shifting a claimed 52 pounds to the tail, while the use of aluminum for the front fenders and shock towers removes 29 pounds from the nose. Acura says the center of gravity shifts 3.4 inches rearward. All-wheel-drive models have a 57/43 percent front/rear weight distribution.
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Car and Driver - https://www.caranddriver.com/reviews...y-the-numbers/

Seems really heavy for a FWD based AWD car and not following how it ends up 600 lbs heavier than an Accord. My biggest complaint is I don't want to spend this kind of money for a FWD based and normally driven, poor weight distribution car.

But the larger footprint brings with it that universal enemy of performance: weight. Top-trim TLXs, with the optional SH-AWD will be pushing 4000 pounds; that's more than 300 pounds heavier than a 330i xDrive and some 600 pounds heavier than a Honda Accord.

The battery moves to the rear for the first time in an Acura, shifting a claimed 52 pounds to the tail, while the use of aluminum for the front fenders and shock towers removes 29 pounds from the nose. Acura says the center of gravity shifts 3.4 inches rearward. All-wheel-drive models have a 57/43 percent front/rear weight distribution.
Yikes that's worse than i thought. I guess its competing more with 5 series now.
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Yikes that's worse than i thought. I guess its competing more with 5 series now.
Except it has very similar leg and cargo room as a 3 series or Audi A4. It's basically a bigger car for no reason.
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seems like they missed the mark. car looks nice though. i'd imagine most buyers will be people who got a pay raise and want to stay in the honda family. trading in accords to move up to the tlx.

but i can't imagine anyone picking this over a is350 or the upcoming is500 if they want a Japanese car.
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seems like they missed the mark. car looks nice though. i'd imagine most buyers will be people who got a pay raise and want to stay in the honda family. trading in accords to move up to the tlx.

but i can't imagine anyone picking this over a is350 or the upcoming is500 if they want a Japanese car.
The IS is still ancient inside isn't it?
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