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I think that range anxiety, or more accurately time to recharge anxiety can be addressed then EV's will be more attractive, however I think that the extinction of the ICE is a long way out. |
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08-27-2016, 07:57 AM | #91 | |
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If you live in the burbs, owning an EV as your single car has range limitations with it. These are some of the reasons why electric cars have a small market share.
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08-27-2016, 07:59 AM | #92 | |
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Side story; I had a Model X ordered options around 175 CAN. The car is still scheduled for mid sept delivery however I don't think I am ready to pay for such an expensive, practical car. Call me immature but I feel a pragmatic car is generally more affordable. metal barriers
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08-27-2016, 10:29 AM | #93 |
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Some people just hate so much that there is an EV car on the market that has usable battery density and range. They swore and cussed up and down when manufacturers tried to come out with ~100 mile range EVs, saying that it would never work, but now that they are in the usable range where they'd suit the range needs of most people? These negative people are bitter and hateful. This is the future, or at least a big part of it that will be here from now on. Even Porsche and Mclaren know that for the maximum performance, you need an at least partly-electric vehicle, because nothing recaptures braking energy and allows you to slingshot out of a curve/deacceleration like electric generators and motors.
How many people drive 300 miles each way every day? Very very few, almost no one. With the range and ability of the modern Tesla, it's in the viable arena. I see them driving around here in winter, snow, ice and everything. I see them in the mountains down south. I see them in the cities. I see them pretty much everywhere. Why? I'm going to go out on a limb and say it's because it works. I know, this won't dispel the hate, the people that think what they've experienced is the best anything is ever going to be, but I'm glad they are making these inroads and taking hold. More efficient than an ICE and the beauty is they don't care what kind of fuel is used at the power station, natural gas, coal, hydroelectric, geothermal, wind, nuclear fusion, fission, etc...
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08-27-2016, 11:09 AM | #94 |
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Love the technology. Really good. Would not think twice about an electric car. But don't like the way Teslas look and not a fan of those interiors. Get me a X5 40e with a range of 50 miles and you just covered 95% of my driving.
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08-27-2016, 01:38 PM | #95 |
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I drive 300 miles daily each way 5 days a week sometimes. That said if electrics want to have an impact, they need to be 30k cars that are the equivalent or a camry, accordd, etc and gas stations need to have an electric charging station or there needs to be the equivalent umber of charging locations as gas stations. They also need to make them more reliable. My 335 is a pillar of reliability next to a tesla. And that conumerous reports, not me saying that. Finally they need to broaden the product range to include SUVs and pickups. Then it becomes a force to be recunded with.
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It typically takes 4 hours to drive a 300 miles distance. Unless you don't eat, pee, or stretch your legs (which would be unsafe), you are going to have to take a break. Difference is with gas you fuel for 5 minutes, park away from the gas pump (another 5 minutes), then you go buy some food and stretch your legs (15 minutes if you eat fast and don't wait in lines for a cashier). At a supercharger you plug in 10 seconds and walk away. You may end up spending less time overal than at a gas station.
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08-27-2016, 06:51 PM | #98 |
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Nope. Orlando to miami one day. Orlando to marco island the next. Etc. That's 500+ each. Add in driving around when I get there. Some days I drive 10 hours with stops at 85 mph.
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08-28-2016, 01:47 AM | #99 |
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I would kill myself if I spent that much time in a car every week.
Also, turns out Orlando to Miami is only 236 miles.
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According to Car and Driver, Nürburgring Nordschleife "record-chasing runs are a universally accepted, objective measure of a car’s performance, and shaving seconds gives automakers reasons to grab some headlines."
Ok, what does the "P" stand for? Performance? Tesla's "performance" models are so named apparently only the differentiate models within their own offerings. A P100D and any Tesla for that matter lacks stamina and will fail miserably under constant acceleration. Basically most sports sedans, or any BMW will demolish a Tesla around a track such as the Nurburgring. The non-competitive Tesla will simply overheat. Inefficient electronics and/or an insufficient thermal management system are still big problems for EVs. |
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Handling is fantastic for a 4600lb car. For example, it'll do .90g on the skid pad. The 3500lb i8 does .93g. So poor handling is not what's holding it back as much as it going into limp mode after only a few minutes! If Tesla figures out how to maintain battery temps for the whole track, it'll be a whole new ballgame.
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EVs suck and regarding Tesla's PD10000 whatever: Kill it! Kill it with fire before it lays eggs! |
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Someone took Model S to the ring. They did a 10 min bridge to gantry lap, so not a full lap. Anyways, the car went into a reduced power mode about 3 minutes in due to excess battery heat.
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