G35 agressive approach

DFW_M · 11-21-2006, 06:01 AM

I know this has been and will be further discussed, but just a quick look at the 335 closest competitor tells me that Infiniti will have the edge over the Bimmer because of HUGE savings:
Similarly (I would say almost identically) equipped G35, 6SP Sport is $9,120 less expensive (MSRP) than the 335 (both sedans). G35 = $35,300; 335i (Sedan) = $44,420.

Quick look at the specs shows that the G35 also comes with the aluminum pedals, short throw stick shift (important!), convenience package, NO RFTs.

Of course, the 335 comes with the badge, twin turbos (could be negative thing in a long run), I'd expect more solid feel, for me it looks better (but that is subjective), better stock stereo.

From reading the reviews, I can see that the handling is very close, still Bimmer has the slight edge.

We don't know the performance numbers of the new G, but I'd expect them to be close to the 335 numbers as they always have been.

So, how do you justify spending extra $9k for the 335?

Zirenz2006 · 11-21-2006, 06:14 AM

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Originally Posted by dr325i

So, how do you justify spending extra $9k for the 335?

That would be an easy one for me. It isn't a G35.

German only for me plus I hate the styling of the G35 and almost every other Japanese car, especially Lexus.

MrSilver · 11-21-2006, 06:14 AM

I ran into a G35 sedan last night. The guy was driving like a maniac during rush hour in heavy traffic. He wanted to blow me away at a light, but I just stuck on his bumper for about a mile until I backed off because, well, driving 100+ in heavy traffic just ain't that smart, and the adult in me took over, and because cops are everywhere on the road we were driving.

In any event, I was suprised by the speed of the G35, but never felt like the 335 was outmatched, although admittedly, I backed off, and he pulled away.

DFW_M · 11-21-2006, 06:18 AM

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Originally Posted by MrSilver

I ran into a G35 sedan last night. The guy was driving like a maniac during rush hour in heavy traffic. He wanted to blow me away at a light, but I just stuck on his bumper for about a mile until I backed off because, well, driving 100+ in heavy traffic just ain't that smart, and the adult in me took over, and because cops are everywhere on the road we were driving.

In any event, I was suprised by the speed of the G35, but never felt like the 335 was outmatched, although admittedly, I backed off, and he pulled away.

Was that the new (2007) G35 or the previous one?
Don't speed, I just got the ticket last night 83 on 60...

RiXst3r · 11-21-2006, 06:57 AM

I did the exact same comparison less than a year ago, and i made the wrong choice...

I had a g35 for 6 months, it sucked ass... I hated that car in so many ways. Sounded like a tin can in the rain, seats were very uncomfortable, interior felt and looked like a nissan, and the sound system sucked... not to mention i had transmission problems, and electronic issues (one of my headlights kept going out!). I had to take a partial hit just to get rid of it!

everything about my 335 is better and tottally worth it! It feels like a solid german car, it drives better, its very comfortable, logic7 audio is the best sound system i have ever had, and no issues so far! the car rocks!

SP330 · 11-21-2006, 07:00 AM

The G35 styling doesnt do it for me. And with all the lease deals and whatnot it's not that much of a difference. However, if it was 07 g35 vs 330 then the G would be the clear victor imo.

ghost6 · 11-21-2006, 07:19 AM

The G35 is an awesome car in my opinion. I had an 05 6MT Coupe and I absolutely loved it. Good power, great looks, great reliability, and excellent re-sale. You certainly can't go wrong with buying a G. However, it lacks a certain undefinable quality. BMW has an ability to engineer in a feel that's not present in most cars. Maybe it's purely psychological, but there is a reason that a BMW wins almost every comparo ever done.

bronco · 11-21-2006, 07:25 AM

Will see what will Nissan do with the 2008 G35 Coupe MT...I hope they put SC or Turbo in it...Ohhhh boy, if they do that....

treublue · 11-21-2006, 07:41 AM

I bought a e92 as well. I really wanted the 08 G35 coupe but just couldn't wait a year.

Anyone who hates japanese looking cars. Have you looked at the back/rear of the E92 lately?

RiXst3r · 11-21-2006, 07:48 AM

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Originally Posted by treublue

Anyone who hates japanese looking cars. Have you looked at the back/rear of the E92 lately?

Yes, I look at it every day, your point?

MrSilver · 11-21-2006, 07:53 AM

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Originally Posted by dr325i

Was that the new (2007) G35 or the previous one?
Don't speed, I just got the ticket last night 83 on 60...

I'm 99% sure it was the 2007. The 306 hp one.

Fast car. It was a bit surprised how quick it was.

That being said, he could not pull away from me until I backed off.

If anything, I took it easy because I was not expecting the G35 to be as quick as it is. Needless to say it is quick, but I kept up with it without going past 6K rpms.

kingjod123 · 11-21-2006, 07:59 AM

I test drove both and IMHO the G35 felt like a hog compared to the BMW. Very heavy and slow compared to the whip I got from the 335i sedan and coupe (tested them both).

Did not care for the G35 interior either - cheaper looking leather and so many gizmos on the dash. I prefer the cleaner look and ergonomic appeal of the Idrive system.

That said, my opinions are obviuosly just that - mine. If you weigh the benfits and costs,and prefer to go for a G - have fun with it!

Zeroday · 11-21-2006, 08:00 AM

You get what you pay for. I can't stand g35's. They look and feel cheap to me. I would probably get one over a 325 though since being overtaken by minivans isn't my thing.

edit: forgot to mention that i think the g35 sedan is horrid looking. hopefully the new coupe looks better.

sdiver68 · 11-21-2006, 08:02 AM

335 = easy mod ability, better handling, "gold standard" benchmark status, more nimble size, more power despite the about = ratings

2007+ G35 = better interior, more interior room (competes with the 5 series in terms of interior room), better quality by all objective ratings, available LSD, better stock wheels imho, no brake dust

For me, the exhaust and chip to 400 HP is the deciding factor, but if not I'd be very tempted to buy a G35 Sport if I was trying to hit a price point.

signed,
a current infiniti, past and future BMW owner

picus · 11-21-2006, 08:10 AM

I've owned two G35's, a coupe and a sedan; I've also driven the new '07 a few times. As I've mentioned on the G35 boards, these cars drive too differently to compare based on price and features alone. Drive them both and if you don't have a clear preference I would be surprised. I chose the 335i over the '07G35 because as good a value as the G is (and it really is), it is, imo, built to cater to an entirely different driver/lifestyle.

If you want to get technical/talk features - the G35 is packed with technology for a way better price, no question. In terms of drivetrain, the engine they're using is just a re-hashed VQ, which is a 12 year old engine. No direct injection, relatively poor gas mileage, relies on displacement and high revs... it doesn't reach it's peak until over 5000rpm; frankly I think it's at the end of it's lifecycle. I wouldn't be surprised if the '08 G35 coupe has a 3.7l version, then they finally ditch it. Don't get me wrong, the VQ and all it's iterations have been great, but at this point it's just long in the tooth. In terms of suspension, the '07G35 isn't heavier than the 335i, but it is bigger and you feel it. It feels almost like a 5-series. Cheers.

One last thing to think about is re-sale/residual. I would not be at all surprised if 335i monthly lease prices are only a few dollars higher than '07G35s due to their better residual value and better money factor.

MrSilver · 11-21-2006, 08:25 AM

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Originally Posted by NaViT

ohh ok thats the part that worried me, but ur RPM part cleared it up..
lol the guy was prolly happy though thinking he was victorious...

There was just too much traffic for me to be driving 100+ mph.

As I have gotten older I have very much gotten in touch with my own mortality (and have respect for the lives of others). Not to mention the fact that my Fiance would kill me if I killed myself racing an Infinity.

In any event, the car looked like just another piece of suped up jap plastic with dark tinted windows and big tires.

Not my cup of tea.

sflgator · 11-21-2006, 08:57 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by dr325i

I know this has been and will be further discussed, but just a quick look at the 335 closest competitor tells me that Infiniti will have the edge over the Bimmer because of HUGE savings:
Similarly (I would say almost identically) equipped G35, 6SP Sport is $9,120 less expensive (MSRP) than the 335 (both sedans). G35 = $35,300; 335i (Sedan) = $44,420.

Quick look at the specs shows that the G35 also comes with the aluminum pedals, short throw stick shift (important!), convenience package, NO RFTs.

Of course, the 335 comes with the badge, twin turbos (could be negative thing in a long run), I'd expect more solid feel, for me it looks better (but that is subjective), better stock stereo.

From reading the reviews, I can see that the handling is very close, still Bimmer has the slight edge.

We don't know the performance numbers of the new G, but I'd expect them to be close to the 335 numbers as they always have been.

So, how do you justify spending extra $9k for the 335?

First off, please know that I came from driving a modded and loaded '04 Infiniti G35 Sedan and a loaded '03 Infiniti FX35. I posted part of this response in another '07 G35 thread a while back...

The '07 G35 is much improved over the previous model...they improved the ext. styling (except for that chrome lip on the trunk...what's that about?

) and they improved the engine. The car definitely feels faster than before, but the HP/TQ still isn't nearly up to par with the BMW 335i's 300+ (more like 330HP/330TQ stock as the independent tests show!!!). I do like the G35's interior better than the 335i; it's definitely much improved...very futuristic and it seems to really wrap around you. The 335i's interior is more old-school BMW, but not bad by any means.

With that said, I just couldn't deal with the G35's tranny (which apparently wasn't upgraded at all)...it still "bangs" into gear using MM shifting (paddles or gear shifter) and it STILL has the old MM upshift delay (~1/2 sec.). The 335i on the other hand has the "quickest and the slickest" Auto/MM tranny I've ever experienced. It's soooo smooth and the shifts are lightning fast...I love that! In addition, the 335i handles like a big go-cart on rails; the '07 G35 although improved in its handling and driving feel, just doesn't compare with the 335i. Also, the G35's brakes used to be very good; on the '07 G35, Infiniti changed them to be too spongy.

Oh, and one more thing, Infiniti gave the '07 G35S Sedan ugly wheels, imho, while the BMW 335i w/ Sport package has nice, wide 5 star type wheels.

IMHO, the '07 G35 is still the best bang for your buck in this car category...you get a lot of high-tech gagets and the performance and styling very close! However, when you compare apples to apples, the question of whether the '07 BMW 335i is worth $7k-$9k more than the '07 Infiniti G35 Sedan is subjective. In my case, the BMW 335i Coupe is about $9k more than a loaded '07 G35 Sedan, and well worth, imho!

There's your justification for the extra $9k for the BMW 335i!!!

ward · 11-21-2006, 09:01 AM

porsche cayman S costs 10-15 grand more than an M coupe

much like the 3 is more than a G35,is350......

people are willing to pay more because there are tangible differences in performance/style/resale.

if the G35 was as good of a car, why wouldn't they price it as such? Nissan's out to make money too right?

wj4 · 11-21-2006, 09:14 AM

the g35coupe is a nice car for what it is...but if you are getting it to make power, boy you chose the wrong car. The car doesn't respond well to bolt on mods at all. And to turbo it, you need to have the engine rebuilt so it can support the boost.
The car feels much more slower and less superior than a 335i in every aspect.

I have several friends who cannot wait to get rid of their g35's because of the minor problems, ie stock cd player keeps going out and rattling stereo.

Zirenz2006 · 11-21-2006, 09:18 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by treublue

I bought a e92 as well. I really wanted the 08 G35 coupe but just couldn't wait a year.

Anyone who hates japanese looking cars. Have you looked at the back/rear of the E92 lately?

Yes I have. I happen to love it. I have never liked Japanese styling of any car. JMHO.

thd13 · 11-21-2006, 09:33 AM

As much as I love BMW and everything associated with it, I still can't wait to see the new production G Coupe. It looks so sleek and sexy. I'm sure with all of the complaints that Nissan received on the 1st Gen G35, they will spruce up their 2nd Gen, addressing issues and problems.

toolfan · 11-21-2006, 10:11 AM

The problem with the G35 is the fact that it turns to cheap plastic, fast!! After about 30,000 miles, they start to rattle, the leather feels like plastic and the plastic inside seems to wear really fast. Now, if you drive a BMW that is like a 1999 with 115,000 miles on it, it feels better than a 30,000 mile infiniti. The problem is with these japanese cars are everyone is a lot of people go into them because they save $3000, but it the long run they are unhappy and they are all coming back to BMW. I know this because I hear my clients complain everyday about their japanese cars.

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DFW_M Major General 1670 Rep 6,585 Posts Drives: Macan GTS Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Dallas, TX iTrader: (4)	G35 agressive approach I know this has been and will be further discussed, but just a quick look at the 335 closest competitor tells me that Infiniti will have the edge over the Bimmer because of HUGE savings: Similarly (I would say almost identically) equipped G35, 6SP Sport is $9,120 less expensive (MSRP) than the 335 (both sedans). G35 = $35,300; 335i (Sedan) = $44,420. Quick look at the specs shows that the G35 also comes with the aluminum pedals, short throw stick shift (important!), convenience package, NO RFTs. Of course, the 335 comes with the badge, twin turbos (could be negative thing in a long run), I'd expect more solid feel, for me it looks better (but that is subjective), better stock stereo. From reading the reviews, I can see that the handling is very close, still Bimmer has the slight edge. We don't know the performance numbers of the new G, but I'd expect them to be close to the 335 numbers as they always have been. So, how do you justify spending extra $9k for the 335?
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MrSilver Judge Advocate General 99 Rep 1,128 Posts Drives: e92 335i Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Buffalo, New York iTrader: (0) Garage List 2007 e92 335i [0.00]	I ran into a G35 sedan last night. The guy was driving like a maniac during rush hour in heavy traffic. He wanted to blow me away at a light, but I just stuck on his bumper for about a mile until I backed off because, well, driving 100+ in heavy traffic just ain't that smart, and the adult in me took over, and because cops are everywhere on the road we were driving. In any event, I was suprised by the speed of the G35, but never felt like the 335 was outmatched, although admittedly, I backed off, and he pulled away. __________________ '07 E92 335i "Over-Heating" and "Blowing Up" since 9-5-06 6MT, Space Gray, Gray w/ Dakota Leather, Dark Burl, ZSP, ZPP, ZCW Comfort Access, Sirius Satellite (Howard is not optional) '07 X3 3.0si - Black on Black, ZPP, ZCW, Step. - Wife's car
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RiXst3r 273 Rep 6,510 Posts Drives: M235i Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Ohio iTrader: (14)	I did the exact same comparison less than a year ago, and i made the wrong choice... I had a g35 for 6 months, it sucked ass... I hated that car in so many ways. Sounded like a tin can in the rain, seats were very uncomfortable, interior felt and looked like a nissan, and the sound system sucked... not to mention i had transmission problems, and electronic issues (one of my headlights kept going out!). I had to take a partial hit just to get rid of it! everything about my 335 is better and tottally worth it! It feels like a solid german car, it drives better, its very comfortable, logic7 audio is the best sound system i have ever had, and no issues so far! the car rocks!
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SP330 Lieutenant 18 Rep 569 Posts Drives: 19 M5 Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: PA iTrader: (0)	The G35 styling doesnt do it for me. And with all the lease deals and whatnot it's not that much of a difference. However, if it was 07 g35 vs 330 then the G would be the clear victor imo.
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ghost6 New Member 7 Rep 13 Posts Drives: 135i (Orderd) Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Germany iTrader: (0)	The G35 is an awesome car in my opinion. I had an 05 6MT Coupe and I absolutely loved it. Good power, great looks, great reliability, and excellent re-sale. You certainly can't go wrong with buying a G. However, it lacks a certain undefinable quality. BMW has an ability to engineer in a feel that's not present in most cars. Maybe it's purely psychological, but there is a reason that a BMW wins almost every comparo ever done.
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bronco Colonel 76 Rep 2,104 Posts Drives: e92 Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Atlanta iTrader: (0)	Will see what will Nissan do with the 2008 G35 Coupe MT...I hope they put SC or Turbo in it...Ohhhh boy, if they do that.... __________________ SaaS - The world of tomorrow is already here...www.saaschronicles.com
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treublue First Lieutenant 20 Rep 377 Posts Drives: E92 Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Alberta iTrader: (0)	I bought a e92 as well. I really wanted the 08 G35 coupe but just couldn't wait a year. Anyone who hates japanese looking cars. Have you looked at the back/rear of the E92 lately?
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kingjod123 Installing an Air Cooler 7 Rep 225 Posts Drives: 335i Sedan Black Sapphire Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: NJ iTrader: (0)	I test drove both and IMHO the G35 felt like a hog compared to the BMW. Very heavy and slow compared to the whip I got from the 335i sedan and coupe (tested them both). Did not care for the G35 interior either - cheaper looking leather and so many gizmos on the dash. I prefer the cleaner look and ergonomic appeal of the Idrive system. That said, my opinions are obviuosly just that - mine. If you weigh the benfits and costs,and prefer to go for a G - have fun with it!
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Zeroday Colonel 46 Rep 2,350 Posts Drives: Plymouth Volare Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: your nerves iTrader: (0)	You get what you pay for. I can't stand g35's. They look and feel cheap to me. I would probably get one over a 325 though since being overtaken by minivans isn't my thing. edit: forgot to mention that i think the g35 sedan is horrid looking. hopefully the new coupe looks better.
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sdiver68 Expert Road Racer 59 Rep 1,329 Posts Drives: 07 335i e90, 09 335i e93 Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: St. Louis, MO iTrader: (3)	335 = easy mod ability, better handling, "gold standard" benchmark status, more nimble size, more power despite the about = ratings 2007+ G35 = better interior, more interior room (competes with the 5 series in terms of interior room), better quality by all objective ratings, available LSD, better stock wheels imho, no brake dust For me, the exhaust and chip to 400 HP is the deciding factor, but if not I'd be very tempted to buy a G35 Sport if I was trying to hit a price point. signed, a current infiniti, past and future BMW owner
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picus Brigadier General 124 Rep 4,172 Posts Drives: e92 SG 335i Coupe Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Toronto, ON iTrader: (0)	I've owned two G35's, a coupe and a sedan; I've also driven the new '07 a few times. As I've mentioned on the G35 boards, these cars drive too differently to compare based on price and features alone. Drive them both and if you don't have a clear preference I would be surprised. I chose the 335i over the '07G35 because as good a value as the G is (and it really is), it is, imo, built to cater to an entirely different driver/lifestyle. If you want to get technical/talk features - the G35 is packed with technology for a way better price, no question. In terms of drivetrain, the engine they're using is just a re-hashed VQ, which is a 12 year old engine. No direct injection, relatively poor gas mileage, relies on displacement and high revs... it doesn't reach it's peak until over 5000rpm; frankly I think it's at the end of it's lifecycle. I wouldn't be surprised if the '08 G35 coupe has a 3.7l version, then they finally ditch it. Don't get me wrong, the VQ and all it's iterations have been great, but at this point it's just long in the tooth. In terms of suspension, the '07G35 isn't heavier than the 335i, but it is bigger and you feel it. It feels almost like a 5-series. Cheers. One last thing to think about is re-sale/residual. I would not be at all surprised if 335i monthly lease prices are only a few dollars higher than '07G35s due to their better residual value and better money factor.
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ward Major General 155 Rep 6,158 Posts Drives: F Join Date: May 2005 Location: T iTrader: (0)	porsche cayman S costs 10-15 grand more than an M coupe much like the 3 is more than a G35,is350...... people are willing to pay more because there are tangible differences in performance/style/resale. if the G35 was as good of a car, why wouldn't they price it as such? Nissan's out to make money too right?
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wj4 Major General 335 Rep 7,719 Posts Drives: E90 manual 335i Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Burbank, CA iTrader: (8)	the g35coupe is a nice car for what it is...but if you are getting it to make power, boy you chose the wrong car. The car doesn't respond well to bolt on mods at all. And to turbo it, you need to have the engine rebuilt so it can support the boost. The car feels much more slower and less superior than a 335i in every aspect. I have several friends who cannot wait to get rid of their g35's because of the minor problems, ie stock cd player keeps going out and rattling stereo.
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toolfan Banned 21 Rep 455 Posts Drives: E90 335i sedan Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: Palatine,IL iTrader: (1)	The problem with the G35 is the fact that it turns to cheap plastic, fast!! After about 30,000 miles, they start to rattle, the leather feels like plastic and the plastic inside seems to wear really fast. Now, if you drive a BMW that is like a 1999 with 115,000 miles on it, it feels better than a 30,000 mile infiniti. The problem is with these japanese cars are everyone is a lot of people go into them because they save $3000, but it the long run they are unhappy and they are all coming back to BMW. I know this because I hear my clients complain everyday about their japanese cars.
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