Sat in the 2016 Camaro SS today

[RM7]

Yes, I admit, if you trick out a Porsche Panamera interior, getting into the 150K realm, the interior is "much better". Your 3-series based interior is not any better than the camaro, in some ways, worse. Radio function on the steering wheel was a little better on the camaro IMO, center-cluster with displayed digital speed (also has heads up) is better than BMWs IMO, just that one feature makes it better. Heated seats, about the same. BMW climate control? Stinks, sorry, that feature wants to turn on the A/C all the time, in the winter, when it's cold. I understand when defrosting the window, but I'm talking all the time. Interior lighting? About the same, there isn't as much to light in the camaro, so not as many interior lights, but has some nice ambiance lighting on the door panels. Plastic? Yeah, they both have plastic, lots of it. Really, about the only thing that isn't plastic in your BMW are the seats, a couple other small things like gear-shiftier and steering wheel, so pretty much the same here. Seat support? About the same. People rave about these 3-series sports seats, but I don't know what the fuss is about, they ain't all that, decent? Sure. Magic-fairy dust porsche-recaro-good? Not even close. Gearbox? In the camaro its "right there", so easy and quick, but at the same time substantial and beefy, makes my wrx seem like a toy. Because you sit low in the camaro with the drivetrain relatively high, your arm rests in a very nice position for the gear changes.

Maybe it's the chevy symbol that gives you so much trouble, as the car is pulling more than 1G lateral?

[Mingwan]

Nice car, visibility is shit, though.

[Chez]

Originally Posted by wjones14

Actually, we do know what you've owned and driven. Let's see, you own a 2016 M4, black with orange leather, automatic, ... and you've driven a few Mustangs, Camaros, Challengers, and Chargers.

The only reason I called you out on it was your comment about modern muscle cars going fast in a straight line. When you make that comment, it implies they can't do anything else.

We'll know soon enough what the Camaro can do other than go fast in a straight line, in upcoming Head2Head against the 2016 M4. The results should be posted in another week, and we'll see what Randy P. and the other pros say about both cars. Maybe you'll be proven correct.

No. You know SOME of what I've driven, owned and own, in the very limited context of this thread, as I said. The M4 is one of the cars I currently own, yes.

Also, as I said, I made more comments than just the 'straight line' one. Based on my personal experience. So there's nothing to "call me out" on really. Thanks for coming.

[Chez]

Originally Posted by JamesNoBrakes

Yes, I admit, if you trick out a Porsche Panamera interior, getting into the 150K realm, the interior is "much better". Your 3-series based interior is not any better than the camaro, in some ways, worse. Radio function on the steering wheel was a little better on the camaro IMO, center-cluster with displayed digital speed (also has heads up) is better than BMWs IMO, just that one feature makes it better. Heated seats, about the same. BMW climate control? Stinks, sorry, that feature wants to turn on the A/C all the time, in the winter, when it's cold. I understand when defrosting the window, but I'm talking all the time. Interior lighting? About the same, there isn't as much to light in the camaro, so not as many interior lights, but has some nice ambiance lighting on the door panels. Plastic? Yeah, they both have plastic, lots of it. Really, about the only thing that isn't plastic in your BMW are the seats, a couple other small things like gear-shiftier and steering wheel, so pretty much the same here. Seat support? About the same. People rave about these 3-series sports seats, but I don't know what the fuss is about, they ain't all that, decent? Sure. Magic-fairy dust porsche-recaro-good? Not even close. Gearbox? In the camaro its "right there", so easy and quick, but at the same time substantial and beefy, makes my wrx seem like a toy. Because you sit low in the camaro with the drivetrain relatively high, your arm rests in a very nice position for the gear changes.

Maybe it's the chevy symbol that gives you so much trouble, as the car is pulling more than 1G lateral?

Lots of "IMO" and there's the rub. It's all your opinion, which IMO counts for nothing given that you think a full leather F82 interior is all plastic.

[Rob13567]

Originally Posted by sygazelle

My mistake. Thanks for calling me out. I read it got 16mpg in town which does suck. But the highway mileage is great for a car with that displacement and horsepower.

Just bought one a while back can't wait for the head2head agains the m4 next wednesday I love both cars. also just hit 1000 miles and i'm averaging 20 mpg. i don't really have a problem with visibility out back just use the backup cam, only serious problem i have is the lack of storage and less space than my e92 335i, but the V8, magnetic ride control, dual-mode exhaust make up for it

[lowbudgethero]

Originally Posted by Rob13567

Just bought one a while back can't wait for the head2head agains the m4 next wednesday I love both cars. also just hit 1000 miles and i'm averaging 20 mpg. i don't really have a problem with visibility out back just use the backup cam, only serious problem i have is the lack of storage and less space than my e92 335i, but the V8, magnetic ride control, dual-mode exhaust make up for it

the torque band is very nice, nothing beats a high displacement v8 off the idle plus GM fixed the 2 things i didn't like about the old one: weight and looks

[Rob13567]

Originally Posted by lowbudgethero

the torque band is very nice, nothing beats a high displacement v8 off the idle plus GM fixed the 2 things i didn't like about the old one: weight and looks

same here and they used alot of corvette in making it, but also dont forget the interior!

[aerostar]

Looks nice.

Interior looks crappy and cheap.

[DDD31]

Originally Posted by Rob13567

same here and they used alot of corvette in making it, but also dont forget the interior!

Just curious, does the turn signal lever feel like its going to snap off in your hand? Every time I drive a GM car, I get that feeling and it seems like its been that way since the 70's. I tried the lever on many different GM cars at this years Detroit auto show and they all felt like that (including all of the Cadillacs, I didn't sit in the new Camaro or Corvette though). That feeling about the turn signal lever just drives me crazy.

Congrats on the car, seems like a real beast!

[sygazelle]

Originally Posted by Rob13567

Just bought one a while back can't wait for the head2head agains the m4 next wednesday I love both cars. also just hit 1000 miles and i'm averaging 20 mpg. i don't really have a problem with visibility out back just use the backup cam, only serious problem i have is the lack of storage and less space than my e92 335i, but the V8, magnetic ride control, dual-mode exhaust make up for it

I'm glad you like your Camaro. 20 mpg does not sound bad for that level of performance. I can't wait to drive one. I don't think it will sway my practical side (4 doors and a good trunk) but who knows I wonder if Chevy plans to build a sports sedan with Camaro SS specs.

Best of luck with your new car. Let us know how it goes with the M4 - be safe.

[Rob13567]

Originally Posted by DDD31

Just curious, does the turn signal lever feel like its going to snap off in your hand? Every time I drive a GM car, I get that feeling and it seems like its been that way since the 70's. I tried the lever on many different GM cars at this years Detroit auto show and they all felt like that (including all of the Cadillacs, I didn't sit in the new Camaro or Corvette though). That feeling about the turn signal lever just drives me crazy.

Congrats on the car, seems like a real beast!

unfortunately yes well to me it does, but it might be because it's brand new when i pull the stalk it feels like it shouldn't be pulled that way. although it doesn't make a cheap craaack sound like other old american vehicles.

Originally Posted by sygazelle

I'm glad you like your Camaro. 20 mpg does not sound bad for that level of performance. I can't wait to drive one. I don't think it will sway my practical side (4 doors and a good trunk) but who knows I wonder if Chevy plans to build a sports sedan with Camaro SS specs.

Best of luck with your new car. Let us know how it goes with the M4 - be safe.

yes 20 mpg in hilly georgia. The trunk is not that big but i never haul around alot of stuff so it doesn't bother me. back seat space sucks( one thing i miss from my e92). the only other option for you might be the ats-v after all it is the same chasis(I hate the gauge cluster in the ats though it looks out of place in the interior)

and thanks guys!

[David70]

Ah the days when BMW is being defended based on the interior quality and visibility out the car, all at close to a 50% price premium.

Used to be everything from weight, handling, build quality, mpg, reliability, and it definitely seems they are getting closer but without getting in the same ballpark on price. My guess is the M4 will win the overall comparison tests as long as price isn't factored in. I am both a BMW and GM product owner.

[Chez]

Originally Posted by David70

Ah the days when BMW is being defended based on the interior quality and visibility out the car, all at a 50% price premium.

Used to be everything from weight, handling, build quality, mpg, reliability, and it definitely seems they are getting closer but without getting in the same ballpark on price. My guess is the M4 will win the overall comparison tests as long as price isn't factored in. I am both a BMW and GM product owner.

If all else was equal, I could never buy a Camaro/Corvette/Challenger/Charger/Mustang based solely on the looks alone.

I find the exteriors of all of them to be really gaudy/garish (with the exception of the new corvette, which looks great from the back) and the interiors look really cheap.

Also, cost isn't always the deciding factor.

Each to their own.

I still don't agree that all else is equal, or even close. But fanboys will be fanboys (on both sides of the argument)

[IndotagSwizz]

Originally Posted by JamesNoBrakes

Posts like this always amuse me.

To fix this, I suggest the Chevy Sonic or Cruz. Great visibility, really gets you "up there".

Otherwise, it's sad you'll never be able to drive an Aston Martin, Jag, Ferrari, Lamborghini, or any low roofline/long front hood type car.

Rear window on my 428GC is almost the exact same size as was on my Camaro SS.

Yes, it doesn't have the best visibility, that's the price you pay for lowering the car, having a low roofline, getting the engine behind the front axle, etc. That's why it's a "sports" car. Compromises.

+1 the whole visibility back window issue is so dumb, my old boy owns a Z3 and a Z4...I had to move the Z4 recently...DO YOU KNOW HOW AWFUL VISIBILITY IS OUT OF ANYWHERE IN THIS CAR???...besides the fact that I'm 5'9'' and I barely fit lol seriously I felt like a sardine in that bit*h

[lowbudgethero]

Originally Posted by DDD31

Just curious, does the turn signal lever feel like its going to snap off in your hand? Every time I drive a GM car, I get that feeling and it seems like its been that way since the 70's. I tried the lever on many different GM cars at this years Detroit auto show and they all felt like that (including all of the Cadillacs, I didn't sit in the new Camaro or Corvette though). That feeling about the turn signal lever just drives me crazy.

Congrats on the car, seems like a real beast!

they feel almost like they took it off my 1999 saab

bmw's clickers feel ok, but the two stage low resistance turn signals for bmws are annoying

Originally Posted by IndotagSwizz

+1 the whole visibility back window issue is so dumb, my old boy owns a Z3 and a Z4...I had to move the Z4 recently...DO YOU KNOW HOW AWFUL VISIBILITY IS OUT OF ANYWHERE IN THIS CAR???...besides the fact that I'm 5'9'' and I barely fit lol seriously I felt like a sardine in that bit*h

the z3's b pillar was directly in my blind spot, you just had to guess since you're pretty much sitting in the trunk

[gtron]

Originally Posted by Mingwan

Nice car, visibility is shit, though.

i bet you would hate to have a lambo!

jk haha

[Never_Enough]

Originally Posted by Chez

If all else was equal, I could never buy a Camaro/Corvette/Challenger/Charger/Mustang based solely on the looks alone.

I find the exteriors of all of them to be really gaudy/garish (with the exception of the new corvette, which looks great from the back) and the interiors look really cheap.

Also, cost isn't always the deciding factor.

Each to their own.

I still don't agree that all else is equal, or even close. But fanboys will be fanboys (on both sides of the argument)

Looks are subjective. Remove that from the discussion.

[Chez]

Originally Posted by BoostedRide

Looks are subjective. Remove that from the discussion.

I can't remove that as that is the over-riding reason I would never buy one. As I clearly stated.

[jaco]

Rob13567,

Your car looks amazing.

I love the new SS.

[wjones14]

Originally Posted by aerostar

Looks nice.

Interior looks crappy and cheap.

The interior is not crappy and cheap. Like I said, I sat in the 2SS with the Ceramic White interior accents - similar to the Adrenaline Red accent in the pic posted by Rob13567 - and didn't think it was cheap or crappy at all. I'm comparing it to the Coral Red interior in my M235i, and really, the dash material felt similar, the leather on the seats felt similar. I was surprised by how nice it was.

[Rob13567]

Originally Posted by jaco

Rob13567,

Your car looks amazing.

I love the new SS.

Thank you sir!

[mikex25]

I was in Maui over the weekend and rented a mustang GT and I must admit it had a lot of bang for its buck. Loved the touch screen and ventilated seats, the interior quality is what surprised me the most.