Sat in the 2016 Camaro SS today

[Nitrousbird]

Originally Posted by Chez

I still don't agree that all else is equal, or even close. But fanboys will be fanboys (on both sides of the argument)

And you are clearly a BMW fanboi.

[kprocivic]

It sounds like the car will be a performance bargain no doubt. But comparing to the m pedigree um nah. Let's be real, Chevy was making the iroc when the e30 m3 was rolling the streets no competition there. 30 ish years later I'm very happy they can compete now. Great time for American muscle right now. But bmw has nothing to be ashamed of.

[RM7]

Originally Posted by kprocivic

It sounds like the car will be a performance bargain no doubt. But comparing to the m pedigree um nah. Let's be real, Chevy was making the iroc when the e30 m3 was rolling the streets no competition there. 30 ish years later I'm very happy they can compete now. Great time for American muscle right now. But bmw has nothing to be ashamed of.

And that's the biggest misconception, that these are "muscle cars" and only good in the straight line.

[G8rGrl]

Chevy is rolling out Daytona International Speedway vehicle delivery: take delivery of your car there and whip it around the track. Like a less-technical version of the BMW PCD option. Fun! http://media.chevrolet.com/media/us/...8-daytona.html

[kprocivic]

Originally Posted by JamesNoBrakes

And that's the biggest misconception, that these are "muscle cars" and only good in the straight line.

nope not anymore, like I said great time in history for american muscle.

[Mr Friese]

Awesome car, but like someone else said, the looks definitely cater to a certain demographic. I'm just not sure I could own one due to that fact. All else aside, you can't argue with the performance and value.

[BwoodBMW]

New SS is sweet... still not in love with the interior but it is somewhere between 1000 and 10000000000 million times better than the old interior

The visibility is an issue but having just had a new non-ss rental camaro for a few days I actually did get used to driving it.

No doubt it would be a fun car to own

[3tekcorps]

I did some track days with a guy who has a ZL1 and it could really get around the track. It's better around the corners than we all want to admit.

I'd never buy one though.

[UglyBuzzard]

Very hard to get in and out of.

[wjones14]

Originally Posted by UglyBuzzard

Very hard to get in and out of.

I have a friend who invited me to a private event at Palmer Motorsports Park (MA) in August 2015. This friend owns a 2005 Ferrari Superamerica. He "made" me sit in the driver's seat to see what it felt like.

Like the Camaro, it was hard to get in and out of, and the visibility was terrible. So what?

I only got one shot of it with my car in the same picture, and it's not the greatest picture, but the red car behind mine is indeed the 2005 Ferrari Superamerica.

[wjones14]

The Motor Trend Camaro 2SS versus BMW M4 Comparison is up on their website. Head 2 Head video to follow soon, but you can read the article now.

Most ironic part of the comparison for me: All the objective tests were decided by razor thin margins. Except for the braking test, which the Camaro easily won. The ironic part is that the M4 had the $8150 carbon-ceramic brake option (plus another $1200 for the mandatory wheels that go with them).
I'm not making that up...

http://www.motortrend.com/news/compa...let-camaro-ss/

[RM7]

Originally Posted by wjones14

The Motor Trend Camaro 2SS versus BMW M4 Comparison is up on their website. Head 2 Head video to follow soon, but you can read the article now.

Most ironic part of the comparison for me: All the objective tests were decided by razor thin margins. Except for the braking test, which the Camaro easily won. The ironic part is that the M4 had the $8150 carbon-ceramic brake option (plus another $1200 for the mandatory wheels that go with them).
I'm not making that up...

http://www.motortrend.com/news/compa...let-camaro-ss/

And that's not even the 1LE

[Vocans]

Originally Posted by wjones14

The Motor Trend Camaro 2SS versus BMW M4 Comparison is up on their website. Head 2 Head video to follow soon, but you can read the article now.

Most ironic part of the comparison for me: All the objective tests were decided by razor thin margins. Except for the braking test, which the Camaro easily won. The ironic part is that the M4 had the $8150 carbon-ceramic brake option (plus another $1200 for the mandatory wheels that go with them).
I'm not making that up...

http://www.motortrend.com/news/compa...let-camaro-ss/

Carbon ceramic brakes have little to nothing to do with stopping power, it's all about heat dissipation and being able to perform on the track lap after lap. I honestly wish BMW would stop sending out test cars equipped with CCB's because it only leads to reviewers bitching about the as tested price.

[Sedoy]

I noticed that Camaro had crappy tires + wheels combo: heavy 20” wheels with Goodyear Runflats, I sure with forged wheels and non-runflat tires (like tested M4) it should have been even better. I still can't believe it matched M4, which had better wheels/tires setup plus all of that famous carbon fiber stuff, great job Chevy!

[wjones14]

Originally Posted by Vocans

Carbon ceramic brakes have little to nothing to do with stopping power, it's all about heat dissipation and being able to perform on the track lap after lap. I honestly wish BMW would stop sending out test cars equipped with CCB's because it only leads to reviewers bitching about the as tested price.

Do you think those brakes are worth $9250?

[Never_Enough]

Originally Posted by Mr Friese

Awesome car, but like someone else said, the looks definitely cater to a certain demographic. I'm just not sure I could own one due to that fact. All else aside, you can't argue with the performance and value.

So you're worried about what other people think?

[RM7]

Originally Posted by Vocans

Carbon ceramic brakes have little to nothing to do with stopping power, it's all about heat dissipation and being able to perform on the track lap after lap. I honestly wish BMW would stop sending out test cars equipped with CCB's because it only leads to reviewers bitching about the as tested price.

So brakes don't need to be able to stop you as well when it's cold? I'd think brakes were one of those things that kind of needs to work everywhere/all the time. No doubt carbon/ceramic can be better on the track, key word "can", doesn't mean the execution will guarantee that, it's not an end-all-be-all. The big beefy brembo calipers and rotors on my C5 camaro were far away superior than the M sport brakes I have now. You get a lot more for your money there IMO.

[Vocans]

Originally Posted by wjones14

Do you think those brakes are worth $9250?

For 99% of M drivers? No. If you spend a lot of time at the track then I think they're an option that should be heavily considered.

Originally Posted by JamesNoBrakes

So brakes don't need to be able to stop you as well when it's cold? I'd think brakes were one of those things that kind of needs to work everywhere/all the time. No doubt carbon/ceramic can be better on the track, key word "can", doesn't mean the execution will guarantee that, it's not an end-all-be-all. The big beefy brembo calipers and rotors on my C5 camaro were far away superior than the M sport brakes I have now. You get a lot more for your money there IMO.

Steel brakes and CCB's on the M3/M4 should be equally effective in stopping the car when it's cold. I was referring to the ability for CCB's to still be effective lap after lap on the track due to their ability to dissipate heat.

[Apex Everything]

My current car was between a 2016 Camaro SS and an E92 M3.

I chose E92 M3, because it will hold higher value easier. If I checked boxes on the Camaro SS near $40k. When it comes time to trade it in it will be worth the low $20k's.

[RM7]

Originally Posted by Apex Everything

My current car was between a 2016 Camaro SS and an E92 M3.

I chose E92 M3, because it will hold higher value easier. If I checked boxes on the Camaro SS near $40k. When it comes time to trade it in it will be worth the low $20k's.

I sold my old SS for 24.5K last year, 2010 model. Those weren't quite as expensive as the newer models, but close. I don't think my F36 is going to hold much more value. All in all, this is the last thing I worry about when buying a car, you only live once and might as well drive the car you want to drive.