Pontiac coined "The Ultimate Driving Machine" not BMW

[Mywifes335]

Originally Posted by CntryClub007

It's a great strategic marketing commercial, because at that point you aren't trying to sell a GT350/R, you are putting the brand FORD out there, which will bring in other people.

Exactly. Creating an aspirational product - something that evokes a kid to want to put a poster of that GT350R on his wall.

[williewonkerz]

Originally Posted by Mywifes335

Too bad Pontiac never consistently made an ultimate anything. The G8 and GTO were just starting to make Pontiac good and GM killed the brand.

For all you (including some guy from FL) whom think the old 60s-70s GTOs and Firebird/TransAms drive well. Try driving them again. They don't stop, turn, or even go that fast in a straight line stock. Last year I had the rare opportunity to test a survivor 1970 GTO 400. It was great when it didn't move. On the road it was just horrible.

Edit: apparently the above comment offended some assface. I do not retract my anecdote but revised the intro.

Thanks for the "Appreciates", fellas.

It's like you stole my brain.....

[Mywifes335]

Originally Posted by williewonkerz

It's like you stole my brain.....

[IS3andME]

Originally Posted by Alpine F31

I just found out that prior to being the head man at GM, Bob Lutz used to work for BMW in the early 70's. He brought "The Ultimate Driving Machine" with him from Pontiac, who did not trade mark the phrase. I find this fascinating!

And Ford helped give birth to BMW's M Division
http://jalopnik.com/the-unlikely-sto...w-m-1756927547

[CRtoE92]

I am taking my license plate off now

[StatenEye]

Originally Posted by MiamiFan13

And your point is??? Cars from that era were either fast in a straight line or much slower, but nimble.... almost none were ever both.

I don't really know you, so I'll stop short of calling you naïve.

This is one of my pet peeves - when someone says "no offense" or 'I'll stop short of saying" and the says something offensive. In the end, you called him naive.

That being said; I have an uncle that has owned may classic American muscle cars and with exception of the 197X Corvette Stingray, I was thoroughly underwhelmed with most first rides. The GTO was no exception and was one of the more "boaty" feeling cars.

I know exactly what Mywifes335 is saying and I agree.

To add I have driven in cars from that era that were both faster and handled like a car. The corvette being one of them, I was also lucky enough to drive a Ferrari Dino. It was a very short drive but it was enough to get a feel for th steering and drivetrain.

[Mywifes335]

Originally Posted by StatenEye

This is one of my pet peeves - when someone says "no offense" or 'I'll stop short of saying" and the says something offensive. In the end, you called him naive.

That being said; I have an uncle that has owned may classic American muscle cars and with exception of the 197X Corvette Stingray, I was thoroughly underwhelmed with most first rides. The GTO was no exception and was one of the more "boaty" feeling cars.

I know exactly what Mywifes335 is saying and I agree.

To add I have driven in cars from that era that were both faster and handled like a car. The corvette being one of them, I was also lucky enough to drive a Ferrari Dino. It was a very short drive but it was enough to get a feel for th steering and drivetrain.

Thanks man. Always loved the Dino but never even seen one in person. Prices are getting up there for them now I believe.

[StatenEye]

BMW used Saturn for some design cues.

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[Mywifes335]

Originally Posted by StatenEye

BMW used Saturn for some design cues.

http://saturnfans3.saturnfans.com/~s...ad.php?t=16125

Lol. He said "Saturn".

[Cooltones]

"The Ultimate Driving Machine" phrase was not created by BMW?!?!? Next thing you're going to tell me is that German diesel vehicles aren't really as clean as they claim to be...

[IS3andME]

Originally Posted by StatenEye

This is one of my pet peeves - when someone says "no offense" or 'I'll stop short of saying" and the says something offensive. In the end, you called him naive.

That being said; I have an uncle that has owned may classic American muscle cars and with exception of the 197X Corvette Stingray, I was thoroughly underwhelmed with most first rides. The GTO was no exception and was one of the more "boaty" feeling cars.

I know exactly what Mywifes335 is saying and I agree.

To add I have driven in cars from that era that were both faster and handled like a car. The corvette being one of them, I was also lucky enough to drive a Ferrari Dino. It was a very short drive but it was enough to get a feel for th steering and drivetrain.

GTO was a muscle car. Muscle cars don't handle. Muscle cars go straight and make loud sounds (GTO "Humbler" option). Basically engine tech outdistanced, tire and suspension.

The Corvette is, was, and always has been a sports car. Which is different from the Muscle Car.

[StatenEye]

Originally Posted by CRtoE92

I am taking my license plate off now

Soiling the good name of Pontiac by associating their motto with the lowly m4. Blasphemy, off with his head I say. Whats next copy the Pontiac grills? Oh wait already done...

[Mywifes335]

Originally Posted by StatenEye

Soiling the good name of Pontiac by associating their motto with the lowly m4. Blasphemy, off with his head I say. Whats next copy the Pontiac grills? Oh wait already done...

Gotta love when the kidneys went Grand Am.

[StatenEye]

Originally Posted by IS3andME

GTO was a muscle car. Muscle cars don't handle. Muscle cars go straight and make loud sounds (GTO "Humbler" option). Basically engine tech outdistanced, tire and suspension.

The Corvette is, was, and always has been a sports car. Which is different from the Muscle Car.

Eh I don't buy it. Is the Mustang a muscle or sports car. It did/does both well, isn't that why Carol Shelby used it as the base for the 67 GT500 and GT350. So i guess we'll call that a sports muscle car?

Anyway, Isolating a car to a specific category is just a way excuse a bad idea and engineering otherwise they would never have ceased production. For me there's 2 categories: cars built to go fast and cars not built to go fast. Why buy a car built to go fast thats slower than other cars available? Cuda, Charger Mach 1, Vette, were all faster no? I don't get the GTO. I don't know enough about it but I'm assuming the GTO Judge was in limited production hence why it's revered with such blind love. I prefer all the aforementioned cars even when it comes to looks, but of course that's subjective I'm sure plenty disagree. It was a cool car but for me it no where near the top muscle car.

[MattBianco]

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[M2 Pilot]

Originally Posted by ArchiProf

I owned a 1966 GTO. 389, Tri-Power, 4-Speed, and 3.9 posi rear gearing. It would lay down two strips of rubber with ease and "chirp" the "wide oval" tires up through the gears. It was a straight line terror for its time.

Sounds just like the one I owned. It was baddass for its time. I thoroughly enjoyed mine. My next car was a '71 2002. It too was badass for its time. I thoroughly enjoyed it too. Obviously very different cars. I'm on my 3rd 2002 now although the one I have now is probably even more of straight line terror than the Goat was, plus it handles & stops.

[misterjim]

Originally Posted by Mywifes335

Ever notice there are hardly any good car commercials anymore? Especially American car Marques that actually try to SELL or HIGHLIGHT performance?

Wouldn't you like to see a Mustang GT350 carving up canyon roads and doing a burnout?

I would.

This was a great commercial for the C6 corvette back in 2005. Unfortunately, it didn't run very long before it got pulled.

[Mywifes335]

Originally Posted by misterjim

This was a great commercial for the C6 corvette back in 2005. Unfortunately, it didn't run very long before it got pulled.

Pretty awesome. Nice touch at the end.

How about this?

Full of 80s corniness but...man, that GN...

[DCG]

You mean Bob Putz!

"The Ultimate POS"

[fecurtis]

Originally Posted by CRtoE92

I am taking my license plate off now

Give it to someone in a Pontiac G4. They deserve it more than you do.

[rcoccultwar]

Originally Posted by Mywifes335

Pretty awesome. Nice touch at the end.

How about this?

Full of 80s corniness but...man, that GN...

They should remake the GN. Nissan called off the IDX so a new GN could be similar. Maybe it ought be called the Pontiac Demon as haven't heard of the Dodge Demon concept in a while.

[Mywifes335]

Originally Posted by rcoccultwar

They should remake the GN. Nissan called off the IDX so a new GN could be similar. Maybe it ought be called the Pontiac Demon as haven't heard of the Dodge Demon concept in a while.

I wish. My wife still can't get it right. Every time we pass a Cutlass, Gran Prix or Monte Carlo on the road she says, "there's that hideous car you like..."

I give her a pass on Regals.