Still want an EV?

[XutvJet]

Originally Posted by Weather Man

Since when has the party that is ramming EV's and all things Green down our throats EVER done any debating, listening or compromise? The people in the D party vote as a monolithic block for the PARTY, not the people they represent. And you're shocked at the pushback,

I don't align myself with any party, but what you are saying is exactly what the R party does too. Do you not see that? Until people can debate civilly and listen, there is no hope to right the ship when it comes to politics, EV matters, etc.

[XutvJet]

Originally Posted by Efthreeoh

I think series hybrids are the answer. Much smaller batteries. But the engine has to be reimagined using different materials, different cylinder designs and different architecture. Bump ICE to 60% or higher efficiency, driving a generator and using a battery for surge and regen braking. That's the EV I'll buy.

EVs have a place. Hybrids have a place. ICE has a place. Fuel cell has a place. One size does not fit all. Also, there is a ton of efficiency left with ICE. The auto industry was somewhat forced into EVs by government mandates. Toyota is one of the few that didn't go all in with EVs because they thought critically and saw that the EV craze would be short and a bigger EV surge will come much later down the road. I can't say the same for most other automakers, especially the German ones. They all drank the Koolaid and now they'll be F-ed for a while.

[XutvJet]

Originally Posted by gblansten

The easy answer is to not use massive amounts of water for most EV fires. The EV blanket method will be better much of the time. Modern problems require modern solutions.

At a neighborhood party last weekend, a local city battalion chief was there and I picked his brain about EVs and fires. He said current guidance to contain an EV car fire is apply ~50K gallons of water. I then asked how much water does their biggest truck hold and he said around 5K gallons. I asked what is the plan for EV fires where a hydrant is not accessible. He said they didn't have a good plan for it. I asked how they managed burned out/smoldering EVs at tow lots and he said that now the city guidance is bury the car. Yeah, you heard that right. They bury the car for 7 days and then unearth. So far they've buried 5 EVs. I've never heard of such a thing. The chief said he envisions rotating vaults where EVs are placed. The EV and an inert media are added to reduce air/voids. The EV is left for a few days and then the vault is rotated to remove the media and the EV is removed. The media is captured and recycled to better managed the toxic residuals. Sounds pricey but probably very realistic.

As an environmental consultant, I know very well the implications of the toxic metals and materials released during an EV fire. Burying them in the ground will create a soil and groundwater contamination issue, especially if the groundwater interval is shallow. Cleaning up metals contamination in GW is expensive. Then there's the contaminated soil or the media that is laced with toxic metals. That stuff would be classified as a hazardous waste. Disposing of hazardous waste is crazy expensive. In most cases, solids laced with toxic metals require burning in a high temp device like a rotary kiln. There aren't many of those type treatment facilities around the country. Maybe like 20.

[Weather Man]

Originally Posted by XutvJet

I don't align myself with any party, but what you are saying is exactly what the R party does too. Do you not see that? Until people can debate civilly and listen, there is no hope to right the ship when it comes to politics, EV matters, etc.

There is only one party ramming through EV mandates.

[Weather Man]

Originally Posted by XutvJet

At a neighborhood party last weekend, a local city battalion chief was there and I picked his brain about EVs and fires. He said current guidance to contain an EV car fire is apply ~50K gallons of water. I then asked how much water does their biggest truck hold and he said around 5K gallons. I asked what is the plan for EV fires where a hydrant is not accessible. He said they didn't have a good plan for it. I asked how they managed burned out/smoldering EVs at tow lots and he said that now the city guidance is bury the car. Yeah, you heard that right. They bury the car for 7 days and then unearth. So far they've buried 5 EVs. I've never heard of such a thing. The chief said he envisions rotating vaults where EVs are placed. The EV and an inert media are added to reduce air/voids. The EV is left for a few days and then the vault is rotated to remove the media and the EV is removed. The media is captured and recycled to better managed the toxic residuals. Sounds pricey but probably very realistic.

As an environmental consultant, I know very well the implications of the toxic metals and materials released during an EV fire. Burying them in the ground will create a soil and groundwater contamination issue, especially if the groundwater interval is shallow. Cleaning up metals contamination in GW is expensive. Then there's the contaminated soil or the media that is laced with toxic metals. That stuff would be classified as a hazardous waste. Disposing of hazardous waste is crazy expensive. In most cases, solids laced with toxic metals require burning in a high temp device like a rotary kiln. There aren't many of those type treatment facilities around the country. Maybe like 20.

How are EV insurance rates even possible? ICE owners have to be subsidizing EV owners.

[S EyeLand]

Originally Posted by Weather Man

How are EV insurance rates even possible? ICE owners have to be subsidizing EV owners.

We're subsidizing all types of crap unfortunately. Higher premiums, tax rates... the list goes on. Penalty for working hard, being responsible and diligent. We get to carry the lazy melon heads.

[murderspice]

This thread is actually only like 10 pages if you mute 3 certain people.

[Weather Man]

1 Year depreciation leaders.

[Efthreeoh]

Originally Posted by XutvJet

EVs have a place. Hybrids have a place. ICE has a place. Fuel cell has a place. One size does not fit all. Also, there is a ton of efficiency left with ICE. The auto industry was somewhat forced into EVs by government mandates. Toyota is one of the few that didn't go all in with EVs because they thought critically and saw that the EV craze would be short and a bigger EV surge will come much later down the road. I can't say the same for most other automakers, especially the German ones. They all drank the Koolaid and now they'll be F-ed for a while.

Guess who specifies the Kool-Aid, and ONLY Kool-Aid...

[kyriian]

Tesla Q1 delivery miss:

https://www.reuters.com/business/aut...ns-2024-04-02/

Meanwhile at 'Dinosaur' Toyota:

https://www.reuters.com/business/autos-transportation/toyota-reports-20-jump-first-quarter-us-auto-sales-2024-04-02/

[Car-Addicted]

Originally Posted by XutvJet

Sometimes it's just better to keep your mouth shut when it comes to politics, especially when you're famous and are running a business. So many CEOs and the like have been destroyed in the last 5 years because they became way too vocal politically. Michael Lindell (My Pillow CEO) may take the win though

What you say is true but only one way. It is a very rare situation that anyone on the left pays a price for their stated positions. Now if you challenge the orthodoxy of the left you are deplatformed, fired or boycotted. Simply Saul Alinsky's Rules for Radicals in practice.

[Car-Addicted]

Biden’s EPA can justify his new EV rules only by cooking the books
04/02/24
The new Environmental Protection Agency rule forcing a massive shift toward electric vehicles is no exception. Weighing in at 1,181 pages, it is accompanied by an additional 884 pages of “regulatory impact analysis.”
The reason for that failure is obvious: The answer would be embarrassing. If we apply EPA’s own climate model, with assumptions that exaggerate the climate effects of reductions in GHG emissions, the rule would reduce global temperatures in 2100 by 0.0068 degrees Celsius — an effect far too small to be detectable.
Yet somehow, EPA claims that the rule will yield “climate benefits” of $1.6 trillion. How is that possible for a near-zero effect on temperatures?
The Bozo “whole of government” climate agenda is the opposite: It excludes Congress, ignores the crucial tradeoffs, and represents a fundamental threat to the constitutional separation of powers and the consent of the governed.
https://thehill.com/opinion/energy-e...y-by-cheating/

When reality news gets published in The Hill, the Bozo EPA is in trouble.

[dreamingat30fps]

Originally Posted by murderspice

This thread is actually only like 10 pages if you mute 3 certain people.

This whole thread reminds me of the crazy homeless people who stand on the street corner arguing with themselves. But hey if it keeps them off the street corner then have at it I say.

[murderspice]

Originally Posted by dreamingat30fps

This whole thread reminds me of the crazy homeless people who stand on the street corner arguing with themselves. But hey if it keeps them off the street corner then have at it I say.

More like the internet equivalent of a nazi bar. Gblasten fighting the good fight though.

[gonzo]

Originally Posted by murderspice

More like the internet equivalent of a nazi bar. Gblasten fighting the good fight though.

And there it is.

Quoted.

[Car-Addicted]

Originally Posted by murderspice

More like the internet equivalent of a nazi bar. Gblasten fighting the good fight though.

So you lack the ability to have constructive discourse on these very important topics so you go for the person insult. When your positions are indefensible the only way is to obfuscate and insult. gblansten is at least honest on what he wants from his EV. Here's a tip, stop visiting this this tread or mute everyone you are not in agreement with. No one will be surprised or miss your insults.

[Car-Addicted]

No Grift here, Nothing to see here.
Troubled EV Startup CEO's Private Jet Expenses Swallow Twice The Company's Revenue
Canoo Inc. (NASDAQ:GOEV) has reportedly spent more than double its annual revenue on the private jet expenses of its CEO, Tony Aquila, in 2023.
What Happened: The electric vehicle (EV) startup’s 2023 earnings report, released on Monday, revealed a significant disparity between its spending and revenue, TechCrunch reported. The report also highlighted the company’s ongoing financial struggles.
Canoo’s revenue for 2023 was $886,000, a substantial increase from the previous year’s zero. This was attributed to delivering 22 vehicles to clients such as NASA and the state of Oklahoma.
Despite these improvements, the company’s spending habits, particularly on Aquila’s private jet, have raised concerns. In 2023, Canoo spent $1.7 million to reimburse Aquila Family Ventures, the CEO’s entity, for using the aircraft. This amount is double the company’s total revenue for the year.

[gonzo]

Gblan is cool. Better yet, witty.

Some of the others...meh. Pretty flat and leaves me yearning for more.
Lllmmmaaaooo was entertaining.

NAziS...I thought that got played out like 16 months ago.
THOSE SQUIRRELS ARE NAziS!!!
Like it was yesterday.

[Car-Addicted]

Audi Sees More Battery Recalls, Porsche Likewise Impacted
April 2nd, 2024
Audi's all-electric e-tron subbrand continues suffering from battery issues, with the company recently issuing a recall for the GT sedan and its zestier RS variant. The issue is that the high-voltage batteries equipped to the models might short circuit, posing a fire risk to owners and whatever they've parked their EV next to. The recall report stipulates that Porsche warned Audi of the possibility of "thermal events" after realizing that some Taycan models were suffering from battery defects.
This has also resulted in battery issues due to the fact that an electric vehicle's state of charge and how it regulates charging is handled by the computer. In the past, we've seen automakers tweak an EV's code via over-the-air updates to expand its range or mitigate charging when there's a problem. While the practice opens a gigantic can of worms in regard to who actually is in control of the second most expensive thing you've ever bought, it likewise showcases just how much damage some bad software can do to modern automobiles.
Porsche and Audi seem to be suffering from both mechanical and software defects and opted to split their recalls into two groups. The first group doesn't have a solution, hence the company suggesting customers don't fully charge their vehicles as a safety precaution. It is supposed to affect an extremely small number of the total involved in the recall. For Audi, that was said to be about 1 percent of 1,013 units.
All impacted models appear to stem from the 2022-2023 model years with the defect appearing quite similar to the e-tron SUV recall from December. In that recall, the EVs were likewise using batteries manufactured by LG Energy Solution and were similarly at risk of thermal runaway.
https://www.thetruthaboutcars.com/ca...acted-44506084

[murderspice]

Originally Posted by gonzo

And there it is.

Quoted.

4 people.

[gonzo]

^
Doesn't matter if I'm one of those four.
Doesn't matter if it was only one.
Doesn't matter if it was 61.

Nazi is repulsive and completely uncalled for. Not to mention totally unreasonable regarding the content being discussed.

[XutvJet]

Originally Posted by Car-Addicted

What you say is true but only one way. It is a very rare situation that anyone on the left pays a price for their stated positions. Now if you challenge the orthodoxy of the left you are deplatformed, fired or boycotted. Simply Saul Alinsky's Rules for Radicals in practice.

Oh, the Right has never been a group to fire, boycott, etc. Never. LOL.

Both parties suck and the same for anyone that blindly follows them and goes along with them no matter what. This hardline party thinking has worked out so well in history. Blame everything on someone else, the other party, etc. Sad.