Run flat/No run flat

[Tfarizona]

Hi forum members,
I am the owner of a 2022 X3 2WD X3 that needs new tires. I currently have the original Pirelli P7 run flats that have 21000 miles and are at 2mm tread depth.
I believe that I would prefer non run flat tires with a longer thread life and add a small compressor to the vehicle. Most driving is local and I have BMW roadside assistance if a sidewall is punctured.
Limited research has led me to Michelin Cross climate 2 which alleges a 60,000 mile tread life. Pricing from my local Discount tire shop would be $1634 installed with warranty certificates.
Have any members used these tires? What is your opinion? What alternatives should I consider? What portable compressors should I be looking at?
Thanks for your opinions.

[Raimo5]

Runflats suck. You will get much more compliant and smoother ride with regular tires. And your suspension will last longer.

Do you need all-season tires in Arizona? If not, go with summer tires for best performance.

[ppointer]

I am a huge Michelin fan for cars, SUVs and motorcycles. However, I have no experience with the Cross Climate. I do have plenty of experience with the A/S 3s and 4s, Pilot Sport, as well as the Latitude. If I had an X3 sDrive, I would probably go with the Latitude for the extended tread life over the A/S 4. On my cars, I primarily run the A/S 4.

I ALWAYS get rid of the run flats when I purchase a car with them installed. Instead of a portable compressor, I make certain my AAA platinum card is up to date.

[MJBO]

Originally Posted by Raimo5

And your suspension will last longer.

Lol.

I was happy for my wife's G01 X3 to have run flats, I don't want her stranded on the side of the road waiting for help when she can just drive home and then sort it out.

Having had three flats on my M3T in the past year, it's a freaking pain.

Just something to consider.

[jkoral]

Originally Posted by Tfarizona

I am the owner of a 2022 X3 2WD X3 that needs new tires. I currently have the original Pirelli P7 run flats that have 21000 miles and are at 2mm tread depth.
I believe that I would prefer non run flat tires with a longer thread life and add a small compressor to the vehicle. Most driving is local and I have BMW roadside assistance if a sidewall is punctured.

I have a 2022 X3 xDrive30i with the same Pirelli P7 run flats. I've worn through 2 sets at about 25K miles each.

Rather than buy a 3rd set I switched to a non-run flat Pirelli P Zero all season. It's been years since we've had a flat and we have AAA Plus.

Instead of shopping for longer tread life, I shopped for lower cost. Got the P Zeros on closeout for $170 each, where as TireRack charges $310 for the P7.

My wife immediately noticed the softer ride with the non-runflats.

FWIW, dealer charges $2100 for the P7s installed. I used a mobile tire installer that comes to your house and he still charged my $1800 for the Star Spec P7. The P Zeros cost me a total of $800 installed.

[DanG]

I am running Cross Climate 2s on my wife’s Mazda CX-5. They have been great. My brother-in-law runs Cross Climate SUVs on his X5. He has loved getting rid of the run flats.

I would go for it.

[zx10guy]

I have Cross Climate 2s on my C-HR daily driver. Just put on my second set. The first set lasted 100,000 miles. You read that right and it's not a typo. In general the tires have been great. I've driven with them through the snow with no issues. I do agree with the pro reviews that the wet weather performance could be a bit better. But I tend to drive a bit more "spirited".

As far as a portable air compressor, I got the official BMW one from ECS Tuning which has the air compressor and the tire sealant in one package.

[BeEmVe]

We tossed the run flats, bought a jack kit, run four summer slicks, and four winter shoes. When we go long we toss a tire in the boot for a spare.

[John H.]

Non-RFTs are the way to go. Better selection, performance, and value. As other members have suggested, carry a repair kit and/or spare. Teach all that drive the vehicle on how to change a tire. It is nice to have AAA and/or BMW RA but do not fully depend on them. Cheers!

[IanH]

The crossclimate 2 is an elite all weather tire and I love them on my family SUV

[Mavus]

If you are in Arizona another option I’d consider is Conti dws06+

[IanH]

Originally Posted by Mavus

If you are in Arizona another option I’d consider is Conti dws06+

Pretty sure someone is Arizona looking at winter rated tires either driving to the rockies or lives in flagstaff.

Dws06, despite their name, are only passable for low speed snow driving in the first 10k miles of wear.

[Mavus]

Originally Posted by IanH

Pretty sure someone is Arizona looking at winter rated tires either driving to the rockies or lives in flagstaff.

Dws06, despite their name, are only passable for low speed snow driving in the first 10k miles of wear.

right 06+ is a 3 season tire really but he is looking at all seasons and are not snow tires that’s why I mentioned it. For mountains I’d put on snows.

[RockCrusher]

Originally Posted by Tfarizona

Hi forum members,
I am the owner of a 2022 X3 2WD X3 that needs new tires. I currently have the original Pirelli P7 run flats that have 21000 miles and are at 2mm tread depth.
I believe that I would prefer non run flat tires with a longer thread life and add a small compressor to the vehicle. Most driving is local and I have BMW roadside assistance if a sidewall is punctured.
Limited research has led me to Michelin Cross climate 2 which alleges a 60,000 mile tread life. Pricing from my local Discount tire shop would be $1634 installed with warranty certificates.
Have any members used these tires? What is your opinion? What alternatives should I consider? What portable compressors should I be looking at?
Thanks for your opinions.

Just bought this tire inflator:

https://www.astroai.com/handheld-air...ow/ap/10002249

I second what has been suggested about carrying tire sealant. If you buy a compressor to carry in the car you probably should carry tire sealant and a tool to remove the valve stem valve so you can add sealant via the tire stem.

(My Dodge Hellcat came from the factory with a tire repair kit: compressor and sealant; which I had to use once. Worked very well. As per directions I left the engine running when I was using the compressor.)

Added pic.

As for the Michelin Cross Climate 2 tires I have no experience with them. I have run Michelin tires (an all season tire the tire model escapes my memory) on a VW Golf TDi and the tires were rather awesome. I have run Michelin high performance tires quite a bit and they are awesome tires. (My M2 has a set of Michelin high performance tires.)

But I have had several cars -- a 2024 BMW 230ix, a 2024 MINI JCW, a 2022 BMW 230i, and a 2018 MINI JCW -- all with run flats (Pirelli) and the run flat tires on the 1st 3 cars listed above were noticeably better than my first run flat tires (Pirelli) on my 2018 MINI JCW.

With my first JCW while I was not that happy with the run flats I couldn't just throw otherwise good tires away so I drove the car. Then at around 15K miles hit a pothole which next day had the right front tire flat. But being a run flat I drove the car 10 miles to the nearest dealer and had the bad tire replaced. I loved run flats after that. This car was my daily driver -- 60 mile a day work commute -- and I liked the peace of mind the run flat tires gave me in the event of a flat tire I could at least drive to an exit and get off the freeway.

I never drove any car with run flats enough miles to wear the tires out so I don't know what tire life I would have gotten.

[zx10guy]

One thing I want to add. As much as I love the Cross Climate 2s, I'm intrigued with the recent test done by Tyre Reviews. He said the Pirelli Cinturato SF3 is the best all around tire beating out the Cross Climate 2s. When I had to replace the worn Cross Climate 2s I have on my daily beater, I was seriously contemplating switching over to the Pirellis. But decided to stick with the Cross Climates as I was getting a decent deal at my club warehouse place and am not sure if the Pirellis would give me the same 100k mile tire life I got from the Cross Climates.

[zx10guy]

Originally Posted by RockCrusher

Just bought this tire inflator:

https://www.astroai.com/handheld-air...ow/ap/10002249

I second what has been suggested about carrying tire sealant. If you buy a compressor to carry in the car you probably should carry tire sealant and a tool to remove the valve stem valve so you can add sealant via the tire stem.

(My Dodge Hellcat came from the factory with a tire repair kit: compressor and sealant; which I had to use once. Worked very well. As per directions I left the engine running when I was using the compressor.)

Added pic.

As for the Michelin Cross Climate 2 tires I have no experience with them. I have run Michelin tires (an all season tire the tire model escapes my memory) on a VW Golf TDi and the tires were rather awesome. I have run Michelin high performance tires quite a bit and they are awesome tires. (My M2 has a set of Michelin high performance tires.)

But I have had several cars -- a 2024 BMW 230ix, a 2024 MINI JCW, a 2022 BMW 230i, and a 2018 MINI JCW -- all with run flats (Pirelli) and the run flat tires on the 1st 3 cars listed above were noticeably better than my first run flat tires (Pirelli) on my 2018 MINI JCW.

With my first JCW while I was not that happy with the run flats I couldn't just throw otherwise good tires away so I drove the car. Then at around 15K miles hit a pothole which next day had the right front tire flat. But being a run flat I drove the car 10 miles to the nearest dealer and had the bad tire replaced. I loved run flats after that. This car was my daily driver -- 60 mile a day work commute -- and I liked the peace of mind the run flat tires gave me in the event of a flat tire I could at least drive to an exit and get off the freeway.

I never drove any car with run flats enough miles to wear the tires out so I don't know what tire life I would have gotten.

FYI, the official BMW inflator/tire sealant kit has the sealant integral with the air compressor. When you want to send sealant into the tire, there's a valve you turn to activate the sealant through the same air hose used to inflate the tire.

[RockCrusher]

Originally Posted by zx10guy

FYI, the official BMW inflator/tire sealant kit has the sealant integral with the air compressor. When you want to send sealant into the tire, there's a valve you turn to activate the sealant through the same air hose used to inflate the tire.

Yes, I would certainly go with the BMW kit as you describe it. My Hellcat kit had the sealant canister as part of the air pump (see pic of inflator in previous post) and because of this the kit was easy to use.

[IanH]

Originally Posted by zx10guy

One thing I want to add. As much as I love the Cross Climate 2s, I'm intrigued with the recent test done by Tyre Reviews. He said the Pirelli Cinturato SF3 is the best all around tire beating out the Cross Climate 2s. When I had to replace the worn Cross Climate 2s I have on my daily beater, I was seriously contemplating switching over to the Pirellis. But decided to stick with the Cross Climates as I was getting a decent deal at my club warehouse place and am not sure if the Pirellis would give me the same 100k mile tire life I got from the Cross Climates.

I have the cinturato weatheractives in my garage for my incoming car. My brother has the scorpion weatheractives and loves them.

I am not sure if the sf3 is different, it is not currently available in the US and I inquired about when they might come here and got no expected launch

[zx10guy]

Originally Posted by IanH

I have the cinturato weatheractives in my garage for my incoming car. My brother has the scorpion weatheractives and loves them.

I am not sure if the sf3 is different, it is not currently available in the US and I inquired about when they might come here and got no expected launch

Thanks for the heads up on the SF3. I just assumed they were already available here in the US.

[IanH]

Originally Posted by zx10guy

Thanks for the heads up on the SF3. I just assumed they were already available here in the US.

My theory is that the tire manufacturers are slow rolling the deployment of 4 season product lines, as they need to ready the supply chains for the shift in market share.

CC2 are proving in my mind that nobody needs a true winter tire anymore with this huge innovation. Some may still be stubborn but as a long time winter tire user, I feel no need to look back.

[zx10guy]

Originally Posted by IanH

My theory is that the tire manufacturers are slow rolling the deployment of 4 season product lines, as they need to ready the supply chains for the shift in market share.

CC2 are proving in my mind that nobody needs a true winter tire anymore with this huge innovation. Some may still be stubborn but as a long time winter tire user, I feel no need to look back.

That's exactly right. When I got my daily beater, I was intending on buying another set of steel wheels with winter tires on them. And swap them as I do with my 1er when Winter arrives. But I scrapped that whole idea when I saw the test results of the CC2s when they first came out; reinforced by my own personal experience. But I wish the CC2s are a bit better in the wet. I'm spoiled by the Pilot Sport 4S' I have on my 1'er.

For my 1'er, I have the aforementioned 4S' on it pretty much year round. If I feel up to it, I put on the Blizzak WS80s I have on a different set of wheels. So I can use the car as a backup in the event my daily beater is out of commission during Winter weather. At some point, I'll have to make a decision as to whether I'll get another set of Winters to replace the WS80s as they'll probably age out in the near future.

[Mavus]

Originally Posted by IanH

My theory is that the tire manufacturers are slow rolling the deployment of 4 season product lines, as they need to ready the supply chains for the shift in market share.

CC2 are proving in my mind that nobody needs a true winter tire anymore with this huge innovation. Some may still be stubborn but as a long time winter tire user, I feel no need to look back.

From Michelin


“Note: While non-winter tires featuring the three-peak mountain snowflake (3PMSF) symbol may provide additional longitudinal snow traction beyond what all-season (M+S) tires not bearing the symbol can deliver, they do not match the capability of a true winter tire in all adverse weather conditions.”