X3M

[Mikail Ali]

Will the x3m comp appreciate in value since it will be replaced with the x3 m50?

[Burrcold]

Doubt it.

[MJBO]

M50 replaces the M40i, not the M.

[Burrcold]

Originally Posted by MJBO

M50 replaces the M40i, not the M.

There won't be a replacement X3M, so the M50 is the highest tier of the X3 now (albeit not a replacement for the X3M, I think that's why he's asking the question).

[DanG]

After a model change it takes one to two years before the M variant is marketed.

[Burrcold]

Originally Posted by DanG

After a model change it takes one to two years before the M variant is marketed.

BMW has reportedly cancelled any plans for a next gen X3M.

[DanG]

Originally Posted by Burrcold

BMW has reportedly cancelled any plans for a next gen X3M.

Hmm. Just read that myself. Kind of a crazy decision.

[imperfectluck]

Was there any explanation or is this a low volume kind of situation that lead to them axing it? I'd imagine that means the X4M is also taking the axe?

[NickyC]

Originally Posted by Mikail Ali

Will the x3m comp appreciate in value since it will be replaced with the x3 m50?

All ///M cars do is lose value, so no.

[Hit_Apex]

Originally Posted by NickyC

All ///M cars do is lose value, so no.

Plenty of evidence to the contrary, but nothing made in the past 20 years (yet).

[avantegardestyle]

Originally Posted by DanG

Hmm. Just read that myself. Kind of a crazy decision.

no, should have never been one in the first place.
BMW is making too many ridiculous M cars/trucks and devaluing what the M division was originally about
Good riddance

[M4Lou]

Those of us who own an X3M =

[BlkGS]

Originally Posted by imperfectluck

Was there any explanation or is this a low volume kind of situation that lead to them axing it? I'd imagine that means the X4M is also taking the axe?

It's most likely a regulation issue, the X4M got poor fuel economy, and the CAFE standard in the US rapidly get completely impossible to meet over the next few years. This doesn't bode well for a next gen M3.

The other likely option is BMW saw how poor the reception of the new X3 was with its ugly styling and cheapninterior, knows it's going to flop hard, and is just cutting investment into it to limit their financial losses

[MJBO]

Originally Posted by imperfectluck

Was there any explanation or is this a low volume kind of situation that lead to them axing it? I'd imagine that means the X4M is also taking the axe?

The X4 as a model is dead.

https://www.motor1.com/news/725491/b...continued/amp/

[BlkGS]

To answer the original question, likely not any time soon. The X3M always was second fiddle to the X5M, and typically the people who will be interested in it as a collector will want to use it as a family car, which is too small for really (by experience). Factor in the M40i existing and M50i coming, and it will likely go the route of X5 4.6is and 4.8is, cool cars with some value to those that are into them, but not really any sort of collector value. They'll continue to depreciate but always be worth that little bit more than an average X3.

[heavyD^2]

Originally Posted by BlkGS

The other likely option is BMW saw how poor the reception of the new X3 was with its ugly styling and cheapninterior, knows it's going to flop hard, and is just cutting investment into it to limit their financial losses

Yeah I'm going to say that's highly, highly, highly unlikely. The X3M and X4M are very niche vehicles and maybe too hardcore for the masses. The M40i scratches the performance itch while serving as a find daily driver for most people and simply made more sense to most buyers looking for a sporty EV. I think they ultimately would have been more successful if BMW implemented something like magneride technology that could have provided a larger ride variance over the X3M settings of firm/firmer/firmest. Coming out of an M2 I could tolerate the ride but it did feel at times like driving an M3 on stilts and people looking at luxury SUV's often expect the option of a comfortable ride.

[BlkGS]

Originally Posted by heavyD^2

Yeah I'm going to say that's highly, highly, highly unlikely. The X3M and X4M are very niche vehicles and maybe too hardcore for the masses. The M40i scratches the performance itch while serving as a find daily driver for most people and simply made more sense to most buyers looking for a sporty EV. I think they ultimately would have been more successful if BMW implemented something like magneride technology that could have provided a larger ride variance over the X3M settings of firm/firmer/firmest. Coming out of an M2 I could tolerate the ride but it did feel at times like driving an M3 on stilts and people looking at luxury SUV's often expect the option of a comfortable ride.

I overall agree, the compromised ride didn't help. The M40i REALLY didn't help, lol. It hits really close to the X3M in performance, without the compromised ride, and better fuel economy. And at a substantial price advantage vs the X3M too.

BMW really should have made the "M Performance" cars the Ms, and the Ms would be "M Competition". Probably could have charged a little more this way lol.

[heavyD^2]

Originally Posted by BlkGS

I overall agree, the compromised ride didn't help. The M40i REALLY didn't help, lol. It hits really close to the X3M in performance, without the compromised ride, and better fuel economy. And at a substantial price advantage vs the X3M too.

BMW really should have made the "M Performance" cars the Ms, and the Ms would be "M Competition". Probably could have charged a little more this way lol.

They probably looked at the performance they are getting out of this new M50 with the 48V mild-hybrid power and assumed few people were going to spend more money for a straight up M version that's not going to be a lot quicker on the street but ride a hell of a lot worse.

[BlkGS]

Originally Posted by heavyD^2

They probably looked at the performance they are getting out of this new M50 with the 48V mild-hybrid power and assumed few people were going to spend more money for a straight up M version that's not going to be a lot quicker on the street but ride a hell of a lot worse.

There was already a fairly small delta between the M Performance and full M models.

Honestly, I think it comes down more to position in the market. People spending the nearly $100k for a well equipped X3MC are probably pretty damn likely to pay slightly more for an X5 M60i with more space, nicer materials, all that.

Add in the extra costs of a next gen model that likely would have added hybrid power, they likely just pushed out of the pricing window for the segment.

[NervoS]

Yes, but not everybody needs or wants more space or bigger vehicles. I'd say X3MC and X5 M60i are two different market niches for different audiences.
For example, I am shopping for a small(er) but still luxury-ish perform-ish SUV and one of th option was X3MC/X4MC. Never even looked at X5, since it is too big for me and we already have one in the household.
I looked into X1/X2 and unfortunately those are not there in terms of performance and luxury level... But I'd get X1/X2 if it was at least on the same level as X3/X4 (G01/02).

[pbonsalb]

Don’t drive it and keep it for 30 years.

[BlkGS]

Originally Posted by NervoS

Yes, but not everybody needs or wants more space or bigger vehicles. I'd say X3MC and X5 M60i are two different market niches for different audiences.
For example, I am shopping for a small(er) but still luxury-ish perform-ish SUV and one of th option was X3MC/X4MC. Never even looked at X5, since it is too big for me and we already have one in the household.
I looked into X1/X2 and unfortunately those are not there in terms of performance and luxury level... But I'd get X1/X2 if it was at least on the same level as X3/X4 (G01/02).

I get it, but the number of people like you is tiny. You put the average person looking to spend 80-100k on the lot, and they have an X3M parked next to an X5 M60i, and they go over how it's just as fast, more spacious, better materials, more capable, rides better, and will probably be cheaper because you can get more discounts because its not a full M, PLUS V8 sounds... Not many people will pick the X3M.